Post by: jasnt on October 01, 2015, 06:03:57 AM
On Sept. 23, Matthew Nellessen of Friendship, Wisc., an avid deer hunter and former U.S. Army sergeant who served with the 961 Engineers in Afghanistan in 2006 and 2007, was scouting a potential hunting area in the Colburn Wildlife Management Area of Adams County when he locked eyes with a wolf only 30 yards away. Acting on instinct he gained from military service, Nellessen immediately pulled his sidearm, a Walther PK .380, and chambered a round.
That’s when things went from bad to worse. As he racked the slide, Nellessen noticed two more wolves approaching from the left.
“It all happened so fast,” said Nellessen. "It was maybe 3-4 seconds and the wolves were on me.”
The first wolf came in from the right, mouth open, fangs ready to rip into Nellesen's leg. A swift kick from the man’s boot landed square on the wolf's face and deflected the bite.
“That first wolf missed my leg by 8-10 inches,” he said.
The other two wolves weren’t far behind. As the next wolf leapt toward Nellessen, the man jumped back and was able to fire a single round into the animal. Nellessen was unsure of the lethality of the hit, but two wolves immediately retreated for the bush bush at the sound of the gunshot and the third limped away “like a gut-shot deer," said Nellessen.
Though shaken, Nellessen, realizing he had not been injured in the ordeal, made a hasty, yet calculated retreat to his truck, he said, "clearing every bush and tree along the way with my .380.” Reaching a point roughly 600 yards from the truck, Nellessen breathed a small sigh of relief, phoned his wife and informed her of the ordeal.
“I thought, if the wolves were still following me,” said Nellessen, “I ought to give her an idea of where I’m at.”
Once home, he called the Wisconsin DNR.
The following day, with biologists from the Wisconsin DNR and U.S.D.A. Wildlife Services in tow, Nellessen returned to the scene of the attack, hoping to find a dead wolf. At press time no wolf had been found, but Nellessen said the group did find lots of wolf sign, and a blood trail that ended after roughly 150 yards.
Continued....
http://www.americanhunter.org/articles/2015/9/30/worldwide-exclusive-wisconsin-deer-hunter-fends-off-wolves-with-walther-pk-380/
"they" continue to claim wolves don't attack people but the proof just keeps adding up.
Post by: AspenBud on October 01, 2015, 09:13:35 AM
Post by: lokidog on October 01, 2015, 09:44:37 AM
Aspen, the big difference, in case you are unsure, is that wolves hunt in packs and bear and cougar generally run away from people, also there are very few cougar in WI.
Post by: Special T on October 01, 2015, 09:47:55 AM
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Post by: jasnt on October 01, 2015, 10:18:39 AM
But since you brought it up aspen bud. How do you think that situation would have played out had he not been armed? The world is a dangerous place and yes I believe the concrete jungle is a more dangerous place than the woods but like putting on a seat belt or a helmet I put on my pistol to head to either the concrete or real jungle. Safety first :tup:
Post by: timberfaller on October 01, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
If your not careful, even the tree's will getcha!! :)
Post by: AspenBud on October 01, 2015, 11:26:49 AM
Aspen, the big difference, in case you are unsure, is that wolves hunt in packs and bear and cougar generally run away from people, also there are very few cougar in WI.
Well, this bear effectively out did all of the wolf packs in the lower 48 so far this year.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/us/yellowstone-grizzly-bear-put-down-hiker-attack-feat/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/13/us/yellowstone-grizzly-bear-put-down-hiker-attack-feat/)
One bear, one dead person. The numbers did not matter.
If you think wolves are a bigger threat you are wrong. They might be in the same league, but that's about it. Could that change? Maybe. But I chalk these kinds of things up to the realities of being in the woods.
Post by: AspenBud on October 01, 2015, 11:32:21 AM
But since you brought it up aspen bud. How do you think that situation would have played out had he not been armed?
Giving that he wasn't actually attacked, or rather, he wasn't harmed, the answer to that question is a speculative one at best.
He made the call, he didn't try to cover it up, he is probably not lying given that, and that is about the size of it. The guy even says he doesn't blame the wolves and acknowledges he was probably somewhere he shouldn't be as far as the wolves were concerned.
And I agree, people are naive to think they can't be dangerous like a lot of wildlife.
I never go into the woods without at least a sidearm.
Post by: jasnt on October 01, 2015, 07:05:10 PM
if a wild predator(bear, cougar, or wolf) is close enough to get kicked in the face it's not courious. It plans to eat you or attempt to eat you. That's not speculative. 3 wolves vs one man could end up very bad.But since you brought it up aspen bud. How do you think that situation would have played out had he not been armed?
Giving that he wasn't actually attacked, or rather, he wasn't harmed, the answer to that question is a speculative one at best.
He made the call, he didn't try to cover it up, he is probably not lying given that, and that is about the size of it. The guy even says he doesn't blame the wolves and acknowledges he was probably somewhere he shouldn't be as far as the wolves were concerned.
And I agree, people are naive to think they can't be dangerous like a lot of wildlife.
I never go into the woods without at least a sidearm.
Any one of us could end up in the same situation (odds are slim I know) yet every time one of these story's is posted some one has to make jokes about it. I don't see how it is funny.
Post by: JJB11B on October 01, 2015, 07:27:04 PM
Agreed!if a wild predator(bear, cougar, or wolf) is close enough to get kicked in the face it's not courious. It plans to eat you or attempt to eat you. That's not speculative. 3 wolves vs one man could end up very bad.But since you brought it up aspen bud. How do you think that situation would have played out had he not been armed?
Giving that he wasn't actually attacked, or rather, he wasn't harmed, the answer to that question is a speculative one at best.
He made the call, he didn't try to cover it up, he is probably not lying given that, and that is about the size of it. The guy even says he doesn't blame the wolves and acknowledges he was probably somewhere he shouldn't be as far as the wolves were concerned.
And I agree, people are naive to think they can't be dangerous like a lot of wildlife.
I never go into the woods without at least a sidearm.
Any one of us could end up in the same situation (odds are slim I know) yet every time one of these story's is posted some one has to make jokes about it. I don't see how it is funny.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on October 01, 2015, 07:31:28 PM
But since you brought it up aspen bud. How do you think that situation would have played out had he not been armed?
Giving that he wasn't actually attacked, or rather, he wasn't harmed, the answer to that question is a speculative one at best.
He made the call, he didn't try to cover it up, he is probably not lying given that, and that is about the size of it. The guy even says he doesn't blame the wolves and acknowledges he was probably somewhere he shouldn't be as far as the wolves were concerned.
And I agree, people are naive to think they can't be dangerous like a lot of wildlife.
I never go into the woods without at least a sidearm.
He never said in the articulate he shouldn't have been there, don't put words in his mouth! :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: wolfbait on October 03, 2015, 01:43:05 PM
I would think a wolf attack by more than one wolf would be quite hard to come out of unarmed, or for many people one wolf alone. The fact that wolf promoters alway try to throw in bears, cougars etc. to some how soften the wolf dangers always amuses me.
The problem I see happening in WA is wolves have/are being allowed to grow out of control, many folks don't have a clue there are wolves in an area, because those promoting the wolves either will not confirm wolf packs or deny any wolves are in the area unless forced to do so, this puts the public in danger. You will notice the grizzly bear signs are up, why not wolf danger signs? Because wolves are harmless?
Post by: jasnt on October 03, 2015, 01:53:00 PM
Wolves don’t attack people – BUSTED
There are no known gray wolf attacks on humans in modern times in North America – USFW
The definition of “modern times” according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary is: the present or the immediate past. Considering most animal rights and environmental groups claim that the wolf has been nearly extinct since the early 1900s, it’s obvious that there would be no documented attacks, so let’s evaluate times when wolves were plentiful. Historically Documented Attacks, When Wolves Were Plentiful*:
France: Between 1580 and 1830, 3,069 people were killed by wolves
Sweden: Between 1763 and 1767, 99 people were killed by wolves
Italy: Between the 15th and 19th century 440 people were killed by wolves
Russia: Between 1943 and 1947, 60 people were killed by wolves, 46 were children
India & Pakistan: In 1875, 721 people were killed by wolves
Iran: In 2005 and 2008 two people were killed.
North America: Prior to the 1700s there were no records kept on wolf attacks. However, there is a lot of folklore from Native American culture which depicts wolf attacks. In 1807 during the Lewis and Clark Expedition camped on the shores of the Yellowstone River when a wolf came into camp and bit Private Richard Windsor.
Near the Ohio border in 1803, wolves attacked two men, killing one.
In 1833 a wolf attacked a trapper camp in Wyoming biting 13 people.
In 1881 an 18 year old female was attacked by a wolf in Colorado.
In the Canadian Arctic Expedition of 1913-1918 a wolf attacked the expedition, which is now on display in the National Museum in Ottawa.
In 1922 a trapper and two Indians sent to find the trapper were found killed by wolves.
Modern Times, When Wolves Are “Near Extinction”*:
In 1974-1975 wolves killed 165 dogs in Fairbanks, Alaska, which resulted in the killing of 13 wolves. After the wolves were culled, the attacks reportedly drastically dropped.
In 1996 five wolves attacked and killed 25 year old Patricia Wyman in Ontario.
In 2000 a 6 year old boy and 9 year old boy were attacked by a wolf in Icy Bay, Alaska.
In 2000, 23 year old Scott Langevin was attacked by a wolf while sleeping on Vargas Island in British Columbia.
In 2005, Kenton Carnegie was attacked and killed by wolves in northern Saskatchewan.
In 2005, Fred Desjarlais was attacked in Saskatchewan when returning home from Key Lake.
In 2006 six people were attacked by a wolf in Ontario.
In 2010, Candice Berner was jogging in Chignik Lake, Alaska when she was attacked and killed by wolves.
In 2013, a good samaritan driver Dawn Hepp was attacked by a wolf on the side of the road in Manitoba.
In 2013, a teenager was attacked while in his sleeping bag in Minnesota. He physically pried the wolf’s jaw open to remove his head.
Read more
http://oregonoutdoorcouncil.org/top-wolf-myths-busted-wolves-do-attack-people-do-impact-hunting-do-surplus-kill-et-al/
Post by: wolfbait on October 03, 2015, 02:23:03 PM
Post by: Bango skank on October 03, 2015, 03:16:34 PM
Post by: jasnt on October 03, 2015, 04:31:33 PM
So this guy didnt even have a round chambered. I just dont get why people walk around with their guns like that.same here. I ALWAYS carry cocked and locked. Those seconds it takes chamber a round could be all you got
Post by: AspenBud on October 06, 2015, 10:35:33 AM
I agree wolf bait. I've posted this before but it relates to this thread.
Wolves don’t attack people – BUSTED
There are no known gray wolf attacks on humans in modern times in North America – USFW
The definition of “modern times” according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary is: the present or the immediate past. Considering most animal rights and environmental groups claim that the wolf has been nearly extinct since the early 1900s, it’s obvious that there would be no documented attacks, so let’s evaluate times when wolves were plentiful. Historically Documented Attacks, When Wolves Were Plentiful*:
France: Between 1580 and 1830, 3,069 people were killed by wolves
Sweden: Between 1763 and 1767, 99 people were killed by wolves
Italy: Between the 15th and 19th century 440 people were killed by wolves
Russia: Between 1943 and 1947, 60 people were killed by wolves, 46 were children
India & Pakistan: In 1875, 721 people were killed by wolves
Iran: In 2005 and 2008 two people were killed.
North America: Prior to the 1700s there were no records kept on wolf attacks. However, there is a lot of folklore from Native American culture which depicts wolf attacks. In 1807 during the Lewis and Clark Expedition camped on the shores of the Yellowstone River when a wolf came into camp and bit Private Richard Windsor.
Near the Ohio border in 1803, wolves attacked two men, killing one.
In 1833 a wolf attacked a trapper camp in Wyoming biting 13 people.
In 1881 an 18 year old female was attacked by a wolf in Colorado.
In the Canadian Arctic Expedition of 1913-1918 a wolf attacked the expedition, which is now on display in the National Museum in Ottawa.
In 1922 a trapper and two Indians sent to find the trapper were found killed by wolves.
Modern Times, When Wolves Are “Near Extinction”*:
In 1974-1975 wolves killed 165 dogs in Fairbanks, Alaska, which resulted in the killing of 13 wolves. After the wolves were culled, the attacks reportedly drastically dropped.
In 1996 five wolves attacked and killed 25 year old Patricia Wyman in Ontario.
In 2000 a 6 year old boy and 9 year old boy were attacked by a wolf in Icy Bay, Alaska.
In 2000, 23 year old Scott Langevin was attacked by a wolf while sleeping on Vargas Island in British Columbia.
In 2005, Kenton Carnegie was attacked and killed by wolves in northern Saskatchewan.
In 2005, Fred Desjarlais was attacked in Saskatchewan when returning home from Key Lake.
In 2006 six people were attacked by a wolf in Ontario.
In 2010, Candice Berner was jogging in Chignik Lake, Alaska when she was attacked and killed by wolves.
In 2013, a good samaritan driver Dawn Hepp was attacked by a wolf on the side of the road in Manitoba.
In 2013, a teenager was attacked while in his sleeping bag in Minnesota. He physically pried the wolf’s jaw open to remove his head.
Read more
http://oregonoutdoorcouncil.org/top-wolf-myths-busted-wolves-do-attack-people-do-impact-hunting-do-surplus-kill-et-al/
You do however understand that bear attacks have probably come close to, if not topped, all of the attacks you listed there in just this year alone right?
Here's the latest one I've heard about.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hunter-escapes-attack-by-shoving-arm-down-bears-throat/ar-AAf8h21 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hunter-escapes-attack-by-shoving-arm-down-bears-throat/ar-AAf8h21)
It's not that wolves won't attack people, at least from my perspective, it's that the odds of it happening compared to mountain lions and bears is quite low, at least for now.
Post by: jasnt on October 06, 2015, 12:03:48 PM
considering how many more bear and cougar there are com paired to how many wolves in the US puts it more in perspective. Duh bear attacks and cougar attacks out number wolf attacks. Wolves were about wiped out (lower 48) for a long time!I agree wolf bait. I've posted this before but it relates to this thread.
Wolves don’t attack people – BUSTED
There are no known gray wolf attacks on humans in modern times in North America – USFW
The definition of “modern times” according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary is: the present or the immediate past. Considering most animal rights and environmental groups claim that the wolf has been nearly extinct since the early 1900s, it’s obvious that there would be no documented attacks, so let’s evaluate times when wolves were plentiful. Historically Documented Attacks, When Wolves Were Plentiful*:
France: Between 1580 and 1830, 3,069 people were killed by wolves
Sweden: Between 1763 and 1767, 99 people were killed by wolves
Italy: Between the 15th and 19th century 440 people were killed by wolves
Russia: Between 1943 and 1947, 60 people were killed by wolves, 46 were children
India & Pakistan: In 1875, 721 people were killed by wolves
Iran: In 2005 and 2008 two people were killed.
North America: Prior to the 1700s there were no records kept on wolf attacks. However, there is a lot of folklore from Native American culture which depicts wolf attacks. In 1807 during the Lewis and Clark Expedition camped on the shores of the Yellowstone River when a wolf came into camp and bit Private Richard Windsor.
Near the Ohio border in 1803, wolves attacked two men, killing one.
In 1833 a wolf attacked a trapper camp in Wyoming biting 13 people.
In 1881 an 18 year old female was attacked by a wolf in Colorado.
In the Canadian Arctic Expedition of 1913-1918 a wolf attacked the expedition, which is now on display in the National Museum in Ottawa.
In 1922 a trapper and two Indians sent to find the trapper were found killed by wolves.
Modern Times, When Wolves Are “Near Extinction”*:
In 1974-1975 wolves killed 165 dogs in Fairbanks, Alaska, which resulted in the killing of 13 wolves. After the wolves were culled, the attacks reportedly drastically dropped.
In 1996 five wolves attacked and killed 25 year old Patricia Wyman in Ontario.
In 2000 a 6 year old boy and 9 year old boy were attacked by a wolf in Icy Bay, Alaska.
In 2000, 23 year old Scott Langevin was attacked by a wolf while sleeping on Vargas Island in British Columbia.
In 2005, Kenton Carnegie was attacked and killed by wolves in northern Saskatchewan.
In 2005, Fred Desjarlais was attacked in Saskatchewan when returning home from Key Lake.
In 2006 six people were attacked by a wolf in Ontario.
In 2010, Candice Berner was jogging in Chignik Lake, Alaska when she was attacked and killed by wolves.
In 2013, a good samaritan driver Dawn Hepp was attacked by a wolf on the side of the road in Manitoba.
In 2013, a teenager was attacked while in his sleeping bag in Minnesota. He physically pried the wolf’s jaw open to remove his head.
Read more
http://oregonoutdoorcouncil.org/top-wolf-myths-busted-wolves-do-attack-people-do-impact-hunting-do-surplus-kill-et-al/
You do however understand that bear attacks have probably come close to, if not topped, all of the attacks you listed there in just this year alone right?
Here's the latest one I've heard about.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hunter-escapes-attack-by-shoving-arm-down-bears-throat/ar-AAf8h21 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hunter-escapes-attack-by-shoving-arm-down-bears-throat/ar-AAf8h21)
It's not that wolves won't attack people, at least from my perspective, it's that the odds of it happening compared to mountain lions and bears is quite low, at least for now.
Post by: wolfbait on October 06, 2015, 02:30:02 PM
Kenton Joel Carnegie is a perfect example, http://washingtonwolf.info/human_attacks.html
Remember a few years ago when the guy up at Harts Pass shot a wolf he said was attacking him, funny how we never seem to hear the end of that story. How many other attacks have there been that have never reached mainstream media? Or the public eye?
Well-known wolf biologist Dr. David Mech took issue with this attack stating it couldn't really be considered an authentic attack since the girl wasn't injured more severely. It was exactly nine years when such an attack would take place. Read more@
http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html
Post by: mossyhead on November 09, 2015, 09:40:15 PM
Post by: KFhunter on November 09, 2015, 10:03:47 PM
It's time to think about defending yourself, assume there's more than one wolf and keep an eye on your 6 O'clock because that's where the attack will most likely come from.
Post by: jasnt on November 10, 2015, 05:26:25 AM
Post by: Bango skank on November 12, 2015, 07:47:54 PM
I feel the same way. If a predator is that close to you knowingly then it most likely has ill intentions.
If a large predator is staring me down at close range, it has about 2 seconds to show me its ass. Or :mgun:
Post by: JJB11B on November 18, 2015, 02:33:50 PM
Post by: XAFSSGT on November 18, 2015, 02:54:58 PM
You're out scouting a new hunting area, and you brought a .380?
Post by: KFhunter on November 18, 2015, 08:02:05 PM
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but was it amateur hour?
You're out scouting a new hunting area, and you brought a .380?
Never criticize a guy for bringing what they had available, if he had a .380 then obviously it was better than nothing at all.
Times past I used to scout with no weapons at all until a big predator taught me the error of my ways. Besides, Matthew Nellessen of Friendship, Wisc is probably not on HW forum.
..and while you're at it use better language on HW, this is a family friendly site.
Post by: bobcat on November 18, 2015, 08:16:56 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on November 18, 2015, 08:30:54 PM
So this guy didnt even have a round chambered. I just dont get why people walk around with their guns like that.same here. I ALWAYS carry cocked and locked. Those seconds it takes chamber a round could be all you got
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Its not just the extra half second it takes to rack a round: you might only have one hand available. Most self defense shootings take place at arms length and you might be using your non-gun hand to deflect the perp, blocking a knife, etc.
Post by: XAFSSGT on November 19, 2015, 08:14:41 AM
I felt a little panic come over me as I'm reading it, and all I could think of was "You brought a .380 scouting?"
As far as the language goes, sorry about that. I'm aware this is family friendly. :tup:
Post by: Bean Counter on November 19, 2015, 11:02:49 AM
Post by: bobcat on November 19, 2015, 11:06:40 AM
I wouldn't be willing to be shot with a .380, FWIW. :chuckle:
Good point.