Post by: bigtex on September 11, 2015, 09:19:52 AM
"How are you doing? Catching any?" Sgt. Kim Chandler asked anglers Wednesday.
The Sous Creek hatchery is upstream and salmon are working their way to it. Wild fish also need time to swim to their spawning ground, some protected under the Endangered Species Act. To give fish a chance to make it, the fishing season opens in sections on the Green River. The section between 277th and Auburn Black Diamond Road doesn't open til September 16.
"In case you haven't figured it out, this is the problem. It's closed. You can't fish here," Sgt. Chandler said.
It's a lesson dozens of fishermen have had to learn the hard way.
"Today we figured we'll go some place close to home. That's what happened," Jim Satco said.
Satco explained to Sgt. Chandler that he didn't know he'd picked a spot that doesn't open to fishing until next week. He caught a couple pinks on a year where millions are swarming rivers.
"It's just too much for some folks," Sgt. Chandler said. "They can't stand it. That's why we call it pink fever."
This year, the drought's changed fish habitat and the rules for catching them. Most fishermen have complained they got confused about the rules.
"The way they describe everything is goofy. You've got to be a lawyer to understand half that stuff," Satco said.
http://www.krem.com/story/news/local/northwest/2015/09/10/illegal-fishing-hooks-hundreds-of-citations/72041880/
Post by: bigtex on September 11, 2015, 09:22:06 AM
"The way they describe everything is goofy. You've got to be a lawyer to understand half that stuff," Satco said.
Apparently this guy can't read a map. Pretty simple to understand that upstream of 277th bridge is closed....
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 11, 2015, 09:28:21 AM
Or referring to the fishing regs as a whole? Probably not too far from the mark."The way they describe everything is goofy. You've got to be a lawyer to understand half that stuff," Satco said.
Apparently this guy can't read a map. Pretty simple to understand that upstream of 277th bridge is closed....
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 11, 2015, 09:31:52 AM
Post by: XAFSSGT on September 11, 2015, 09:34:00 AM
If I was confused on the rules...I wouldn't go fishing. Bunch of nimrods.
:yeah:
Right? I'm going to err on the side of caution, myself as well.
Post by: Bob33 on September 11, 2015, 09:42:34 AM
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Post by: Gringo31 on September 11, 2015, 11:48:20 AM
Post by: bigtex on September 11, 2015, 12:02:07 PM
What WDFW did was have the legislature separate two types of fishing and bird hunting offenses. What we have now is if you are fishing/bird hunting and violating regs (and are licensed) but don't have birds/fish in possession you can get a civil infraction. If you have birds/fish then you face the criminal charge and a mandatory court date.
The problem is that courts are still overloaded even though WDFW decriminalized 15 fish and wildlife offenses that many counties no longer take the everyday fishing offenses which are crimes because someone violated a rule and has fish in their possession. So the guys in the story actually got cited for the offense of fishing closed waters while not in possession of fish, when in reality they should have been charged with a misdemeanor offense.
In my opinion, more offenses (not just fish and wildlife) need to be decriminalized so we can start enforcing the laws the way they were meant to be enforced.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 11, 2015, 12:34:48 PM
Post by: M_ray on September 11, 2015, 12:51:20 PM
:hello:
Post by: Squidward on September 11, 2015, 01:11:02 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on September 11, 2015, 01:21:17 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 11, 2015, 01:29:53 PM
if there are hundreds of tickets written there, maybe just maybe the state needs to mark the river a little clearer. :twocents:or the opposite. "Hmmmm....if we muddy up the regs a bit more, we can write thousands of tickets there" :yike:
Post by: PolarBear on September 11, 2015, 02:02:35 PM
Post by: XAFSSGT on September 11, 2015, 02:10:48 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 11, 2015, 02:14:51 PM
Post by: gaddy on September 11, 2015, 02:17:06 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 11, 2015, 02:34:10 PM
"Pink fever"? :chuckle: :chuckle:
:yeah: :chuckle: never was ticketed myself :o
Post by: bigtex on September 11, 2015, 02:53:18 PM
if there are hundreds of tickets written there, maybe just maybe the state needs to mark the river a little clearer. :twocents:Mark the river? So is WDFW now supposed to post signs all along waterways saying the water is closed? Most rivers are open and closed numerous times through the year, so basically WDFW should have people constantly placing and removing signs??
How about people just read simple regs....
Post by: gaddy on September 11, 2015, 02:55:32 PM
Post by: skeeter 20i on September 11, 2015, 02:56:28 PM
:yeah:if there are hundreds of tickets written there, maybe just maybe the state needs to mark the river a little clearer. :twocents:Mark the river? So is WDFW now supposed to post signs all along waterways saying the water is closed? Most rivers are open and closed numerous times through the year, so basically WDFW should have people constantly placing and removing signs??
How about people just read simple regs....
Post by: Ebell on September 11, 2015, 02:59:17 PM
Post by: haugenna on September 11, 2015, 04:02:24 PM
:dunno: Don't know what to say. I might buy a tag if its G&F kindly opens up a vendor at the trail head and I might fish in an open river if I know it. I've recently learned on H-W that following the rules seems optional if its inconvenient because hey, some people have jobs and 74 year old uncles unlike the chumps who do things the right way. :rolleyes:
If you see someone breaking the law, head down there and grab his or her fishing pole from them and chuck it in the woods. See how that works out.
Post by: Thehowler on September 11, 2015, 04:23:22 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 11, 2015, 04:36:17 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on September 11, 2015, 05:23:38 PM
Post by: haugenna on September 11, 2015, 05:33:24 PM
Post by: Jonnyjammer on September 11, 2015, 06:13:41 PM
Ive never seen a river in this state or any other I have been to that didnt have a sign as to what the name of the river was. The regs are very clear,this road that bridge to that road that bridge not very diff.
Post by: Stein on September 11, 2015, 06:20:50 PM
if there are hundreds of tickets written there, maybe just maybe the state needs to mark the river a little clearer. :twocents:
Yeah, that works well with speed limit and "stay right except to pass" signs on I-5.
The fishing and hunting regs are hard to understand sometimes. Fishing and hunting are also privileges which means expecting us to read and ask isn't out of line. I ask here all the time for clarification when I don't know. I have also used my boat VHF, talked to guys on shore and even the fish cops when necessary.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on September 11, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
Post by: Stein on September 11, 2015, 06:53:19 PM
Pinks bring out all walks of life ...I That's why I just sit home drinking a beer and laughing my ARZ off at the News ..
Isn't that the truth? The nastier the fish, the more the bottom of the population will break rules to get them. Everybody is semi-civil until a few black hook nose nightmares start rolling in the frog water.
Post by: PolarBear on September 11, 2015, 07:50:45 PM
:yeah:Pinks bring out all walks of life ...I That's why I just sit home drinking a beer and laughing my ARZ off at the News ..
Isn't that the truth? The nastier the fish, the more the bottom of the population will break rules to get them. Everybody is semi-civil until a few black hook nose nightmares start rolling in the frog water.
Speaking of Kennedy Creek.... :chuckle: There is no fish on this planet that is worth fighting over, standing shoulder to shoulder or poaching! It is amazing the quality (or lack there of) of fish that folks are willing to do stupid stuff for.
Post by: Thehowler on September 11, 2015, 07:57:54 PM
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Post by: 2labs on September 11, 2015, 08:22:40 PM
Post by: M_ray on September 12, 2015, 12:07:17 PM
Why is it the "states fault" or "they should mark it better" or "its a sham put on so the state can levy a fine"! :rolleyes: The bottom line is that the river is closed between two bridges AND those bridges are clearly marked AND it is clearly marked in the regulations. I don't get this thinking that its up to the state to lay everything out and make it so simple that there is no personable responsibility on the license holder???
You guys can read a game pamphlet when you want to hunt a GMU so there is really no difference. I don't see signs surrounding every GMU telling you where we are at??? so if you shoot an animal over the boundary is that your fault or the WDFW cause they didn't mark it to your liking? :dunno:
Post by: Jonathan_S on September 13, 2015, 08:36:06 AM
I think the fresh, bright pinks are pretty good; but have seen some 'zombie pinks' still struggling around beyond their expiration date. These things are decomposed but alive somehow--literally fins falling off/flesh chunks falling off/jaw dragging in the gravel. I was fishing for silvers once and a zombie brushed against my line, the goo was so bad I nearly barfed. Had to spool off some line and get a new leader. Seriously that bad. And some guy was completely ignoring the mint bright silvers in the river and loading up his trashbag with pinks. He grabbed one and it looked like it slipped out of his hand, but it actually slipped out of its own skin. Just said, "Ah, they smoke up a fine dip."
:puke: I remember seeing those Chums out by Aberdeen in the creeks and they'd have skin peeling off and oil trailing behind them :o