Post by: MountainWalk on September 14, 2015, 08:54:33 AM
Lot of work in Seattle and Tacoma. Going to need a good pal to carry with me.
I've never carried outside if the woods, so this is new to me, but I do have my likes and dislikes. I prefer revolver, and single action, but understand it may be hard to find a carry size single action wheelgun. I'm not totally opposed to autos, but 98% of my handgun shooting has been with a revolver. Nothing smaller than 32h-r, not interested in 9mm, 44, or 380.affordable is a plus. Is the such a thing as a double action 45 Colt?
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 14, 2015, 09:19:33 AM
There's also a revolver called the Judge by Taurus that is a double action 45 LC and also .410 shotshell. Not huge, but definitely not compact--mostly the cylinder was long. Think it was 5 shot.
Post by: MountainWalk on September 14, 2015, 09:37:34 AM
Post by: j_h_nimrod on September 14, 2015, 09:42:33 AM
Post by: zike on September 14, 2015, 09:47:04 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 14, 2015, 09:53:52 AM
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on September 14, 2015, 09:55:31 AM
IMO the judge is a joke, its not accurate and the 410 is next to useless. Its heavy and large. I've got a couple of Smiths a double action with a hammer and a double action airweight without a hammer. Before I'd carry a Judge I'd look at a titanium Smith in 44 but it might be a hand full, of course it will shoot 44 special.
I'm pretty accurate with my Judge, and the .410 is awesome. Using the Winchester PDX rounds it, the three discs will hit center mass and the 10 pellets will fill a body cavity well at 10-14ft. It's for self defense not bird hunting.
Post by: HighlandLofts on September 14, 2015, 10:46:39 AM
IMO the judge is a joke, its not accurate and the 410 is next to useless. Its heavy and large. I've got a couple of Smiths a double action with a hammer and a double action airweight without a hammer. Before I'd carry a Judge I'd look at a titanium Smith in 44 but it might be a hand full, of course it will shoot 44 special.
If a load of buckshot out of a Judge or Govenor is a JOKE, why don't you take a load in center mass at seven yards and tell us how it goes.
I'll bet you wouldn't be joking around afterwards.
For close range the 32 caliber buckshot balls that are loaded in the 410 buckshot are hard to beat.
I've got a Bond 45/410 for use when driving throught Everett, Seattle & Tacoma. Nice little seat gun that will drop any thug that triesenter the truck at close range, for farther ranges they have to deal with a Colt 1911 - 45acp.
For the OP have you checked out the Ruger GP100 in 357 magnum with a four inch barrel? Nice built gun and can be bought for around $550. I have two stainless GP100s and love them better then my Smith Revolvers.and I have several Smiths, 686, 586, 10, 62, 60, 64, 37, 437, 640, 632.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on September 14, 2015, 11:00:51 AM
One of the real nice things about the concealed permit is you can keep a handgun loaded in the vehicle when doing non-outdoors things. Even if you're not so much about having it under your jacket at all times, you can at least have it on the seat/console/etc.
You might check that, I have not but had an officer tell me last year that the weapon has to be on your person in the vehicle for the CWP to be in effect. He said that it did not cover my pistol slid between my seats. Gave me the verbal, non official, warning when I had pulled over to ask him directions and he noticed the grip between the seats. I said "thank you for the information, officer. Have a nice day!" Have not checked the facts and just keep in in the holster now anyway.
Post by: magnanimous_j on September 14, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
Post by: 257wbymagkiller on September 14, 2015, 11:02:51 AM
My first suggestion would either be a GP100 or a SW 686. But if those were bigger than you were wanting, I'd get a Ruger SP101 in .357 with a 3" barrel, and carry some premium .38 +p.:yeah:
The SP101 in 357 is sweet.
Or the S&W .357 airlite is a nice pice.
Post by: jaymark6655 on September 14, 2015, 11:16:53 AM
From RCW 9.41.050One of the real nice things about the concealed permit is you can keep a handgun loaded in the vehicle when doing non-outdoors things. Even if you're not so much about having it under your jacket at all times, you can at least have it on the seat/console/etc.
You might check that, I have not but had an officer tell me last year that the weapon has to be on your person in the vehicle for the CWP to be in effect. He said that it did not cover my pistol slid between my seats. Gave me the verbal, non official, warning when I had pulled over to ask him directions and he noticed the grip between the seats. I said "thank you for the information, officer. Have a nice day!" Have not checked the facts and just keep in in the holster now anyway.
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
He was wrong and could issue a ticket if he wanted, which is probably why it was only a "warning". (i), (ii), and (iii) are or statements, if they weren't there would be an and Ex. (the pistol is there, and (iii) the licensee), but if number 1 always applies then number 3 couldn't exist.
Post by: wreckerman5288 on September 14, 2015, 11:29:01 AM
That aside, it really depends on what you are comfortable with. I have carried a lot of different pistols but I have two autos that are pretty much all I carry these days.
Most of the time I carry a Ruger SR1911 CMD. It's heavy but I shoot it very well and 1911s are easy to conceal thanks to their very thin width. I own a Glock 19 and while I like it very much the 1911 is easier to hide. 7+1 rounds of 230 grain Federal HSTs carried cocked and locked is potent medicine for bad guys. The only drawback of 1911s is the weight, but aluminum frame guns will save you quite a bit of weight if you desire.
I will also say that you cannot skimp on your holster and gun belt rig. If you buy cheap it will not be comfortable and it won't conceal as well.
Remember: situational awareness at all times, always carry, and be safe
Post by: ghosthunter on September 14, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
From RCW 9.41.050One of the real nice things about the concealed permit is you can keep a handgun loaded in the vehicle when doing non-outdoors things. Even if you're not so much about having it under your jacket at all times, you can at least have it on the seat/console/etc.
You might check that, I have not but had an officer tell me last year that the weapon has to be on your person in the vehicle for the CWP to be in effect. He said that it did not cover my pistol slid between my seats. Gave me the verbal, non official, warning when I had pulled over to ask him directions and he noticed the grip between the seats. I said "thank you for the information, officer. Have a nice day!" Have not checked the facts and just keep in in the holster now anyway.
(2)(a) A person shall not carry or place a loaded pistol in any vehicle unless the person has a license to carry a concealed pistol and: (i) The pistol is on the licensee's person, (ii) the licensee is within the vehicle at all times that the pistol is there, or (iii) the licensee is away from the vehicle and the pistol is locked within the vehicle and concealed from view from outside the vehicle.
He was wrong and could issue a ticket if he wanted, which is probably why it was only a "warning". (i), (ii), and (iii) are or statements, if they weren't there would be an and Ex. (the pistol is there, and (iii) the licensee), but if number 1 always applies then number 3 couldn't exist.
Yep
The WA attorney general ruled on that several years ago. The cop was wrong. As many are when it comes to gun laws.
I have a friend who was a cop and even though I have showed him the proof he still ,tell folks this.
The Judge will do the job at close range. I use PDX .410 loads and 45 LC mixed.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on September 14, 2015, 11:57:23 AM
Now if you decide to get away from a revolver, look at pretty much any of the sub compact polymer guns. the are light weight and hold more ammo. also make sure to put night sights on them and get a good holster.
I do not ever recommend "off body" carry. there is a chance of getting into a bad habbit of leaving it in the vehicle.
Post by: MountainWalk on September 14, 2015, 12:37:56 PM
I used to carry one on a long term loan. Great gun, but my hand totally swallowed it up. Did not like that. Affordable means no Colt or S-W.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 14, 2015, 12:41:22 PM
IMO the judge is a joke, its not accurate and the 410 is next to useless. Its heavy and large. I've got a couple of Smiths a double action with a hammer and a double action airweight without a hammer. Before I'd carry a Judge I'd look at a titanium Smith in 44 but it might be a hand full, of course it will shoot 44 special.
:yeah: Revolvers make for poor shotguns. :twocents:
My first suggestion would either be a GP100 or a SW 686. But if those were bigger than you were wanting, I'd get a Ruger SP101 in .357 with a 3" barrel, and carry some premium .38 +p.
I like the 686. Make sure you like the trigger if you get a Ruger. Not saying they're worse than Smith, but maybe you'll want to get one tuned up even out of the box if you go that route.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on September 14, 2015, 12:42:50 PM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on September 14, 2015, 12:50:31 PM
Concerning the sp101.
I used to carry one on a long term loan. Great gun, but my hand totally swallowed it up. Did not like that. Affordable means no Colt or S-W.
I know everyone has a different idea of whats affordable but MSRP on a S&W 642 $470. so your looking at just under $400 for a quality handgun that goes bang every time thats not a bad price at all.
You can look in the used market and find some of these even cheaper. if your really wanting a affordable revolver you best bets are either Ruger, Taurus or Smith not much else out there unless you get to something more exotic like a Chiappa Rhino (which I really want now).
Pretty much the whole gun market has shifted to Polymer semi autos and of those, mostly striker fired. Maybe check out the next gun show and see what you can find. at least you can handle a few guns and see what you like. Gun shows for the most part have just become a gathering of gun stores and they don't always want to haggle but every now and then you find a deal.
Post by: splitshot on September 14, 2015, 12:58:46 PM
Post by: splitshot on September 14, 2015, 01:00:43 PM
Post by: CP on September 14, 2015, 03:50:08 PM
There is good reason why every LE agency has gone to semi-auto handguns and retired their revolvers.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 14, 2015, 03:54:16 PM
Cops need the extra capacity because they're such crappy shots (20% hit rate) just sayin' :)
Post by: splitshot on September 14, 2015, 04:54:11 PM
Post by: jdb on September 14, 2015, 07:10:01 PM
Yes, get yourself a concealed pistol license if you don't already have one. Then forget about revolvers, yes they are cool but someday you may need your sidearm to save your life.care to elaborate on that?
There is good reason why every LE agency has gone to semi-auto handguns and retired their revolvers.
Post by: jdb on September 14, 2015, 07:11:15 PM
??? The average self defense shooting is only 1.2 shots. IIRC 1/2 of 1% reload their weapons in a shooting. Its also likely to be at arms length distance or less. a J frame snubby is going to be just fine. In fact in such close quarters a semi auto is more likely to jam or otherwise be encumbered by clothing or body structure that could cause a Type II malfunction.:yeah:
Cops need the extra capacity because they're such crappy shots (20% hit rate) just sayin' :)
Post by: jdb on September 14, 2015, 07:15:52 PM
Post by: Rick on September 14, 2015, 07:24:42 PM
Yes, get yourself a concealed pistol license if you don't already have one. Then forget about revolvers, yes they are cool but someday you may need your sidearm to save your life.care to elaborate on that?
There is good reason why every LE agency has gone to semi-auto handguns and retired their revolvers.
It's because most cops can't hit the broad side of a barn. They need to carry 60 rounds in the hopes they'll eventually hit what they're shooting at..lol
Post by: JJB11B on September 14, 2015, 07:33:13 PM
Post by: fly-by on September 14, 2015, 07:43:02 PM
Concerning the sp101.
I used to carry one on a long term loan. Great gun, but my hand totally swallowed it up. Did not like that. Affordable means no Colt or S-W.
If you are a wheel gun guy and feel the SP-101 was too small in the hand, a GP-100 may be a great choice. However, I think short barrels are really meant for large diameter, low pressure, big&slow cartridges. Everything the .357 is not. Take a look at a 5 shot 44 special. I have a Rossi 720 and a Charter Arms Bulldog and carry both regularly. They have bigger grips than the SP-101 but are smaller framed than the GP-100. Very modest recoil and blast yet ample penetration. Use a lightly constructed hollow point like a 180 XTP. The Judge is a good woods carry or console gun but try sticking one in your pocket. I had one, sent it off to have a screw in choke installed, shot it for a while, and traded it. You at least want the option of concealing if licensed. With that long cylinder they are really big...
Post by: jdb on September 14, 2015, 07:47:03 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on September 15, 2015, 07:06:10 AM
Post by: fisheral87 on September 15, 2015, 07:28:48 AM
Not every situation calls for open carry, consider staying flexible on your carry method.
Hope you never need whichever one you choose.
Al
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 15, 2015, 07:40:15 AM
Springfield XD sub compact 9mm 13+1. Small and very concealable. I have 2, one in a 40 and the 9mm.
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on September 15, 2015, 07:52:42 AM
One of the real nice things about the concealed permit is you can keep a handgun loaded in the vehicle when doing non-outdoors things. Even if you're not so much about having it under your jacket at all times, you can at least have it on the seat/console/etc.
You might check that, I have not but had an officer tell me last year that the weapon has to be on your person in the vehicle for the CWP to be in effect. He said that it did not cover my pistol slid between my seats. Gave me the verbal, non official, warning when I had pulled over to ask him directions and he noticed the grip between the seats. I said "thank you for the information, officer. Have a nice day!" Have not checked the facts and just keep in in the holster now anyway.
I cant believe people believe the word of mouth from a cop. :chuckle:
Post by: MountainWalk on September 15, 2015, 08:13:35 AM
Post by: Mongo Hunter on September 15, 2015, 09:24:30 AM
I'm really digging the Uberti cattleman' 73. Birdhead grip, blue/case, 45 4.5 barrel and affordable.
If you are seriously considering this as a self defense tool stay away from single action revolvers. While yes they are more than capable of doing the job they are slow and much harder to train with. Basically you would have to be able to train yourself to draw, roll back that hammer, aim, fire and then roll back that hammer again. all with one hand as fast as you can do it and also be able to use your weak hand.
Its much easier and smarter to "program" yourself to draw, aim, fire. keep it simple.
Also I just looked up the revolver your taking about its about $400 for a basic model. you could easily get into a DA smith, ruger or tauras for that.
Not to preach but there are certain rules I play by for self defense guns.
1. Keep it simple.
2. Keep it with you
2. Bird shot is for birds
3. No rim fires...ever
4. Nothing smaller than .380
5. Practice for the worst
Single action revolvers break rule 1 and the size and weight of that gun would break rule 2.
just my 2 cents.
Post by: thinkingman on September 15, 2015, 10:26:55 AM
IMO the judge is a joke, its not accurate and the 410 is next to useless. Its heavy and large. I've got a couple of Smiths a double action with a hammer and a double action airweight without a hammer. Before I'd carry a Judge I'd look at a titanium Smith in 44 but it might be a hand full, of course it will shoot 44 special.For all the experts that claim this, I've yet to meet one that wants to stare down the barrel.
Post by: theleo on September 15, 2015, 12:45:20 PM
And to all that use that line of logic, I ask, what size of barrel do you prefer to stare down?IMO the judge is a joke, its not accurate and the 410 is next to useless. Its heavy and large. I've got a couple of Smiths a double action with a hammer and a double action airweight without a hammer. Before I'd carry a Judge I'd look at a titanium Smith in 44 but it might be a hand full, of course it will shoot 44 special.For all the experts that claim this, I've yet to meet one that wants to stare down the barrel.
Post by: 2labs on September 15, 2015, 01:14:24 PM
Post by: JJB11B on September 15, 2015, 03:54:24 PM
Glock makes a ton of pistols, they all function reliably and they are affordable. I love them.
Post by: GoldTip on September 15, 2015, 04:25:47 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on September 15, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
When I buy something like this, I want to use and enjoy it for different things as well. Maybe grouse hunting and of course, target practice. Autos just don't do it for me. I'm not being obstinate, I'm sorry. 357 and 45 are what I'm liking. We'll see. Thanks guys for the time and thoughts.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on September 15, 2015, 06:24:45 PM
Do it all under stress and see if you change your thoughts. Whole different story. Best of of luck to you and be safe...
Post by: j_h_nimrod on September 15, 2015, 06:41:34 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on September 15, 2015, 07:02:21 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on September 15, 2015, 07:06:44 PM
In a high percentage of officer shootings,the officers reported they never saw the sights.
Aiming really not a factor within the 21 ft. Range.
Look it up.
Post by: j_h_nimrod on September 15, 2015, 07:29:32 PM
I would be handloading. Not opposed to 44special. No 44mag.
??? why not?
Post by: Bean Counter on September 15, 2015, 10:26:28 PM
And to all that use that line of logic, I ask, what size of barrel do you prefer to stare down?IMO the judge is a joke, its not accurate and the 410 is next to useless. Its heavy and large. I've got a couple of Smiths a double action with a hammer and a double action airweight without a hammer. Before I'd carry a Judge I'd look at a titanium Smith in 44 but it might be a hand full, of course it will shoot 44 special.For all the experts that claim this, I've yet to meet one that wants to stare down the barrel.
:lol4:
Post by: Firedogg on September 15, 2015, 10:53:57 PM
For something a bit more affordable than these two choices Taurus has both wheel guns and semi-autos that are dependable.
Post by: theleo on September 16, 2015, 05:39:50 AM
Because in the case of say, ruger black hawks, you can get six rounds of 44 specials out of a 357 framed handgun instead of a heavier 44 mag framed pistol.I would be handloading. Not opposed to 44special. No 44mag.
??? why not?
Post by: CP on September 16, 2015, 06:16:10 AM
I know it's not the same, but I do draw, clock and fire a cap and ball 36 enough that the mechanics of the effort aren't a big deal. I truly would rather have DA though.
When I buy something like this, I want to use and enjoy it for different things as well. Maybe grouse hunting and of course, target practice. Autos just don't do it for me. I'm not being obstinate, I'm sorry. 357 and 45 are what I'm liking. We'll see. Thanks guys for the time and thoughts.
If your heart is set on a revolver there are still a lot of surplus law enforcement weapons around that are fairly priced. S&W K frame models 13, 19, 65, & 66 in .357
Models 10 are cheap if you are OK with a .38 – they were in their time the most popular LE weapon made; simple, reliable, and virtually indestructible.
Grips can be changed to fit your needs and your hands
Post by: jdb on September 20, 2015, 04:57:33 PM
there is nothing simpler than a single action revolverI'm really digging the Uberti cattleman' 73. Birdhead grip, blue/case, 45 4.5 barrel and affordable.
If you are seriously considering this as a self defense tool stay away from single action revolvers. While yes they are more than capable of doing the job they are slow and much harder to train with. Basically you would have to be able to train yourself to draw, roll back that hammer, aim, fire and then roll back that hammer again. all with one hand as fast as you can do it and also be able to use your weak hand.
Its much easier and smarter to "program" yourself to draw, aim, fire. keep it simple.
Also I just looked up the revolver your taking about its about $400 for a basic model. you could easily get into a DA smith, ruger or tauras for that.
Not to preach but there are certain rules I play by for self defense guns.
1. Keep it simple.
2. Keep it with you
2. Bird shot is for birds
3. No rim fires...ever
4. Nothing smaller than .380
5. Practice for the worst
Single action revolvers break rule 1 and the size and weight of that gun would break rule 2.
just my 2 cents.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on September 21, 2015, 08:21:42 AM
there is nothing simpler than a single action revolverI'm really digging the Uberti cattleman' 73. Birdhead grip, blue/case, 45 4.5 barrel and affordable.
If you are seriously considering this as a self defense tool stay away from single action revolvers. While yes they are more than capable of doing the job they are slow and much harder to train with. Basically you would have to be able to train yourself to draw, roll back that hammer, aim, fire and then roll back that hammer again. all with one hand as fast as you can do it and also be able to use your weak hand.
Its much easier and smarter to "program" yourself to draw, aim, fire. keep it simple.
Also I just looked up the revolver your taking about its about $400 for a basic model. you could easily get into a DA smith, ruger or tauras for that.
Not to preach but there are certain rules I play by for self defense guns.
1. Keep it simple.
2. Keep it with you
2. Bird shot is for birds
3. No rim fires...ever
4. Nothing smaller than .380
5. Practice for the worst
Single action revolvers break rule 1 and the size and weight of that gun would break rule 2.
just my 2 cents.
Keep everything simple, the gun is not the problem. To train yourself to add the extra motion of cocking a hammer is harder compared to just pulling the trigger. not to mention training for follow-up shots.
There are people out there that carry 1911's. Properly carried 1911's are "cock and locked", all you have to do is thumb down a little lever and fire. But you would be amazed at how many people screw that up under stress.
Post by: jaymark6655 on September 21, 2015, 08:27:08 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on September 21, 2015, 08:27:53 AM
Most of the double action 45 Long Colts I know of have been larger cals (.454 or .460) primarily, but utilize the 45 LC just fine.
There's also a revolver called the Judge by Taurus that is a double action 45 LC and also .410 shotshell. Not huge, but definitely not compact--mostly the cylinder was long. Think it was 5 shot.
The Judge is on sale at Freddy's right now. I believe it's 399.00, which is about $150 off list.
I love the magazine capacity of a dependable auto. My 9mm LC9 has an extended mag so I have 11 shots. I also just got a shoulder rig for my XD .45, which gives me 14 shots. Since breaking in either gun, I've never had a jam. The 9mm is great because I can stick it in behind my back and never know it's there. The .45 is piece of mind in tweeker-ville.
Post by: theleo on September 21, 2015, 09:20:17 AM
Except for double action revolvers.there is nothing simpler than a single action revolverI'm really digging the Uberti cattleman' 73. Birdhead grip, blue/case, 45 4.5 barrel and affordable.
If you are seriously considering this as a self defense tool stay away from single action revolvers. While yes they are more than capable of doing the job they are slow and much harder to train with. Basically you would have to be able to train yourself to draw, roll back that hammer, aim, fire and then roll back that hammer again. all with one hand as fast as you can do it and also be able to use your weak hand.
Its much easier and smarter to "program" yourself to draw, aim, fire. keep it simple.
Also I just looked up the revolver your taking about its about $400 for a basic model. you could easily get into a DA smith, ruger or tauras for that.
Not to preach but there are certain rules I play by for self defense guns.
1. Keep it simple.
2. Keep it with you
2. Bird shot is for birds
3. No rim fires...ever
4. Nothing smaller than .380
5. Practice for the worst
Single action revolvers break rule 1 and the size and weight of that gun would break rule 2.
just my 2 cents.
Post by: Eric M on September 21, 2015, 09:22:44 AM
Post by: jdb on September 22, 2015, 08:10:27 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 22, 2015, 08:13:56 PM
I guess it's all in your experience, all I've ever had is revolvers and the majority single action, it's just a natural thing for me to hook my thumb over the hammer as the gun recoils and it kinda cocks it's self as it comes down from recoil. Not saying it's as fast as a semi auto but it can be done pretty fast. I never feel inadequately armed when I have a single action.
Also never heard of a wheel gun Stove piping a round.
Post by: jdb on September 22, 2015, 08:19:11 PM
hmmmm?Except for double action revolvers.there is nothing simpler than a single action revolverI'm really digging the Uberti cattleman' 73. Birdhead grip, blue/case, 45 4.5 barrel and affordable.hmmmm?
If you are seriously considering this as a self defense tool stay away from single action revolvers. While yes they are more than capable of doing the job they are slow and much harder to train with. Basically you would have to be able to train yourself to draw, roll back that hammer, aim, fire and then roll back that hammer again. all with one hand as fast as you can do it and also be able to use your weak hand.
Its much easier and smarter to "program" yourself to draw, aim, fire. keep it simple.
Also I just looked up the revolver your taking about its about $400 for a basic model. you could easily get into a DA smith, ruger or tauras for that.
Not to preach but there are certain rules I play by for self defense guns.
1. Keep it simple.
2. Keep it with you
2. Bird shot is for birds
3. No rim fires...ever
4. Nothing smaller than .380
5. Practice for the worst
Single action revolvers break rule 1 and the size and weight of that gun would break rule 2.
just my 2 cents.
Post by: jdb on September 22, 2015, 08:22:56 PM
and if you have a dude with a auto loader you have to clear it. But with a revolver you just cock it and pull the triggerI guess it's all in your experience, all I've ever had is revolvers and the majority single action, it's just a natural thing for me to hook my thumb over the hammer as the gun recoils and it kinda cocks it's self as it comes down from recoil. Not saying it's as fast as a semi auto but it can be done pretty fast. I never feel inadequately armed when I have a single action.
Also never heard of a wheel gun Stove piping a round.
Post by: theleo on September 22, 2015, 08:37:58 PM
With double action revolvers you don't HAVE to cock the hammer each time.hmmmm?Except for double action revolvers.there is nothing simpler than a single action revolverI'm really digging the Uberti cattleman' 73. Birdhead grip, blue/case, 45 4.5 barrel and affordable.hmmmm?
If you are seriously considering this as a self defense tool stay away from single action revolvers. While yes they are more than capable of doing the job they are slow and much harder to train with. Basically you would have to be able to train yourself to draw, roll back that hammer, aim, fire and then roll back that hammer again. all with one hand as fast as you can do it and also be able to use your weak hand.
Its much easier and smarter to "program" yourself to draw, aim, fire. keep it simple.
Also I just looked up the revolver your taking about its about $400 for a basic model. you could easily get into a DA smith, ruger or tauras for that.
Not to preach but there are certain rules I play by for self defense guns.
1. Keep it simple.
2. Keep it with you
2. Bird shot is for birds
3. No rim fires...ever
4. Nothing smaller than .380
5. Practice for the worst
Single action revolvers break rule 1 and the size and weight of that gun would break rule 2.
just my 2 cents.
Post by: jasnt on September 22, 2015, 08:43:21 PM
I guess it's all in your experience, all I've ever had is revolvers and the majority single action, it's just a natural thing for me to hook my thumb over the hammer as the gun recoils and it kinda cocks it's self as it comes down from recoil. Not saying it's as fast as a semi auto but it can be done pretty fast. I never feel inadequately armed when I have a single action.:yeah:
Post by: jdb on September 22, 2015, 09:01:51 PM
which means there are two different ways that a double action can be fired (single action/double action.) a single action is just single action, only fires if you pull the hammer back. One method of operation vs two. Which is simpler? I know I know I'm splitting hairs! In all honesty I think the best defensive handgun is a solid double action .357 magnum.With double action revolvers you don't HAVE to cock the hammer each time.hmmmm?Except for double action revolvers.there is nothing simpler than a single action revolverI'm really digging the Uberti cattleman' 73. Birdhead grip, blue/case, 45 4.5 barrel and affordable.hmmmm?
If you are seriously considering this as a self defense tool stay away from single action revolvers. While yes they are more than capable of doing the job they are slow and much harder to train with. Basically you would have to be able to train yourself to draw, roll back that hammer, aim, fire and then roll back that hammer again. all with one hand as fast as you can do it and also be able to use your weak hand.
Its much easier and smarter to "program" yourself to draw, aim, fire. keep it simple.
Also I just looked up the revolver your taking about its about $400 for a basic model. you could easily get into a DA smith, ruger or tauras for that.
Not to preach but there are certain rules I play by for self defense guns.
1. Keep it simple.
2. Keep it with you
2. Bird shot is for birds
3. No rim fires...ever
4. Nothing smaller than .380
5. Practice for the worst
Single action revolvers break rule 1 and the size and weight of that gun would break rule 2.
just my 2 cents.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on September 22, 2015, 09:13:00 PM
Post by: jaymark6655 on September 23, 2015, 06:22:29 AM
Since this is a repo gig, I would be more tempted to carry concealed versus leaving it in the truck. Nothing sucks more than turning around and seeing someone between you and that door to the truck.
Being conceal I would always go for something that doesn't have a hammer spur, it gets caught on clothing.
I prefer semi-auto over pistols because of the slimmer profile making them easier to conceal, they require less reloading and you can carry more spare ammo and the magazines for reloading are slimmer than the speed loaders for a revolver. I usually carry a spare mag in my back pants pocket.
As for reliability, I would find an ammo that it likes to eat. The only time I have ever had a stove pipe was when I crossed my left thumb over my wrist when I was first learning to shoot. If the ammo ever fails to go bang, I would not carry it for self defense. I shot a lot before picking what I carry in the guns now. Its expensive, but think of it like buying real life insurance not the stuff the only pays after your dead. If there is a failure to fire due to ammo, a revolver can just have the trigger pulled again. Now there are some semis that can restrike that case, but if it fails to fire again at some point you would have to manually cycle the slide.
Revolvers can jam either because something mechanical broke, timing gets messed up or bullets walked out of case due to recoil.
Either can get fouled up if an attacker is close, if the slide get pushed out of battery by his body or if the cylinder is grabbed and kept from rotating.
As far as being revolvers being more simple, depends one what your talking about. What the operator must do to load, chamber a round and fire I would say depending on gun they can be about equal. I started carrying a Glock which require rounds be put in the magazine, magazine insert, slide racked and trigger pulled. A revolver is not too far off with one less step, insert rounds into cylinder, close cylinder, pull trigger.
Now as much as I seem to be anti-revolver, I will be buying one for self defense someday. In the woods I like to carry the first round as snake shot and usually this won't cycle a semi.
In my mind one isn't really better than the other, they both have pros and cons that seem to cancel each other out.
For semi, I like glock (this from a person who loves his 1911, I was offered triple what I paid for it and turned them down); it's simple, tough, it will feed almost anything, cheap, light, and they have some single stack that I can carry in my back pocket. At the time I bought it there was cheaper or lighter or smaller, but I was worried about the competitions reliability. Since then I have tried out several I like, but just don't have as much experience with them yet to recommend.
For revolver, I personally considering a Smith and Wesson Model 340PD, 640, or M&P340. I wanted Judge originally, but heard too much negative comments about them (wish I could remember what, but I have forgotten) and now I just think they seem too large for me to bother carrying.
Shoot what ever you want to buy first, try to use or carry it how you plan to if possible. In the end pick what your comfortable with, you are the one stuck using/depending on it.
Sorry for the long post.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 23, 2015, 01:04:07 PM
Revolvers can jam either because something mechanical broke, timing gets messed up or bullets walked out of case due to recoil.
Either can get fouled up if an attacker is close, if the slide get pushed out of battery by his body or if the cylinder is grabbed and kept from rotating.
I've carried both but sold them all when I found out the UN would appreciate it. I agree that all weapons are falible, and none will appreciate abuse in the long term. That said, I've only seen one malfunction of a revolver in my life and so many in semi-automatic 'bottom feeders' that training to clear them is routine.
I've dry fired my revolvers from inside my coat pocket and never had the cylinder snag or malfunction. A semi-auto would get the first round out for sure, but be almost guaranteed to malfunction in the cycle of operation before a second shot could be made. Both can malfunction, but a revolver is far more reliable and idiot proof for simple minded, spastic fingers like mine. :o
Post by: MountainWalk on September 25, 2015, 11:19:04 AM
Good enough. 45Colt, one of these days.
Post by: Mongo Hunter on September 25, 2015, 11:27:36 AM
Update: bought a used gp100 from my MIL, $200.
Good enough. 45Colt, one of these days.
good pick!
Post by: fish vacuum on September 25, 2015, 04:12:36 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on September 26, 2015, 01:04:30 AM
Post by: Firedogg on September 26, 2015, 02:37:14 PM
Look at the Ruger Match Champion grip, a little larger than stock and no finger grooves to limit how you grip it.
Post by: Bean Counter on September 26, 2015, 02:40:57 PM