Post by: jasnt on October 21, 2015, 06:02:27 AM
http://q13fox.com/2015/10/20/inslee-reverses-panels-decision-to-increase-cougar-hunts/
I didn't think he had any control over such issues?
:bash:
Post by: Elkpiss on October 21, 2015, 07:51:29 AM
Post by: CoryTDF on October 21, 2015, 08:23:57 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 21, 2015, 08:43:30 AM
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 08:43:47 AM
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The governor says he’s directing the commission to get public comment before putting the higher quotas in place.
Interesting, public comment trumps biologists research reports now huh, we'll have to remember this precedent.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on October 21, 2015, 08:55:22 AM
Post by: Ripper on October 21, 2015, 09:03:27 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 21, 2015, 09:28:06 AM
How much or what kind of public input would be acceptable for overriding a biologist, though? Local to the area, as in the NE and the wolf problem? Hunters-some of which are also long time locals, like in the Methow and the doe tag issue? Just kind of curious. I talked to a bio last Nov and he was spewing the WSU cougar BS and predator love; so IMO I wouldn't want him making any cougar decisions.QuoteThe governor says he’s directing the commission to get public comment before putting the higher quotas in place.
Interesting, public comment trumps biologists research reports now huh, we'll have to remember this precedent.
Post by: jasnt on October 21, 2015, 10:46:03 AM
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 10:48:37 AM
How much or what kind of public input would be acceptable for overriding a biologist, though? Local to the area, as in the NE and the wolf problem? Hunters-some of which are also long time locals, like in the Methow and the doe tag issue? Just kind of curious. I talked to a bio last Nov and he was spewing the WSU cougar BS and predator love; so IMO I wouldn't want him making any cougar decisions.QuoteThe governor says he’s directing the commission to get public comment before putting the higher quotas in place.
Interesting, public comment trumps biologists research reports now huh, we'll have to remember this precedent.
My point being that there was zero public comment requested before the knee jerk reaction last year to hand out 1000 additional doe tags in 3 Methow Valley units as a example.
It seems the governor is picking and choosing which issues he decides warrant public opinion, based on which special interest group supports his re election coffers. :twocents:
Post by: Practical Approach on October 21, 2015, 10:51:12 AM
I doubt they'll have any problems getting the public to comment in support of raising the quota.... Unless their town halls are all in Olympia.
The public (King, Pierce, Snohomish) counties are the ones who essentially banned hound hunting for cougars. They will also weigh in heavily in support of reduced cougar quotas.
I agree, the general public should not have an over ruling voice in managing wildlife.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 21, 2015, 10:57:21 AM
the huggers must've mentioned the E word to him.......election
There's definitely money involved. Always follow the money. I can almost guarantee a campaign donation from the HSUS, DOW, and the Sierra Club within 60 days.
Post by: Jonathan_S on October 21, 2015, 11:14:59 AM
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2015, 10:02:13 PM
The governor says he’s directing the commission to get public comment before putting the higher quotas in place."
Are you kidding me?? So because we have wolves in our state we should kill more cougars? I'm all for cougar hunting but that is such a stupid ass reason to raise the harvest.
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 10:06:36 PM
"In April, the commission increased the cougar harvest rate in 14 areas of the state as a way to ease tensions in communities dealing with wolves.
The governor says he’s directing the commission to get public comment before putting the higher quotas in place."
Are you kidding me?? So because we have wolves in our state we should kill more cougars? I'm all for cougar hunting but that is such a stupid ass reason to raise the harvest.
If the area can only sustain a set level of predators, a new apex predator has been inserted into the Eco system that is federally protected and can not be hunted, then that leaves the federally unprotected to take the hit in numbers to maintain the ungulate (food) supply.
Which part do you not understand? :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on October 21, 2015, 10:15:16 PM
"In April, the commission increased the cougar harvest rate in 14 areas of the state as a way to ease tensions in communities dealing with wolves.
The governor says he’s directing the commission to get public comment before putting the higher quotas in place."
Are you kidding me?? So because we have wolves in our state we should kill more cougars? I'm all for cougar hunting but that is such a stupid ass reason to raise the harvest.
If the area can only sustain a set level of predators, a new apex predator has been inserted into the Eco system that is federally protected and can not be hunted, then that leaves the federally unprotected to take the hit in numbers to maintain the ungulate (food) supply.
Which part do you not understand? :dunno:
:yeah: Seems reasonable to me. Especially since any reason is a good reason to kill more cougars in this state. With no hounds allowed, it's unlikely we'll ever put a dent in the population anyway.
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2015, 10:17:51 PM
"In April, the commission increased the cougar harvest rate in 14 areas of the state as a way to ease tensions in communities dealing with wolves.
The governor says he’s directing the commission to get public comment before putting the higher quotas in place."
Are you kidding me?? So because we have wolves in our state we should kill more cougars? I'm all for cougar hunting but that is such a stupid ass reason to raise the harvest.
If the area can only sustain a set level of predators, a new apex predator has been inserted into the Eco system that is federally protected and can not be hunted, then that leaves the federally unprotected to take the hit in numbers to maintain the ungulate (food) supply.
Which part do you not understand? :dunno:
I understand that is happening. I don't understand how that is justifiable...
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 10:21:26 PM
"In April, the commission increased the cougar harvest rate in 14 areas of the state as a way to ease tensions in communities dealing with wolves.
The governor says he’s directing the commission to get public comment before putting the higher quotas in place."
Are you kidding me?? So because we have wolves in our state we should kill more cougars? I'm all for cougar hunting but that is such a stupid ass reason to raise the harvest.
If the area can only sustain a set level of predators, a new apex predator has been inserted into the Eco system that is federally protected and can not be hunted, then that leaves the federally unprotected to take the hit in numbers to maintain the ungulate (food) supply.
Which part do you not understand? :dunno:
I understand that is happening. I don't understand how that is justifiable...
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how this situation should be handled then? :dunno:
Post by: Skillet on October 21, 2015, 10:27:28 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 10:37:13 PM
Just to be clear - you don't understand how raising the cougar harvest to offset the increased predation by an untouchable predator is justifiable? Or you don't understand how Inslee can justify pandering to the emotions of his electorate over professional advice from biologists regarding necessary predator management?
It's perfectly clear what he/she is saying!
Are you kidding me?? So because we have wolves in our state we should kill more cougars? I'm all for cougar hunting but that is such a stupid ass reason to raise the harvest.
Pretty obvious to me anyway!
Post by: Skillet on October 21, 2015, 10:44:47 PM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.cashcrate.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FWaffles.jpg&hash=82c2a2610903122fa4b743cbabbfe36d8bc44490)
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2015, 10:52:17 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 10:55:52 PM
As simple and as brief as I can put it, it's not fair to the kitties.
I'm all ears, what is the alternative solution?
Post by: jasnt on October 21, 2015, 10:57:08 PM
I have not heard back from unsworn he yet but I have been following this cougar issue for quite some time. You need to realize that these few areas normally fill there quota by dec31st or shortly after. That's huge when I comes from only boot hunters and not hound hunters. Most people will go there whole life with out seeing a cougar yet in 117 and 113 alone I've seen 6 in the last 3 years and called in 4 more I didn't get my eyes on but they did exchange vocals with me. These areas need an increase in harvest! Not only for the ungulates but for the cougar as well. They are depleting there food which I'll agrea are also sharing with wolves now and also they have been under harvested for years now because boot hunters don't get the option to pass on young cats and harvest only old mature toms like hound hunters can. Instead we take what few we happen upon and that means many of the cougar taken are young juveniles that may have died any way threw natural selection(starve or get killed by mature toms) that means that some of the cougar taken would have died anyway and those old mature toms are loosing there re productivity or breading there daughters. Do some research on the subject before you have the knee jerk and realize that wsu's suggestion on cougar harvest was 12%. We have been taking 4-5% of the estamatrd population for over 10 years now
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2015, 10:58:20 PM
As simple and as brief as I can put it, it's not fair to the kitties.
I'm all ears, what is the alternative solution?
Give farmers a small settlement to build fences worthy enough to keep them out?
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 10:59:46 PM
It may be clear to you phool, but I've seen enough ridiculousness on this forum to know when someone makes a strong statement and then quickly starts making breakfast...
I hear ya, waiting for CT to prove my initial assessment incorrect.................I hope I'm wrong!
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 11:01:06 PM
As simple and as brief as I can put it, it's not fair to the kitties.
I'm all ears, what is the alternative solution?
Give farmers a small settlement to build fences worthy enough to keep them out?
Farmers?
Post by: Skillet on October 21, 2015, 11:02:36 PM
As simple and as brief as I can put it, it's not fair to the kitties.This isn't a real discussion imho, don't take the troll bait... :twocents:
As simple and as brief as I can put it, it's not fair to the kitties.
I'm all ears, what is the alternative solution?
Give farmers a small settlement to build fences worthy enough to keep them out?
:DOH:
Post by: UrbanTrapper on October 21, 2015, 11:12:12 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 11:16:55 PM
' First, HSUS is not a conservation group, it is an animal rights group, and an extreme and corrupt one at that. We can't let journalists and the left get away with calling them a 'conservation group'. Second, HSUS should not even be able to have 'Humane Society' in its name but it uses this to get millions from little old ladies who think they are giving to their local animal shelter. Third, no mention is made in the article that, in the largest forfeiture of its kind in U.S. history, HSUS paid Ringling Bros. $15 Million to settle a corrupt organizations and racketeering (RICO) lawsuit that included charges of bribery, money laundering, and obstruction of justice. How do journalists get away with such blatant misrepresentations of the facts? How does an organization like HSUS get favorable press coverage and have such big influence on the Governor?
It's a infectious disease called "liberal bias"
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2015, 11:20:39 PM
Post by: 2labs on October 21, 2015, 11:26:52 PM
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 11:30:23 PM
Such simple pumpkins around
I figured as much, clueless, liberal propagandist, that can't express a opinion other than what's supplied to them. :chuckle:
Thanks for exposing yourself right away Cthulhu, you might study up for that Mensa exam. ;)
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 11:32:17 PM
Mags Knocker love child? :dunno:
Don't lump mags in with this intellectual, mags does make some good arguments at times...........knocker on the other hand........ :chuckle:
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2015, 11:33:06 PM
Such simple pumpkins around
I figured as much, clueless, liberal propagandist, that can't express a opinion other than what's supplied to them. :chuckle:
Thanks for exposing yourself right away Cthulhu, you might study up for that Mensa exam. ;)
LOL You're the most ignorant person I have seen on this forum so far. "Someone isn't agreeing with everything I'm saying! LIBERAL WOLF LOVING PROPAGANDA TREE HUGGIN GRANOLA!!!!"
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 11:35:34 PM
Such simple pumpkins around
I figured as much, clueless, liberal propagandist, that can't express a opinion other than what's supplied to them. :chuckle:
Thanks for exposing yourself right away Cthulhu, you might study up for that Mensa exam. ;)
LOL You're the most ignorant person I have seen on this forum so far. "Someone isn't agreeing with everything I'm saying! LIBERAL WOLF LOVING PROPAGANDA TREE HUGGIN GRANOLA!!!!"
You were asked for your idea of a solution, all you can add is "it's not fair"? Brilliant!!! :chuckle:
And if you can point out where I said anything in this thread about "wolf loving" or "tree hugging" or "granola" then please do. ;)
But if the Birkenstock fits........ :chuckle:
Post by: huntnphool on October 21, 2015, 11:54:34 PM
I'll tell you what, you go ahead and keep forwarding this link to your anti hunting, HSUS, CNW buddies, and feel free to copy/paste your next witty reply when you get what you consider a viable retort, I'll read it and get my morning chuckle in a few hours. :tup:
Have a good night! ;)
Post by: Cthulhu on October 21, 2015, 11:56:59 PM
It's getting late Cthulhu and I'm tired of waiting for your next anti regurgitation.
I'll tell you what, you go ahead and keep forwarding this link to your anti hunting, HSUS, CNW buddies, and feel free to copy/paste your next witty reply when you get what you consider a viable retort, I'll read it and get my morning chuckle in a few hours. :tup:
Have a good night! ;)
You're a damn good troll
Post by: MountainWalk on October 22, 2015, 12:19:43 AM
Post by: grundy53 on October 22, 2015, 03:38:04 AM
As simple and as brief as I can put it, it's not fair to the kitties.:puke:
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