Post by: huntnphool on October 09, 2015, 01:03:16 PM
It seems to happen to me and my kids every year, and although it offers a great teaching lesson for my kids, it's got to stop!
Post by: Snot00011@hotmail.com on October 09, 2015, 01:04:40 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on October 09, 2015, 01:05:39 PM
With modern deer ramping, up I wanted to remind those of you that don't have binoculars and use your rifle scope to look around with, THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!
It seems to happen to me and my kids every year, and although it offers a great teaching lesson for my kids, it's got to stop!
:yeah: great PSA :tup:
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on October 09, 2015, 01:11:42 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 09, 2015, 01:13:15 PM
Post by: cbond3318 on October 09, 2015, 01:16:05 PM
If you do use your rifle scope to look around at least take it off your rifle before doing so and reinstall it when you see your shooter buck.
Would be easier to just buzz the drone over to check it out....
Post by: Rainier10 on October 09, 2015, 01:16:22 PM
Post by: tgomez on October 09, 2015, 01:52:49 PM
Post by: coachcw on October 09, 2015, 02:00:55 PM
Post by: jasnt on October 09, 2015, 02:12:22 PM
It's the best way to get a ass beating ! If you can afford to go hunting you can afford binoculars period !:yeah: you can get some for much cheaper than a tag or box of rounds these days.
Post by: Stickerbush on October 09, 2015, 02:40:02 PM
Post by: SeaRun1 on October 09, 2015, 03:07:11 PM
SR1
Post by: runamuk on October 09, 2015, 03:42:39 PM
Post by: Hunting Cowboy on October 09, 2015, 05:50:12 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on October 09, 2015, 07:32:11 PM
Just kidding. It's BS 100% and should be illegal.
I don't rifle deer hunt much anymore other than with my wife, however I remember being young and seeing jackwagons do this a lot.
Post by: huntnphool on October 09, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
I do it quite often, but I keep the safety on :dunno:
Just kidding. It's BS 100% and should be illegal.
I don't rifle deer hunt much anymore other than with my wife, however I remember being young and seeing jackwagons do this a lot.
Holy crap, I read that first sentence and began to boil, you got me. :chuckle:
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 09, 2015, 08:13:36 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on October 09, 2015, 08:26:05 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :tup:I do it quite often, but I keep the safety on :dunno:
Just kidding. It's BS 100% and should be illegal.
I don't rifle deer hunt much anymore other than with my wife, however I remember being young and seeing jackwagons do this a lot.
Holy crap, I read that first sentence and began to boil, you got me. :chuckle:
Post by: Wingin it on October 10, 2015, 07:48:23 AM
Post by: MADMAX on October 10, 2015, 08:04:45 AM
or shoot a grouse with a 300 winmag out a tree
Post by: Taco280AI on October 10, 2015, 08:11:49 AM
Post by: rickomatic on October 10, 2015, 12:34:40 PM
Post by: barracuda163 on October 10, 2015, 01:14:39 PM
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Post by: ghosthunter on October 11, 2015, 08:16:34 PM
Post by: emac on October 11, 2015, 08:47:54 PM
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Post by: razzanof on October 11, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Post by: lokidog on October 11, 2015, 10:28:08 PM
Post by: GameHunter1959 on October 12, 2015, 12:45:56 AM
Post by: RadSav on October 12, 2015, 03:25:41 AM
That's about the only acceptable way I see using a rifle scope to glass with.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on October 12, 2015, 03:37:38 AM
Post by: huntnphool on October 12, 2015, 09:03:25 AM
That's about the only acceptable way I see using a rifle scope to glass with.
It wouldn't be considered a "rifle scope" unless mounted to a rifle, just as a rifle is not a "assault rifle" unless being used to assault right? ;)
Post by: elkfins on October 12, 2015, 11:04:16 AM
I've been hunting for over 30 years and it's never happened to me (that I know of) so I'm not sure how I'd react if I saw someone eyeballing me through a rifle scope.
I shot a 3pt buck across a draw 3 years ago with my son next to me. I was following him with the scope for about 20 yards before he stepped to a spot where i was comfortable with the shot... about 200 yards out. I didn't' know it at the time but there was another hunter and his teenage son further up the ridge watching me. They were about 150 yds up the hill over a bit of a ledge and didn't know the deer were below them. When I got to the downed deer, they were there, congratulated me on the successful harvest and then told me that they thought I was watching them with the scope and when I shot, they just about came out of their boots before they realized what was going on and the doe's that were with the buck ran up the hill past them. The father told me that he was trying to decide how to react to my "scoping" him with the rifle scope and then shooting their direction... whether to confront me or just leave the area. I had absolutely no idea they were there and was focused on the deer. My response at the time was the same as now... People really do that???
Seems to me like we should carry one of those big foam middle finger hands.
Post by: Ripper on October 12, 2015, 11:20:46 AM
Post by: grundy53 on October 12, 2015, 11:44:13 AM
I don't know how anyone can step into the woods with out a good pair of bino's. I forgot mine once and felt naked out there. I drove all the way home to get them and back the same day, 7 hours round trip. There is no excuse whatsoever for a hunter to use their scope for glassing, or for not owning bino's. You can get cheapo Bushnells at Walmart for 30 bucks. That is the quickest way to get kicked out of my camp!:yeah:
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Post by: huntnphool on October 16, 2015, 02:59:00 PM
Post by: kellama2001 on October 16, 2015, 03:48:43 PM
I don't know how anyone can step into the woods with out a good pair of bino's. I forgot mine once and felt naked out there. I drove all the way home to get them and back the same day, 7 hours round trip. There is no excuse whatsoever for a hunter to use their scope for glassing, or for not owning bino's. You can get cheapo Bushnells at Walmart for 30 bucks. That is the quickest way to get kicked out of my camp!:yeah:
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Post by: Wazukie on October 16, 2015, 08:47:36 PM
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Post by: Typical8 on October 17, 2015, 05:38:18 PM
Post by: Rat44 on October 17, 2015, 11:05:18 PM
Seen some of the most unsafe gun handling and shooting on that one show.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on October 18, 2015, 12:05:15 AM
My wife says I take it too seriously when I yell at the TV .
Seen some of the most unsafe gun handling and shooting on that one show.
I was watching a show once where that Swarovzski rep was following his guide on a stalk, and had his rifle pointing right up the guides a**. Made me really mad.
Post by: LeviD1 on October 18, 2015, 07:52:56 AM
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Post by: LeviD1 on October 18, 2015, 08:10:50 PM
Post by: Stickerbush on October 18, 2015, 09:40:36 PM
Post by: Elk4me on October 18, 2015, 10:30:32 PM
Post by: The Weazle on October 18, 2015, 10:53:40 PM
Regardless of that situation, I have never just thrown up the rifle and scoped out a situation without putting up the bino's or spotter first.
Post by: huntnphool on October 18, 2015, 11:57:46 PM
Interesting thread guys. I can't imagine that people do this....
Believe it, it happens quite often actually. :bash:
Post by: huntingbaldguy on October 19, 2015, 01:11:13 AM
Guy on FB just posts a pic of an elk, in modern deer season. He took the picture through his scope. I asked if he was glassing with his scope, he said no his binos are just 10x25 so they suck and he wanted a picture of the elk. He justified it by saying his safety was on and the rifle was pointed in a safe direction. I don't see the rifle being pointed at an animal not legal to take, being a safe direction and see it as a violation of firearms safety protocol, and think it's just as bad as glassing with a scope. What say you?
Post by: The Weazle on October 19, 2015, 01:27:07 AM
Post by: The Weazle on October 19, 2015, 01:29:16 AM
Am i way off here?Also, what is a safe direction to you? Have you ever sped in a vehicle? Was it safe? Pretty subjective huh?
Guy on FB just posts a pic of an elk, in modern deer season. He took the picture through his scope. I asked if he was glassing with his scope, he said no his binos are just 10x25 so they suck and he wanted a picture of the elk. He justified it by saying his safety was on and the rifle was pointed in a safe direction. I don't see the rifle being pointed at an animal not legal to take, being a safe direction and see it as a violation of firearms safety protocol, and think it's just as bad as glassing with a scope. What say you?
Post by: huntingbaldguy on October 19, 2015, 01:31:40 AM
Am i way off here?Also, what is a safe direction to you? Have you ever sped in a vehicle? Was it safe? Pretty subjective huh?
Guy on FB just posts a pic of an elk, in modern deer season. He took the picture through his scope. I asked if he was glassing with his scope, he said no his binos are just 10x25 so they suck and he wanted a picture of the elk. He justified it by saying his safety was on and the rifle was pointed in a safe direction. I don't see the rifle being pointed at an animal not legal to take, being a safe direction and see it as a violation of firearms safety protocol, and think it's just as bad as glassing with a scope. What say you?
In my world, no, not subjective at all. You don't point a gun at something you don't want to kill. Simple as that.
Post by: MIKEXRAY on October 19, 2015, 05:48:10 AM
Post by: X-Force on October 19, 2015, 06:08:35 AM
Am i way off here?Also, what is a safe direction to you? Have you ever sped in a vehicle? Was it safe? Pretty subjective huh?
Guy on FB just posts a pic of an elk, in modern deer season. He took the picture through his scope. I asked if he was glassing with his scope, he said no his binos are just 10x25 so they suck and he wanted a picture of the elk. He justified it by saying his safety was on and the rifle was pointed in a safe direction. I don't see the rifle being pointed at an animal not legal to take, being a safe direction and see it as a violation of firearms safety protocol, and think it's just as bad as glassing with a scope. What say you?
In my world, no, not subjective at all. You don't point a gun at something you don't want to kill. Simple as that.
We have a picture on hunt-wa of a guy target practicing on a private range when 12-15 big horns walked through. He snapped a picture with his rifle down range and commented how his range had a traffic jam. Where's your outrage there? Basically the same situation. No finger on the trigger, safety on, no intent to shoot, the only difference is the viewpoint of the camera man.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on October 19, 2015, 06:18:26 AM
We have a picture on hunt-wa of a guy target practicing on a private range when 12-15 big horns walked through. He snapped a picture with his rifle down range and commented how his range had a traffic jam. Where's your outrage there? Basically the same situation. No finger on the trigger, safety on, no intent to shoot, the only difference is the viewpoint of the camera man.
How can you be outraged at something you didn't see?
Basically, i was taught that if you relax on gun safety, you're eventually going to have an accident. I've seen that happen. Luckily no one was injured or killed, but i've seen someone think, hey i cleared this gun last week, it's empty, but turns out he's been transporting a loaded gun "somehow" and fired off a round when he had no idea there was one in there. I just don't relax on stuff like that. If i saw that, i would unload the gun, put the gun up and wait for the range to clear like anyone else. At the range, on a cold range/paper check, i lean rifles against he bench so the muzzle isn't pointing down range, even though there's RO's walking the concrete to make sure no one goes near guns. I'm a safety nut, everyone should be. I just don't make exceptions. If you have binos, you can take a pic through them.
Seriously, what happened to this? I try to follow this to a T, every time I'm in the presence of a gun.
Post by: swanny on October 19, 2015, 08:27:26 AM
What I want to know, is it really more comfortable for you to point your gun at something all day to see what it is?
Post by: lokidog on October 19, 2015, 08:32:58 AM
Post by: Natas5150 on October 19, 2015, 08:36:08 AM
I think the argument falls apart when you gripe about scoping an animal you don't intend to shoot... I think we have ALL put a scope on a small buck or a doe to see if there was a shooter in the group. As someone said, this is a far cry from scoping off a landing looking for random animals. :twocents:
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Post by: Yondering on October 19, 2015, 10:58:14 AM
Am i way off here?Also, what is a safe direction to you? Have you ever sped in a vehicle? Was it safe? Pretty subjective huh?
Guy on FB just posts a pic of an elk, in modern deer season. He took the picture through his scope. I asked if he was glassing with his scope, he said no his binos are just 10x25 so they suck and he wanted a picture of the elk. He justified it by saying his safety was on and the rifle was pointed in a safe direction. I don't see the rifle being pointed at an animal not legal to take, being a safe direction and see it as a violation of firearms safety protocol, and think it's just as bad as glassing with a scope. What say you?
In my world, no, not subjective at all. You don't point a gun at something you don't want to kill. Simple as that.
Your rifle is always pointed at something. People seem to forget that when talking about the gun safety rules. You intentionally pointing it in a certain direction doesn't make it somehow "point" differently, or be more likely to go off, if you've excercised the other safety rules.
I have no problem with the guy taking a picture through his scope. I do have a big problem with someone glassing me with their rifle while hunting. Big difference in carelessness and intent, IMO.
Post by: Elk4me on October 19, 2015, 04:31:12 PM
Nice buck, and glad you got it done, but do you think he may have been passing on that one? I have bino'ed some deer and found them legal, looked down the scope and decided for one reason or another not to shoot.I watched him get out of his truck without Binos unless they were in his pack. He was parked next to me. I was disabled enough I could only go about fifty yards from the truck and sit down. I watched him do it more than once. And yes, I have pulled my gun up many times to look at animals when they appeared when they are moving and I might have to make a quick shot, but I prefer the binos whenever I can.
Regardless of that situation, I have never just thrown up the rifle and scoped out a situation without putting up the bino's or spotter first.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on October 20, 2015, 12:22:20 AM
Post by: npaull on October 20, 2015, 04:23:02 PM
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Basically, i was taught that if you relax on gun safety, you're eventually going to have an accident. I've seen that happen. Luckily no one was injured or killed, but i've seen someone think, hey i cleared this gun last week, it's empty, but turns out he's been transporting a loaded gun "somehow" and fired off a round when he had no idea there was one in there. I just don't relax on stuff like that. If i saw that, i would unload the gun, put the gun up and wait for the range to clear like anyone else. At the range, on a cold range/paper check, i lean rifles against he bench so the muzzle isn't pointing down range, even though there's RO's walking the concrete to make sure no one goes near guns. I'm a safety nut, everyone should be. I just don't make exceptions. If you have binos, you can take a pic through them.
Seriously, what happened to this? I try to follow this to a T, every time I'm in the presence of a gun.
ANYONE who's "relaxed" around guns is someone *I* can't relax around.
Not only is a gun ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS loaded, it's also ALWAYS just about to go off. At least as far as humans are concerned.
I'll never forget one of the scariest things that's ever happened to me. Hiking in to a duck hunting spot before dawn a couple years ago, I was carrying my shotgun with the butt against my thigh, barrel pointed off away into the air. My dad was hiking about fifteen feet in front of me. Somehow, the brush we were going through managed BOTH to push my safety off and THEN to pull the trigger. The 10-gauge fired off totally without my control or intent, into the air. If it had been angled 15 degrees differently, it would have blown a hole right through my father's spine. Needless to say, I collapsed to the ground shaking with the adrenaline of terror.
It's ALWAYS loaded and it's ALWAYS about to go off. No other attitude is acceptable.
Post by: huntingbaldguy on October 21, 2015, 02:56:44 AM
QuoteBasically, i was taught that if you relax on gun safety, you're eventually going to have an accident. I've seen that happen. Luckily no one was injured or killed, but i've seen someone think, hey i cleared this gun last week, it's empty, but turns out he's been transporting a loaded gun "somehow" and fired off a round when he had no idea there was one in there. I just don't relax on stuff like that. If i saw that, i would unload the gun, put the gun up and wait for the range to clear like anyone else. At the range, on a cold range/paper check, i lean rifles against he bench so the muzzle isn't pointing down range, even though there's RO's walking the concrete to make sure no one goes near guns. I'm a safety nut, everyone should be. I just don't make exceptions. If you have binos, you can take a pic through them.
Seriously, what happened to this? I try to follow this to a T, every time I'm in the presence of a gun.
ANYONE who's "relaxed" around guns is someone *I* can't relax around.
Not only is a gun ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS loaded, it's also ALWAYS just about to go off. At least as far as humans are concerned.
I'll never forget one of the scariest things that's ever happened to me. Hiking in to a duck hunting spot before dawn a couple years ago, I was carrying my shotgun with the butt against my thigh, barrel pointed off away into the air. My dad was hiking about fifteen feet in front of me. Somehow, the brush we were going through managed BOTH to push my safety off and THEN to pull the trigger. The 10-gauge fired off totally without my control or intent, into the air. If it had been angled 15 degrees differently, it would have blown a hole right through my father's spine. Needless to say, I collapsed to the ground shaking with the adrenaline of terror.
It's ALWAYS loaded and it's ALWAYS about to go off. No other attitude is acceptable.
:tup: :yeah:
Post by: phishisgroovin on October 25, 2015, 05:21:22 PM
Last friday i made my way back to camp to check on my brother in law i left up there last weekend (i had to work).
Wife wanted to look at something, stares at stars with them, i got all my clothing packed, rifes packed, forgetting i had removed my field glasses from the truck and took off.
Saturday morning, went a mile or so into area 329 (closed to deer hunting side of colockum) and sighted in my rifle (hoping to scare something juans way and into the legal side of colockum road).
got back to my truck and decided to go pitter putter around and glass some areas i always see deer a few miles away.
Reached for the binos and quickly realized my fat ass is heading back to camp to be lazy.