Post by: yankees2 on October 20, 2015, 08:05:30 PM
Post by: Trapper John on October 21, 2015, 08:48:07 PM
Muskrats & Muskrat ~ colony trap in water 6"x6"x24" ~ home made 1"x1" cage wire
Mink ~ on land ~ 9"x9"x24" ~ Tomahawk trap ~ single door
Raccoon ~ cage trap 10"x12"x32" ~ Tomahawk Cage trap Company ~ single door
Skunk ~ cage or plastic tunnel trap 9"x9"x24" or 10"x12"x32" ~ single door
Beaver ~ Hancock Beaver/Otter trap ~ been using them for 30 years
R. Otter ~ Hancock on land or water, or Havahart model 1081 cage trap on land
Bobcat ~ cage trap ~ I have caught them in a raccoon size trap 10"x12"x32" up to Havahart 1081. Cats will go into almost any size from 10"wide 10" high 32" long or longer. Have you ever watch your house cat slitter down on the ground for something? Bobcats are the same so height to me is not a big deal.
Coyote ~ "They will not go into a cage trap 1 out of 1,000 maybe I know I got that one" So I will get a permit and use foot-hold traps. #3 coil or long spring trap, nothing bigger and nothing smaller either. "OR" Belisle foot-snare
JC :hello:
Post by: yankees2 on October 21, 2015, 09:50:06 PM
Now that's a good question, since we're in Washington State and can only use cage traps:
Muskrats & Muskrat ~ colony trap in water 6"x6"x24" ~ home made 1"x1" cage wire
Mink ~ on land ~ 9"x9"x24" ~ Tomahawk trap ~ single door
Raccoon ~ cage trap 10"x12"x32" ~ Tomahawk Cage trap Company ~ single door
Skunk ~ cage or plastic tunnel trap 9"x9"x24" or 10"x12"x32" ~ single door
Beaver ~ Hancock Beaver/Otter trap ~ been using them for 30 years
R. Otter ~ Hancock on land or water, or Havahart model 1081 cage trap on land
Bobcat ~ cage trap ~ I have caught them in a raccoon size trap 10"x12"x32" up to Havahart 1081. Cats will go into almost any size from 10"wide 10" high 32" long or longer. Have you ever watch your house cat slitter down on the ground for something? Bobcats are the same so height to me is not a big deal.
Coyote ~ "They will not go into a cage trap 1 out of 1,000 maybe I know I got that one" So I will get a permit and use foot-hold traps. #3 coil or long spring trap, nothing bigger and nothing smaller either. "OR" Belisle foot-snare
JC :hello:
So you can trap with footholds just only under a certain permit? Can you explain to me sorry pretty much a newby
Post by: Machias on October 22, 2015, 07:56:10 AM
MB 450 Fox
MB 750 Beaver
110 Muskrat
120 & 160 Mink
Belisle 220 Otter
Belisle 330 Beaver and Otter
Duke DPs Coon
Post by: Hannibal on October 22, 2015, 04:52:58 PM
Post by: Trapper John on October 22, 2015, 08:08:24 PM
Now that's a good question, since we're in Washington State and can only use cage traps:
Muskrats & Muskrat ~ colony trap in water 6"x6"x24" ~ home made 1"x1" cage wire
Mink ~ on land ~ 9"x9"x24" ~ Tomahawk trap ~ single door
Raccoon ~ cage trap 10"x12"x32" ~ Tomahawk Cage trap Company ~ single door
Skunk ~ cage or plastic tunnel trap 9"x9"x24" or 10"x12"x32" ~ single door
Beaver ~ Hancock Beaver/Otter trap ~ been using them for 30 years
R. Otter ~ Hancock on land or water, or Havahart model 1081 cage trap on land
Bobcat ~ cage trap ~ I have caught them in a raccoon size trap 10"x12"x32" up to Havahart 1081. Cats will go into almost any size from 10"wide 10" high 32" long or longer. Have you ever watch your house cat slitter down on the ground for something? Bobcats are the same so height to me is not a big deal.
Coyote ~ "They will not go into a cage trap 1 out of 1,000 maybe I know I got that one" So I will get a permit and use foot-hold traps. #3 coil or long spring trap, nothing bigger and nothing smaller either. "OR" Belisle foot-snare
JC :hello:
So you can trap with footholds just only under a certain permit? Can you explain to me sorry pretty much a newby
Sure will
Lets say that you know a Rancher down the road and he has a problem with coyotes killing his sheep. Everybody knows that it is real, real hard to get coyotes into a cage trap. (Oh believe me, I've tried several times over years) So the only way to catch coyotes is to use a foot-hold trap or a foot-snare. (Ya I know, I love next snares but that's another story for another day)
So you contact the Washington State Department of Fish & Wildlife (NWCO Program) and put in for a depredation permit.
You can do this under Initiative 713. Once you have the permit, you can use either the foot-hold or the foot-snare.
The bad thing here is that you cannot sell the fur under I-713 because you got the permit. You can keep it and use it for you're own personal use, but you cannot sell it in the raw stage. If it is tanned the department says you still can't sell it but WSTA President and some of us are working to straighten this issue out.
So how do you make money on what you just did? You can charge the Rancher for your service or use it for your own wants.
I hope this helped you somewhat.
JC :hello
Post by: Trapper John on October 22, 2015, 08:14:45 PM
MB 550 Coyote and BobcatWOW, Machais ......................... now I know where my MB and Belisle traps went :chuckle:
MB 450 Fox
MB 750 Beaver
110 Muskrat
120 & 160 Mink
Belisle 220 Otter
Belisle 330 Beaver and Otter
Duke DPs Coon
Damn, I think I have the same things. Love those MB traps ~ and Belisle ~ I think are the cats meow.
I've been using these traps for years. They cost a little more but worth every penny.
JC :hello:
Post by: Hannibal on October 22, 2015, 09:06:35 PM
Post by: outdooraddict on October 22, 2015, 09:30:42 PM
Post by: Hannibal on October 22, 2015, 11:34:19 PM
Post by: Humptulips on October 23, 2015, 09:32:49 AM
how difficult is it to obtain the foothold permit, does wdfw come look at the land, does the landowner need to make the call to them or does the trapper get the authority to arrange the permit
If you are a WCO or a landowner should be easy. If you are not a WCO best to let the landowner apply. If you fill out the application correctly they will issue it unless you are asking for something crazy like footholds in the middle of Seattle.
They pretty much never check the land. The main thing is to file the paperwork correctly.
Post by: winslow on October 30, 2015, 06:23:05 PM
Bruce, I know you were working on this, any good news on that front?
Winslow
Post by: Humptulips on October 30, 2015, 06:32:06 PM
It should be noted that there are fairly strict "no compensation" requirements for non-WCOs trapping on someone else's land under a special trapping permit. Basically, anything, including the opportunity to trap, can be construed as "compensation" and is not allowed. A wrinkle to the loophole already discussed.
Bruce, I know you were working on this, any good news on that front?
Winslow
Right now the law reads that you cannot trap for a "fee or other consideration" unless you are a WCO. Right now it is in the works to change the wording to just "fee" and delete the words "other consideration". This should make it easier for non-WCOs to trap problem animals without running afoul of the law.
If this passes it will take effect in January.