Post by: Cougar125 on September 13, 2015, 08:50:39 PM
I took my deer with a Carbon Express Terminator Hunter 4560 32" (8.9gr/in), 20gr lighted nock, 100gr broadhead. I figure roughly 404.8 grains/arrow. Using an online calculator I figured it shoots at 217.9 fps. http://archerycalculator.com/estimate-bow-speed/ (http://archerycalculator.com/estimate-bow-speed/)
The question: When shooting game larger than a deer, i.e. elk, what is more important? Speed or weight?
Some of the reading I've done leads me to believe a heavier arrow is better because it is slower and quieter whereas a lighter arrow is faster and noisier.
Post by: jdb on September 13, 2015, 09:01:50 PM
Post by: Brad Harshman on September 13, 2015, 09:19:43 PM
There are so many variables it's hard to even know where to begin.
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Post by: Cougar125 on September 13, 2015, 09:58:39 PM
So how did your arrow perform on your deer?It performed alright I guess.Other than shooting the foam target in my yard I have nothing really to compare it to. From the point of impact the deer made it 50 yards. There is a picture of the heart in another thread in this same sub-forum. I've been using the same arrows for awhile (Walmart clearance section) and used 100gr practice points. I recently added the lighted nocks to help with arrow recovery.
Why do you want to change your setup?I'm still new to archery hunting (despite having bought the bow on Black Friday in 2010) and have been doing a lot of reading on different things regarding arrow weights, fine tuning, etc. I think I would try to relate it to a 30 caliber bullet. Would a 130 grain bullet, which works fine for deer, have the same performance when using it on an elk or would you use a heavier bullet, such as a 180gr.
There are so many variables it's hard to even know where to begin.Not sure what you want to know so here is what I think may help:
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100 gr Rage 2 Blade SC Broadhead
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi100.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm3%2FCougar125%2FIMG_2695_zpsd13qkgah.jpg&hash=a482c7491d1f6f633684aa2c6038c089d8f4b710)
20 gr Nock Out Lighted Nock
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi100.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm3%2FCougar125%2FIMG_2696_zps5t92jxe8.jpg&hash=8ec5bacfc317d2fff25eb271085a9a709c0273af)
Carbon Express Terminator Hunter 4560 (not lite...I mistake it earlier). 30"
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi100.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm3%2FCougar125%2FIMG_2694%25201_zpsod65yz9m.jpg&hash=2de92d627a533a6bfe79ed81d8e49c8130c7a2c7)
60# Diamond Razor Edge Bow with a 24.5" draw.
Post by: Johnb317 on September 13, 2015, 10:18:46 PM
The difference is arrow trajectory, with a slower arrow your estimate of distance to the animal is more critical. A 60 lb compound shooting a legal arrow 360 gr should have enough KE for a full pass through on a deer or elk inside 30 yards
( I shoot 68lbs / 420 gr. and my first Elk at 35-40 yds was a full pass through.)
Post by: Pigfuz on September 13, 2015, 10:26:17 PM
Post by: Cougar125 on September 13, 2015, 10:36:48 PM
I don't think the arrow sound is that different between 200 and 270 fps.I estimated my shot was about 10-25 yards. The shot connected a little lower than I had aimed with my 20 yard pin but it was probably me. The arrow was 10 yards along the path the deer ran from the point of impact but I think that had something to do with the bad deploying and cutting through a rib on the way through.
The difference is arrow trajectory, with a slower arrow your estimate of distance to the animal is more critical. A 60 lb compound shooting a legal arrow 360 gr should have enough KE for a full pass through on a deer or elk inside 30 yards
( I shoot 68lbs / 420 gr. and my first Elk at 35-40 yds was a full pass through.)
Post by: Idighuntin on September 14, 2015, 09:08:01 PM
Post by: Cougar125 on September 14, 2015, 09:36:47 PM
Post by: Reidus on September 14, 2015, 10:13:45 PM
Ultimately shot placement and a sharp broad head are the most important.:yeah:
Post by: ridgefire on September 15, 2015, 05:17:30 AM
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Post by: Greg Mullins on September 30, 2015, 06:00:03 PM
Post by: ridgefire on September 30, 2015, 08:57:39 PM
Post by: huntingbaldguy on October 01, 2015, 01:12:15 AM
Current 470 grain arrow: 148 fps, 23 KE, .309 momentum
Lighter 390 grain arrow: 175 fps, 26.5 KE, .303 momentum
Hoping next year to get her up to 50 lbs draw and get the extra out of it, and possibly buy her a faster bow. Looking at a Mathews Jewel which could push her up to over 200 fps and almost 35 KE at 50 lbs.
Of course, she shot her deer at 4 yards, so that's not a lot of time for the spine to straighten out and gather energy.
Post by: highside74 on October 01, 2015, 04:41:33 PM
The question: When shooting game larger than a deer, i.e. elk, what is more important? Speed or weight?
Some of the reading I've done leads me to believe a heavier arrow is better because it is slower and quieter whereas a lighter arrow is faster and noisier.
It's not about speed or noise it is about energy down range.
Swing a plastic bat fast and hit a baseball. Then swing a wood bat slow and hit that same baseball. The heavier bat even though moving slower carries more energy. Same with arrows. Heavier is always better at slow speeds such as your 217fps. When the arrow gets to its target you want as much energy stored as possible. When you start gaining speeds above 270 or so fps then you can mess with lighter vs heavier but not now. :twocents:
Post by: tgomez on October 02, 2015, 06:33:46 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on October 02, 2015, 06:45:54 PM
I also suggest you do some research and go with what you think you will be comfortable with. It really comes down to what your personal choice and ethics.
Post by: coachcw on October 02, 2015, 06:49:10 PM