Post by: NWKrenz on September 28, 2015, 07:06:48 PM
Recently I picked up some Barnes 300 grain mz's and the first time I shot I was using 100 grains, this past time I tried 110 to see if that would make any difference. The first shot was way low so I raised it up a bit and still the same result. Did the same thing after the next shot.
I don't know what the problem is, for all I know I'm adjusting the sight the wrong way. Any help would be much appreciated.
Post by: Firedogg on September 28, 2015, 07:11:14 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on September 28, 2015, 07:14:25 PM
From bench or free hand?
Post by: PyroBlack on September 28, 2015, 08:11:08 PM
Just moving them a little may not be enough.
Post by: NWKrenz on September 28, 2015, 08:27:20 PM
Wouldn't moving the sight up on the rail raise the view on the front sight therefore aiming further down? Maybe my logic is wrong, I would think if I lowered the sight on the rail it would make the front sight higher and then be shooting higher.
Firedog my first shot was the one on the bottom right, and the sight was where the pen mark is. Hardly anything changed after I drastically changed the sight.
I was resting on my truck, is was kinda dusk when I was shooting but I could still see the target very well.
Post by: NWKrenz on September 28, 2015, 08:28:26 PM
Post by: bobcat on September 28, 2015, 08:30:58 PM
Post by: Chukarhead on September 28, 2015, 08:35:24 PM
2. 40 yards might be a little close for zero... fine for getting on paper, but a little short for zero.
2. Resting your gun on your truck to fire is illegal, don't do it.
Post by: NWKrenz on September 28, 2015, 08:35:54 PM
Thank you, I hope I can get it dialed it.
Post by: NWKrenz on September 28, 2015, 08:40:50 PM
1. Move your sight up to raise the point of impact up (you're moving it the wrong way...).
2. 40 yards might be a little close for zero... fine for getting on paper, but a little short for zero.
2. Resting your gun on your truck to fire is illegal, don't do it.
I understand that now, I was 3/4 way up on my sight to start but my logic on how the sight worked was obviously backwards.
And by zero what do you mean? If I'm shooting like that at 40 yards am I supposed to expect it's going to be in the bulls eye at 100 yards?
I'm on private property inside an indoor barn shooting range. Yeah it doesn't make it right but it's not like I'm shooting outside my window at an a animal.
Post by: bobcat on September 28, 2015, 08:46:33 PM
Post by: NWKrenz on September 28, 2015, 08:55:05 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on September 28, 2015, 08:55:33 PM
But I would sit at a bench with a solid rest for my rifle. Holding the gun the exact same way for every shot.
I would start at 50 yards than move out to 100 yards.
Leaning on a truck with open sights is just to willy nilly when trying to zero. Once you get zeroed you can do it any old way than you will know if it is you or the gun or load.
I try to eliminate all the errors I can when sighting in. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on September 28, 2015, 08:56:51 PM
Bobcat, even if hunting?
Yes.
Post by: NWKrenz on September 28, 2015, 09:01:07 PM
I know I'm doing something wrong. Thank you
Post by: Chukarhead on September 28, 2015, 09:06:41 PM
The law was changed recently. You can legally rest your rifle on your vehicle, if on private land.
Well, I'll be gosh-darned. I was sure you were wrong...so I checked the RCW. Go figure. It looks like as long as you're off the maintained public roadway you're good.
Sorry for any misinformation!
Post by: ghosthunter on September 28, 2015, 09:17:31 PM
The law was changed recently. You can legally rest your rifle on your vehicle, if on private land.
Well, I'll be gosh-darned. I was sure you were wrong...so I checked the RCW. Go figure. It looks like as long as you're off the maintained public roadway you're good.
Sorry for any misinformation!
Even that is debatable, they changed that too. Page 87 #7 Wac 232-12-054 Negligently Discharging a firearm along any public hwy.
Capt Mann told all the Hunter Ed instructors in the state , That you could stand on the center line of I 90 and shoot a deer as long as there was nobody coming and you were not Negligent. Technically. :yike:
So sorry :jacked: :hunter:
Post by: bobcat on September 28, 2015, 09:25:15 PM
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(4) This section does not apply if the person:
(a) Is a law enforcement officer who is authorized to carry a firearm and is on duty within the officer's respective jurisdiction;
(b) Possesses a disabled hunter's permit as provided by RCW 77.32.237 and complies with all rules of the department concerning hunting by persons with disabilities; or
(c) Discharges the rifle or shotgun from upon a nonmoving motor vehicle, as long as the engine is turned off and the motor vehicle is not parked on or beside the maintained portion of a public road, except as authorized by the commission by rule. This subsection (4)(c) does not apply to off-road vehicles, which are unlawful to use for hunting under RCW 46.09.480, unless the person has a department permit issued under RCW 77.32.237.
(5) For purposes of subsection (1) of this section, a rifle or shotgun shall not be considered loaded if the detachable clip or magazine is not inserted in or attached to the rifle or shotgun.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 29, 2015, 08:12:14 AM
1. Move your sight up to raise the point of impact up (you're moving it the wrong way...).
2. 40 yards might be a little close for zero... fine for getting on paper, but a little short for zero.
2. Resting your gun on your truck to fire is illegal, don't do it.
I understand that now, I was 3/4 way up on my sight to start but my logic on how the sight worked was obviously backwards.
And by zero what do you mean? If I'm shooting like that at 40 yards am I supposed to expect it's going to be in the bulls eye at 100 yards?
I'm on private property inside an indoor barn shooting range. Yeah it doesn't make it right but it's not like I'm shooting outside my window at an a animal.
Shoot 3 rounds. If they are close together, that is your "group". It's ok if they didn't hit the bullseye, we'll work on that.
Adjust your sights in the direction from your "group" that you need to move to the "bullseye". So if you are consistently shooting low, adjust your sights up.
Fire 3 more rounds. You've now got a new "group" to work with. Adjust sights again if necessary. I typically won't do more than 10-12 rounds when zeroing my ML. I'll clean it and start over.
If you are starting at 40 yards, get a good "zero" (meaning that you're consistently putting your group on the bullseye area), and start working your way out to 100 yards. I personally zero at 50 yards, and work my way to 100 but I don't adjust at 100. I just want to know how I'm shooting at 100, but I keep my zero at 50. Meaning right now at 100 yards, I drop a few inches and it tends to drag to the left. I will keep that in mind when I'm hunting elk this weekend, but I try to keep my shots under 50 yards anyways.
Does that make sense?
edit: Just a heads up, the Army zeros at 25 meters. Don't feel bad for starting at 40 yards.
Post by: Maverick on September 29, 2015, 09:16:58 AM
Post by: CP on September 29, 2015, 09:19:39 AM
So wait when adjusting rear sight you're saying if you're shooting low then move the sight forward up to raise where the bullet hits? Wouldnt that point your barrel further downward giving you an even lower point of impact? I would think lowering the sight bringing it closer to the barrel would raise the front sight and raise where the point of impact is. Am I wrong?!
Yes. To raise the point of impact you raise the rear sight or lower the front sight.
Post by: NWKrenz on September 29, 2015, 09:37:16 AM
Good luck on Elk this weekend, Saturday can't come soon enough. Thanks
Post by: NWKrenz on September 29, 2015, 09:38:51 AM
So wait when adjusting rear sight you're saying if you're shooting low then move the sight forward up to raise where the bullet hits? Wouldnt that point your barrel further downward giving you an even lower point of impact? I would think lowering the sight bringing it closer to the barrel would raise the front sight and raise where the point of impact is. Am I wrong?!
That was exactly my thoughts but I was wrong. I will try again tonight and see what happens.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 29, 2015, 09:40:42 AM
Shoot with a pack, without, shoot kneeling, prone, around a tree/obstacle, etc. Basically get used to having your body in different positions and being able to still stay on target. It's unbelievable how a small body position change can throw you off sometimes. Getting close to season so I know you won't have a lot of time, but in the future it's a good idea. It'll help you out in the long run to be super comfortable with your gun in all situations.
Curtis
Post by: CP on September 29, 2015, 09:52:59 AM
Yes that makes sense. I plan on doing the same, I just want to be right on at 50 and know where I'm shooting at around 100. I'd be very lucky to get a shot over 50 yards where I hunt.
Good luck on Elk this weekend, Saturday can't come soon enough. Thanks
You should be about 1.5"- 2" low @ 100y if you sight in at 50y.
Post by: Maverick on September 29, 2015, 10:34:29 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 29, 2015, 10:37:57 AM
Also, everybody's body position is completely different, so how they see the sights is different. I strongly recommend you always zero your own gun.
Post by: Maverick on September 29, 2015, 11:07:48 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on September 29, 2015, 12:00:01 PM
I am not an expert shooter by any means but I had a great experience in the Army that kept things real simple:
1) Get your group
2) Get your zero
3) Learn your gun at different ranges and positions after finding your zero.
Curtis
Post by: NWKrenz on September 29, 2015, 01:14:36 PM
This is all just my $.02.
I am not an expert shooter by any means but I had a great experience in the Army that kept things real simple:
1) Get your group
2) Get your zero
3) Learn your gun at different ranges and positions after finding your zero.
Curtis
Thanks Curtis for all your input, we will see what tonight brings. Very nice Knight's maverick. Are you shooting FFG or FFFG?
Post by: Firedogg on September 29, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
With Hornady 300grn at 50yds it hits about 2 1/2 inches above the top edge of the sight. At 100 it is right at the top edge. Tried some Powerbelt 338grn Platinums and there is only about 1/2 inch difference where they hit at 100yds, all using 110grns of 777.
Happy to have it hitting where it is, now if I can somehow get out to hunt.
(2 hrs and 45minutes from Federal Way up to the UW hospital this morning) uggh