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Title: Toxin's on the rise in Chinook in the South Sound
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on January 15, 2009, 08:10:42 PM: Article in today's Seattle Times had a new scientist study released on elevated level's of organic contaminant's in Chinook ranging from the Duwamish, down to Olympia area. The study was aimed at affect's to Orca's, but it can't be good for us either :(

Sources of organic pollutant's are sewage, fertilizer's and fire retardant's, to name a few.
Title: Re: Toxin's on the rise in Chinook in the South Sound
Post by: sisu on January 16, 2009, 11:57:08 AM: You know it's funny that people blame the loggers, Indians, and the farmers of western Washington for the decline. Go for a ride around the "Greater Olympia-Bellingham" metropolitan area during the spring-fall months and take a look at people fertilizing, fungiciding, weed killing, pesticiding etc. and you'll see the real decline of the fishing both commercial and sport. But NO, Oh no, no one wants to look in the mirror and see the real culprit. It's everyday common Joe Doe and Mary Doe home owner that wants pretty flowers, green lawn, and super garden with chemicals. Chemicals are good for you just read Timothy Leary's writings.
And people can argue till they are blue in the face about this because they know this is correct.
Title: Re: Toxin's on the rise in Chinook in the South Sound
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on January 16, 2009, 12:22:19 PM: Quote from: sisu on January 16, 2009, 11:57:08 AM
You know it's funny that people blame the loggers, Indians, and the farmers of western Washington for the decline. Go for a ride around the "Greater Olympia-Bellingham" metropolitan area during the spring-fall months and take a look at people fertilizing, fungiciding, weed killing, pesticiding etc. and you'll see the real decline of the fishing both commercial and sport. But NO, Oh no, no one wants to look in the mirror and see the real culprit. It's everyday common Joe Doe and Mary Doe home owner that wants pretty flowers, green lawn, and super garden with chemicals. Chemicals are good for you just read Timothy Leary's writings.
And people can argue till they are blue in the face about this because they know this is correct.

So very true, I go to several annual WSDA and DOE seminars for my job and a couple years back Bush "relaxed" all the homeowner and commercial use restriction's for chemicals, regarding stream barriers and in some cases even began to allow chemicals proven to harm fish to be used directly in water applications. These non-point source pollutant's are a big problem, as well as failed homeowner septic systems. Another big problem is fecal coliform from the overabundance of waterfowl in urban waters. I can tell you fecal coliform levels are over the required limits on most river system's in the Sound, at some point. They need to have open season on waterfowl in some of these areas.
Title: Re: Toxin's on the rise in Chinook in the South Sound
Post by: singleshot12 on January 16, 2009, 12:30:44 PM: Good point sisu

It's very sad how man has carelessly poisoned the environment in just the last 50 or so years.

I hope that the effects are not irreversible and people wake up soon,
and learn to use healthier alternatives to chemicals.
Title: Re: Toxin's on the rise in Chinook in the South Sound
Post by: rasbo on January 16, 2009, 12:54:50 PM: thats why I have moles,I wont use poison.guess Ill stick with the traps.A part time creek splits my property so I worry about down stream.I think of all the septic systems theve got to leech into the system.I have my house sprayed 3 times a year,its supposed to be green, crysanthimum oil?probley butchered the spelling.I love the hunting and fishing but I try to stay green as possible.
Title: Re: Toxin's on the rise in Chinook in the South Sound
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on January 16, 2009, 01:00:57 PM: Me too, especially with the report last year that came out about the chemicals in the reservoirs, like Howard Hanson, the Skook, etc.. Our drinking water is basically contaminated, it's just a matter of how much of it you drink. What's funny is that when the DOE rep told us about the restrictions being lifted on the chemicals proven to cause fish mortality, I asked him why the change in position. He had no intelligible answer other than all environmental protections were being rolled back to aid development activities. Nothing scientific whatsoever, more importance placed on development than clean water.
Title: Re: Toxin's on the rise in Chinook in the South Sound
Post by: sisu on January 16, 2009, 03:07:43 PM: You three guys are to be commended. I've got neighbors over here that put 300-500 pounds of fertilizer into the lawn every year (one acre lawn). We live about 280 feet above Long Lake so you know where it's going.
Title: Re: Toxin's on the rise in Chinook in the South Sound
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on January 16, 2009, 05:59:10 PM: That's nuts, I'm surprised he hasn't burned his lawn down to bare mud. If you are bagging your grass you can get away with little nitrogen fertilizer to replace what was lost, but other than that the Sulfates, Phosphates and even too heavy amounts of iron can really do some damage.
Title: Re: Toxin's on the rise in Chinook in the South Sound
Post by: ICEMAN on January 16, 2009, 06:57:18 PM: Sorry to say this, but dont forget the farmers. Wasn't the Palouse the most highly polluted river in the state?
Title: Re: Toxin's on the rise in Chinook in the South Sound
Post by: singleshot12 on January 16, 2009, 07:17:43 PM: I'm getting a little low on heavy metals..I think I'll cook me up some salmon bellies or a couple pieces of sturgeon should bring my body up to normal levels real quick :P