Post by: heronblu on October 18, 2015, 08:49:32 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on October 18, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
Post by: Turner89 on October 18, 2015, 09:11:30 PM
The few guys I see back there are loggers, or forest managers.......perks of the job, good for them :twocents:
Post by: heronblu on October 18, 2015, 09:29:40 PM
I ride my mt bike 4-6 miles behind tbe gate also. Its a little frustrating when you see a guy in a truck, but I'm not mad........I'm jealous :chuckle: . If I had a key to the gate, my mt bike would stay in the garage.I'm not jealous. I have a key. I like walking or riding my bike in. There's plenty of places you can drive into. I just think "walk in only" places sound be truly walk in only.
The few guys I see back there are loggers, or forest managers.......perks of the job, good for them :twocents:
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 18, 2015, 09:35:28 PM
Post by: mdbuck5x5 on October 18, 2015, 09:52:53 PM
I picked up a hunter today who was 5 miles behind a gate ..that dude walked his arz off ...I ask him what he was going to do if he shot one ..he said " well , I guess I worry about that when the time comes ...
I get the being prepared thing but this is exactly how I hunt otherwise you might as well stay on the roads! Good on him! :tup:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on October 18, 2015, 10:01:57 PM
Post by: RadSav on October 18, 2015, 10:10:22 PM
If I have a favorite hunting spot 6 miles from a gate, and have the opportunity to drive closer, why would I hike the six miles? Does that make me lazy or resourceful?
Post by: TheSkyBuster on October 18, 2015, 10:19:26 PM
Post by: The Weazle on October 18, 2015, 10:33:14 PM
The op refers to them as "lazy", in another thread they are called creepers, for my purposes I will call them "lucky hunters". Those with the connections or the means to hold a gate key are luckier than me. It does seem to be more and more common that I run into hunters driving behind locked gates on timber company land.
Yes. I would love to just be able to drive to pick up an animal I shot walking behind the gates. I have received a ride with an animal after I shot it, and I never once asked the guy how he got a key. Funny how that works...
Post by: tgomez on October 18, 2015, 11:27:31 PM
Post by: grundy53 on October 19, 2015, 05:07:16 AM
Devils advocate here...Some call it lazy. I call it smart.
If I have a favorite hunting spot 6 miles from a gate, and have the opportunity to drive closer, why would I hike the six miles? Does that make me lazy or resourceful?
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Post by: jasnt on October 19, 2015, 05:49:02 AM
Post by: Natas5150 on October 19, 2015, 06:53:10 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 19, 2015, 07:14:56 AM
Post by: jasnt on October 19, 2015, 07:36:47 AM
You guys want a non-vehicle hunting area, try all of the roadless areas in the state, otherwise, you really don't have an excuse to complain.my area is roadless dosent stop the dirt bikes
Post by: turkeyfeather on October 19, 2015, 07:39:54 AM
Post by: bearpaw on October 19, 2015, 07:42:46 AM
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 19, 2015, 07:48:28 AM
Like Bearpaw said - let the road hunters have the roads. Looks like you're able to walk, find public land and push in. After about a half mile you will leave behind 90%+ hunters.
Post by: PlateauNDN on October 19, 2015, 07:55:17 AM
I have found that most Hunters or anybody for that matter who complain about others are usually just mad cause they either didn't think of it first or can't do the same as the person they are complaining about. It's jealousy.
:chuckle: :tup:
Post by: bobcat on October 19, 2015, 07:57:14 AM
For those who say hunt roadless areas- there aren't many roadless areas where you can hunt blacktail deer. The deer are most numerous in clearcut areas, and that of course means there must be roads.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 19, 2015, 08:03:34 AM
This thread is about hiking in 6 miles behind a gate and then being passed up by hunters in a truck. It's understandable to be frustrated in that situation. You're behind a gate where the expectation is that there will be no motorized vehicles.
For those who say hunt roadless areas- there aren't many roadless areas where you can hunt blacktail deer. The deer are most numerous in clearcut areas, and that of course means there must be roads.
Yeah that's fair, didn't think about that. Comes with the territory though. Any logger that has the keys and a hunting tag could show up at any time.
Post by: stryker on October 19, 2015, 08:06:45 AM
The op refers to them as "lazy", in another thread they are called creepers, for my purposes I will call them "lucky hunters". Those with the connections or the means to hold a gate key are luckier than me. It does seem to be more and more common that I run into hunters driving behind locked gates on timber company land.
I'll let you in on a secret "connection" of mine.
http://www.hancockrecreationnw.com/
Sorry guys, if you hunt in an area will well used logging roads... that has recreational passes for sale... what do you expect?
I SPECIFICALLY bought my pass so that I can drive in.
Post by: heronblu on October 19, 2015, 08:16:52 AM
This thread is about hiking in 6 miles behind a gate and then being passed up by hunters in a truck. It's understandable to be frustrated in that situation. You're behind a gate where the expectation is that there will be no motorized vehicles.thanks bobcat for seeing the point of my gripe.
For those who say hunt roadless areas- there aren't many roadless areas where you can hunt blacktail deer. The deer are most numerous in clearcut areas, and that of course means there must be roads.
Post by: heronblu on October 19, 2015, 08:18:57 AM
The logging company who's land I hunt does not offer this option. They clearly state that all of their land is non motorized access only.The op refers to them as "lazy", in another thread they are called creepers, for my purposes I will call them "lucky hunters". Those with the connections or the means to hold a gate key are luckier than me. It does seem to be more and more common that I run into hunters driving behind locked gates on timber company land.
I'll let you in on a secret "connection" of mine.
http://www.hancockrecreationnw.com/
Sorry guys, if you hunt in an area will well used logging roads... that has recreational passes for sale... what do you expect?
I SPECIFICALLY bought my pass so that I can drive in.
Post by: grundy53 on October 19, 2015, 08:24:49 AM
This thread is about hiking in 6 miles behind a gate and then being passed up by hunters in a truck. It's understandable to be frustrated in that situation. You're behind a gate where the expectation is that there will be no motorized vehicles.My biggest problem with what he has to say is calling someone lazy for not hiking 6 miles when they don't have to.
For those who say hunt roadless areas- there aren't many roadless areas where you can hunt blacktail deer. The deer are most numerous in clearcut areas, and that of course means there must be roads.
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Post by: lokidog on October 19, 2015, 08:27:55 AM
I see it as more of a fairness thing rather than a jealousy thing. I'm also not referring to disabled hunters with permits.
:twocents:
Post by: grundy53 on October 19, 2015, 08:35:05 AM
I used to be married to a DNR employee who had gate keys, she NEVER abused them by using the keys for personal gain. It comes back to that good old ethics thing (you know, personal code of conduct). Our choice was to be ethical (and maybe even not break DNR rules) by not using the keys. It is incredibly annoying, as the OP indicated, when you hike/bike into an area with the expectation that others will be following the "rules" and do the same thing as you, especially when signs on gates indicate things like "No Unauthorized Vehicle Access". And before I get called out on the word "authorized", I'm guessing 4-wheelers and hunters are not in the "authorized" category, at least on the DNR lands that I used to walk in on.I agree with you on DNR land since that is state land held in trust for all of us. However I don't agree if it's private timber land. Logging is one of the hardest jobs there is and I consider it one of the few perks of the job for them to be able to drive behind the gates. As long as the land owner is okay with it of course.
I see it as more of a fairness thing rather than a jealousy thing. I'm also not referring to disabled hunters with permits.
:twocents:
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Post by: TheSkyBuster on October 19, 2015, 10:32:50 AM
The logging company who's land I hunt does not offer this option. They clearly state that all of their land is non motorized access only.The op refers to them as "lazy", in another thread they are called creepers, for my purposes I will call them "lucky hunters". Those with the connections or the means to hold a gate key are luckier than me. It does seem to be more and more common that I run into hunters driving behind locked gates on timber company land.
I'll let you in on a secret "connection" of mine.
http://www.hancockrecreationnw.com/
Sorry guys, if you hunt in an area will well used logging roads... that has recreational passes for sale... what do you expect?
I SPECIFICALLY bought my pass so that I can drive in.
:yeah:
Same with the area I hunt. The sign says no unauthorized motor vehicles. However the timber co. Grants gate access to special elk permit holders, for hunting elk. And I suspect some of them use their keys to hunt deer as well.
Post by: wooltie on October 19, 2015, 10:54:18 AM
in 418 this weekend, I attempted to hunt on DNR land. The gohunt map shows a small parcel of non DNR land located between the access gate and a huge chunk of DNR land--talking 10 times more DNR land than this small 'unidentified' parcel. Weyerhauser had posted a 'permit required' sign on the gate to the only road leading into this parcel and DNR land.
The other gate was posted as private timber, but the sign indicated that day use was allowed and did not mention any permit requirements. However, the sign also said the land could be closed for fire danger. And a 'closed for fire danger' sign was posted on another tree next to the gate, probably put up during the summer but wasn't removed.
So I didn't walk in. Playing by the rules is frustrating. Finding those private timber areas which allow day use seems to be a good but, but I'm just about resolved to hunt wilderness only. Last time I checked you can't drive a truck up a trail to 5000'.
Post by: blackmouther on October 19, 2015, 11:08:04 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 19, 2015, 11:16:51 AM
Sometimes this means getting up at 0200 and creeping miles through the dark to get to a stand. Other times it means sleeping in late and then road hunting.
Anymore and I don't worry about it, it all works out and I usually get a buck anyway.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 19, 2015, 03:06:46 PM
Seems like everyone and their brother have the magic keys to the logging gates these days. Pretty frustrating when you hike 6 miles in the dark and some lazy truck hunter rolls up behind you in his diesel. I wonder why I didn't see any deer today? I gotta find some private land to hunt.
So, what you're saying is that if you had the keys to the gate and could drive the roads to get where you want to go, you wouldn't because that would make you a lazy hunter? It's how the rules are set up that suck, not the hunters. :twocents:
Post by: LeviD1 on October 19, 2015, 04:34:22 PM
Post by: TheSkyBuster on October 19, 2015, 04:37:26 PM
It's how the rules are set up that suck, not the hunters. :twocents:
:yeah:
Just another case of "life ain't fair" :chuckle:
Post by: heronblu on October 19, 2015, 06:45:15 PM
Post by: RadSav on October 19, 2015, 06:56:25 PM
Just another case of "life ain't fair" :chuckle:
It's true - Life ain't fair. Those successful in life and hunting find a way to deal with it.
Doesn't mean we all have to like it though! ;)
Post by: KFhunter on October 19, 2015, 06:57:45 PM
Post by: tgomez on October 19, 2015, 07:16:29 PM
Post by: jkthomps on October 19, 2015, 08:52:22 PM
I'm lazy. I look for the easiest way to have a successful hunt :hello:X2 every situation has a different method for me...
Sometimes this means getting up at 0200 and creeping miles through the dark to get to a stand. Other times it means sleeping in late and then road hunting.
Anymore and I don't worry about it, it all works out and I usually get a buck anyway.
Post by: Little Dave on October 19, 2015, 08:54:13 PM
Post by: jasnt on October 19, 2015, 08:59:57 PM
The frustration is understandable if you didn't expect that to happen. Now that you know, adapt to it and use it to your advantage. See if you can position yourself so that such a disturbance flushes the game to where you are. Then call them over to help take pictures. Never know, they might have fresh coffee and donuts.:tup: great attitude!!
Post by: Turner89 on October 19, 2015, 09:15:27 PM
:yeah:I used to be married to a DNR employee who had gate keys, she NEVER abused them by using the keys for personal gain. It comes back to that good old ethics thing (you know, personal code of conduct). Our choice was to be ethical (and maybe even not break DNR rules) by not using the keys. It is incredibly annoying, as the OP indicated, when you hike/bike into an area with the expectation that others will be following the "rules" and do the same thing as you, especially when signs on gates indicate things like "No Unauthorized Vehicle Access". And before I get called out on the word "authorized", I'm guessing 4-wheelers and hunters are not in the "authorized" category, at least on the DNR lands that I used to walk in on.I agree with you on DNR land since that is state land held in trust for all of us. However I don't agree if it's private timber land. Logging is one of the hardest jobs there is and I consider it one of the few perks of the job for them to be able to drive behind the gates. As long as the land owner is okay with it of course.
I see it as more of a fairness thing rather than a jealousy thing. I'm also not referring to disabled hunters with permits.
:twocents:
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I agree with this 100%. Also the DNR land I hunt have main roads that travel throughout the land, but most if not all the spur roads that lead to a great amount of clearcuts are blocked with dig outs, or piles of stumps. These cuts are usually better hunting than the cuts along the main lines. The lucky guys with the key to the gate usually stick to where they can drive. :twocents:
Post by: FLIZZ on October 19, 2015, 10:31:44 PM
Post by: RadSav on October 20, 2015, 12:55:40 AM
I'm lazy. I look for the easiest way to have a successful hunt :hello:
Sometimes this means getting up at 0200 and creeping miles through the dark to get to a stand. Other times it means sleeping in late and then road hunting.
Anymore and I don't worry about it, it all works out and I usually get a buck anyway.
That's very much my take.
I used to hunt elk at the top of some cliffs. On cold mornings they would bed on the rim and catch some sun. Would take me three hours climbing in the dark to reach the bedding grounds. Then one year I get to the top a little late because of ice and there is a guy in his late 70's with a bloody arrow. I ask, "How in the *&%# did you get up here?" He laughs at me and says, "You do know there is a road at the end of these cliffs, don't you?" I never climbed those cliffs again. Does that mean I became lazy? Maybe :dunno:
Wife and I hunt the blacktail rut by walking a bunch of short trails and old skid roads. We hit spot #1 and walk it. Then drive to spot #2 and walk it. Then drive to spot #3 and walk it...Rinse repeat... On an average day we do this a half dozen times. We might have six or eight miles between spots. The hour long walks are enjoyable and we see some really good animals. However, our biggest bucks have happened by luck after spotting them from the truck between spots. Does that make us lazy hunters? :dunno:
The day my wife killed her last good bull we hiked from sun up till less than an hour before dark. Wife says it was the hardest day of hunting she has ever experienced. She was completely spent after 15 miles of hiking, nine creek crossings, wet to the bone and not a single elk seen. She was so tired she sat down the moment we hit the road and told me to go get the truck and bring it to her. She wasn't going to take another step! I get the truck about another half mile up hill and drive down to her. She gets in, turns the heater on high, and says "Point it home Baby!" I barely get the truck moving and there is a big bull standing 58 yards off her side. She jumps out, gets ten yards off the road and puts an arrow where it counts. Does that make her a lazy hunter? :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 20, 2015, 07:34:07 AM
I'm lazy. I look for the easiest way to have a successful hunt :hello:
Sometimes this means getting up at 0200 and creeping miles through the dark to get to a stand. Other times it means sleeping in late and then road hunting.
Anymore and I don't worry about it, it all works out and I usually get a buck anyway.
That's very much my take.
I used to hunt elk at the top of some cliffs. On cold mornings they would bed on the rim and catch some sun. Would take me three hours climbing in the dark to reach the bedding grounds. Then one year I get to the top a little late because of ice and there is a guy in his late 70's with a bloody arrow. I ask, "How in the *&%# did you get up here?" He laughs at me and says, "You do know there is a road at the end of these cliffs, don't you?" I never climbed those cliffs again. Does that mean I became lazy? Maybe :dunno:
Wife and I hunt the blacktail rut by walking a bunch of short trails and old skid roads. We hit spot #1 and walk it. Then drive to spot #2 and walk it. Then drive to spot #3 and walk it...Rinse repeat... On an average day we do this a half dozen times. We might have six or eight miles between spots. The hour long walks are enjoyable and we see some really good animals. However, our biggest bucks have happened by luck after spotting them from the truck between spots. Does that make us lazy hunters? :dunno:
The day my wife killed her last good bull we hiked from sun up till less than an hour before dark. Wife says it was the hardest day of hunting she has ever experienced. She was completely spent after 15 miles of hiking, nine creek crossings, wet to the bone and not a single elk seen. She was so tired she sat down the moment we hit the road and told me to go get the truck and bring it to her. She wasn't going to take another step! I get the truck about another half mile up hill and drive down to her. She gets in, turns the heater on high, and says "Point it home Baby!" I barely get the truck moving and there is a big bull standing 58 yards off her side. He jumps out, gets ten yards off the road and puts an arrow where it counts. Does that make her a lazy hunter? :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I need to get more lazy. My freezer is empty after a lot of hard work. LOL
Post by: heronblu on October 20, 2015, 06:59:55 PM
Post by: bobcat on October 20, 2015, 07:10:52 PM
Post by: RadSav on October 20, 2015, 07:20:42 PM
I am realizing that my choice of the word "lazy" was not altogether accurate or appropriate. Mostly my frustration stems from wanting a more or less equal playing field when it comes to hunting. I walk because the sign says "walk in only" and because I enjoy that type of hunting. I appreciate the loggers and road builders that put in the hard work that enables me to walk into these areas and glass clearcuts so I've nothing against them necessarily. Simply put it's just that in my area hunting is difficult, deer are scarce and I had a frustrating weekend. Ill feel a whole lot better, and stop complaining when I fill my tags :chuckle:
Secret to a successful marriage, the daily commute and a happy hunt is in the art of bashing. Done properly it releases stress and allows you to return home, to work or to the happy hunting grounds free from the pain and frustrations of the past. I know I always feel better after flipping the bird in a fit of profanity at that lady who is putting on her makeup while driving 15 mph under the speed limit in the fast lane. :chuckle:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 20, 2015, 07:33:13 PM
I see nothing wrong with using the word "lazy" when it's being used to describe what is assumed to be people illegally driving into an area that is closed to motorized vehicles.
People whine about road hunting all the time bobcat, key word, assumed, to be illegally driving. Just saying'.
Post by: bobcat on October 20, 2015, 07:34:57 PM
I see nothing wrong with using the word "lazy" when it's being used to describe what is assumed to be people illegally driving into an area that is closed to motorized vehicles.
People whine about road hunting all the time bobcat, key word, assumed, to be illegally driving. Just saying'.
Right, and in a gated area with signs that say "no motorized vehicles," isn't that normally an accurate assumption?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 20, 2015, 07:42:25 PM
I see nothing wrong with using the word "lazy" when it's being used to describe what is assumed to be people illegally driving into an area that is closed to motorized vehicles.
People whine about road hunting all the time bobcat, key word, assumed, to be illegally driving. Just saying'.
Right, and in a gated area with signs that say "no motorized vehicles," isn't that normally an accurate assumption?
You'd think, but if a person complains, but doesn't know why the vehicle is behind a gate, they have no reason to complain about it, the way I look at it.
Post by: Tbar on October 20, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
Post by: grundy53 on October 20, 2015, 08:16:19 PM
Maybe an ATV. If I see a truck behind a locked gate I figure he has a key. If he has a key I figure he's authorized.I see nothing wrong with using the word "lazy" when it's being used to describe what is assumed to be people illegally driving into an area that is closed to motorized vehicles.
People whine about road hunting all the time bobcat, key word, assumed, to be illegally driving. Just saying'.
Right, and in a gated area with signs that say "no motorized vehicles," isn't that normally an accurate assumption?
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Post by: Piscatory_5 on October 23, 2015, 02:07:36 PM
Maybe, but those vehicles may be permitted brush pickers or mushroomers looking to fill their weekly allotment if venison. 😈I see nothing wrong with using the word "lazy" when it's being used to describe what is assumed to be people illegally driving into an area that is closed to motorized vehicles.
People whine about road hunting all the time bobcat, key word, assumed, to be illegally driving. Just saying'.
Right, and in a gated area with signs that say "no motorized vehicles," isn't that normally an accurate assumption?
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 23, 2015, 02:15:12 PM
I see nothing wrong with using the word "lazy" when it's being used to describe what is assumed to be people illegally driving into an area that is closed to motorized vehicles.
People whine about road hunting all the time bobcat, key word, assumed, to be illegally driving. Just saying'.
Right, and in a gated area with signs that say "no motorized vehicles," isn't that normally an accurate assumption?
You'd think, but if a person complains, but doesn't know why the vehicle is behind a gate, they have no reason to complain about it, the way I look at it.
We used to hunt Hancock land out in the Ryderwood and Willapa Hills areas. The gates were closed and we had to walk in. They gave their employees keys and allowed them to drive the roads. It was discouraging but at least we weren't paying for access. Then, it would have ticked me off greatly.