Post by: WildlifeAssassin on September 04, 2015, 03:19:47 PM
Get them in TODAY>
The Army is proposing a Mountain Training Area for helicopters in the North Cascades. They would be flying Black Hawks, Chinooks, and Apaches. They would fly any day or time other than Federal Holidays. From the deck to high altitude. The plan also includes at least 7 landing zones. The general area affected would be around highway 2, north to the Canadian border.
My concerns are them closing public access near their landing zones, increased noise pollution in the mountains and residences in the zone, Disturbance to migratory mule deer and other animals, Crashes and fires, Degrading and polluting pristine mountain ecosystems.
I am curious to hear others opinions and if you have concerns please send an email today.
Read the scoping document: http://www.lewis-mcchord.army.mil/publicworks/docs/envir/EIA/HTA/Scoping%20Document%20Extension%20-%20JBLM%20HTA%20Submittal%203Aug15.pdf
Text of Email:
The Aviation Division within the Directorate of Plans, Training, Mobilization, and Security at Joint Base Lewis-McChord (JBLM) proposes to establish three off-base helicopter training areas and one mountain training area. The U.S. Army is the lead Federal agency for the proposed action. The proposed training areas would support training operations stationed out of JBLM, but would be located off-base within Washington State.
The Army has prepared a scoping document which is intended to provide interested parties the proposed scope of the Environmental Assessment and to seek additional information pertinent to this analysis. If you have any information that would assist us in conducting an accurate and thorough analysis of the project-specific and cumulative effects associated with the proposed project, you are encouraged to submit them during the scoping period, which has been extended through November 3, 2015. The scoping document including project maps, and a comment form are located at:
http://www.lewis-mcchord.army.mil/publicworks/sites/envir/eia.aspx
To submit comments, send an email to usarmy.jblm.imcom.list.dpw-eis@mail.mil
or write to:
DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
DIRECTORATE OF PUBLIC WORKS
ATTN ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION (NEPA)
2012 LIGGETT AVE, BOX 339500 MS 17
JOINT BASE LEWIS-MCCHORD, WA 98433-9500
NOTICE OF PUBLIC SCOPING COMMENT PERIOD EXTENSION
Interested parties are hereby notified that the Aviation Division within the
Directorate of Plans, Training, Mobilization, and Security at Joint Base
Lewis-McChord proposes to establish three off-base helicopter training
areas and one mountain training area. The U.S. Army is the lead Federal
agency for the proposed action. The proposed training areas would support
training operations stationed out of JBLM, but would be located off-base
within Washington State. Training operations would be conducted using
aircraft to include the MH/UH-60 Black Hawk, AH-64 Apache, and MH/CH-47
Chinook. The training areas would be available for use day and night, 24
hours a day, 365 days a year, with the exception of Federal holidays.
The Army has prepared a scoping document which is intended to provide
interested parties the proposed scope of the Environmental Assessment and to
seek additional information pertinent to this analysis. If you have any
information that would assist us in conducting an accurate and thorough
analysis of the project-specific and cumulative effects associated with the
proposed project, you are encouraged to submit them during the scoping
period, which has been extended. The scoping
document including project maps, and a comment form are located at:
http://www.lewis-mcchord.army.mil/publicworks/sites/envir/eia.aspx
Please refer to the attached scoping postcard for more detailed information.
In addition to sending comments via mail, comments may be e-mailed to
usarmy.jblm.imcom.list.dpw-eis@mail.mil
Post by: syoungs on September 04, 2015, 03:50:46 PM
Post by: syoungs on September 04, 2015, 05:50:13 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on September 04, 2015, 06:13:49 PM
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on September 04, 2015, 07:07:18 PM
webpage says comments must be in by November 3rd :dunno:
The Email had two different dates, now that i reread it you are correct. That is good to hear. :tup:
Post by: bearpaw on September 04, 2015, 07:40:14 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 04, 2015, 08:26:45 PM
We have BIG jets fly over our house all the time and I love it....
You'll get used to the sound of freedom.....
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 04, 2015, 08:29:03 PM
Post by: Bango skank on September 04, 2015, 08:32:49 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on September 04, 2015, 08:48:05 PM
Post by: WildlifeAssassin on September 04, 2015, 09:07:58 PM
Pilots from Fairchild Airforce base fly up in my area often. I've watched deer and other wildlife when aircraft are flying and I don't think they are bothered much. The airforce trains survival school east of us and there are servicemen in that area all times of the year, all over the mountains, yet it's great hunting in that area. I honestly don't think most wildlife will be affected much.
Its not so much the fly overs that worry me its the 7 helipads where landings will take place. The survival school you mention is closed to hunting.
See Page 89 of the hunting pamphlet:
Parker Lake (GMU 117) (Pend Oreille Co.):
All lands south of Ruby Creek Road (USFS
Road 2489), north of Tacoma Creek Road
(USFS Road 2389), and west of Bonneville
Power Administration power lines are
designated as "CLOSED AREA" to hunting
wild animals and wild birds year-round except
for special hunts adopted by the fish and
wildlife commission. The Parker Lake closure
provides a protected area for the U.S. Air
Force Military Survival Training Program.
This is my main concern is they will close down public access like YTC and the area in the sierras where they currently do their mountain helicopter training.
CAMPMEAT - you have been protected just fine up to this point without them training in the North Cascades and you'll be just fine with out it.
Post by: brewzer13 on September 04, 2015, 09:15:51 PM
Post by: Taco280AI on September 04, 2015, 09:31:41 PM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on September 05, 2015, 07:34:33 AM
http://their-lives.beforeitsnews.com/military/2015/08/quayle-alert-fire-fighters-encounter-russian-troops-in-wolverine-fire-area-in-washington-state-feared-for-their-lives-2474178.html :stirthepot:
While battling the fire and establishing fie lines around Holden Village, he and his crew came upon two Blackhawk helicopters on the ground in a remote part of the forest.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 05, 2015, 07:55:11 AM
Pilots from Fairchild Airforce base fly up in my area often. I've watched deer and other wildlife when aircraft are flying and I don't think they are bothered much. The airforce trains survival school east of us and there are servicemen in that area all times of the year, all over the mountains, yet it's great hunting in that area. I honestly don't think most wildlife will be affected much.
Its not so much the fly overs that worry me its the 7 helipads where landings will take place. The survival school you mention is closed to hunting.
See Page 89 of the hunting pamphlet:
Parker Lake (GMU 117) (Pend Oreille Co.):
All lands south of Ruby Creek Road (USFS
Road 2489), north of Tacoma Creek Road
(USFS Road 2389), and west of Bonneville
Power Administration power lines are
designated as "CLOSED AREA" to hunting
wild animals and wild birds year-round except
for special hunts adopted by the fish and
wildlife commission. The Parker Lake closure
provides a protected area for the U.S. Air
Force Military Survival Training Program.
This is my main concern is they will close down public access like YTC and the area in the sierras where they currently do their mountain helicopter training.
CAMPMEAT - you have been protected just fine up to this point without them training in the North Cascades and you'll be just fine with out it.
Hold on little mister, I do believe the fighter jets come from Whidbey Island Naval Air Station. Correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe it's Fairchild, but don't care. They fly so low, I can the pilots helmets... :tup:
Also, YTC is not closed to public access, I have a 2015 disable hunters bull elk tag.
Post by: bearpaw on September 07, 2015, 12:22:54 PM
Pilots from Fairchild Airforce base fly up in my area often. I've watched deer and other wildlife when aircraft are flying and I don't think they are bothered much. The airforce trains survival school east of us and there are servicemen in that area all times of the year, all over the mountains, yet it's great hunting in that area. I honestly don't think most wildlife will be affected much.
Its not so much the fly overs that worry me its the 7 helipads where landings will take place. The survival school you mention is closed to hunting.
See Page 89 of the hunting pamphlet:
Parker Lake (GMU 117) (Pend Oreille Co.):
All lands south of Ruby Creek Road (USFS
Road 2489), north of Tacoma Creek Road
(USFS Road 2389), and west of Bonneville
Power Administration power lines are
designated as "CLOSED AREA" to hunting
wild animals and wild birds year-round except
for special hunts adopted by the fish and
wildlife commission. The Parker Lake closure
provides a protected area for the U.S. Air
Force Military Survival Training Program.
For many years Parker Lake was closed, now there are deer and moose permits for that area. The Air Force actually trains over am much wider area including the LPO wildlife refuge and Colville National Forest which has some of the highest hunting use in NE Washington. Many members of this forum hunt the LPO and CNF, the Air Force trains every year, it's also open to hunting access, and it's great hunting.