Post by: demontang on October 26, 2015, 07:17:05 PM
Post by: BNAElkhntr on October 26, 2015, 07:35:28 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 26, 2015, 07:42:22 PM
demon let her bust one with it. I know one native hunter that killed over 100 elk with a 243. I have seen several killed with a 243 myself. A 90 grain accubond will handle any elk that walks.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on October 26, 2015, 07:45:34 PM
Nothing wrong with 6mm
Post by: jackelope on October 26, 2015, 07:50:06 PM
Post by: jrebel on October 26, 2015, 07:50:23 PM
Post by: snowshoes22 on October 26, 2015, 07:55:23 PM
Post by: runamuk on October 26, 2015, 07:56:52 PM
:chuckle: All these guys with there thoughts of 243 being unethical for elk. I don't know why people think you need a magnum to kill a elk.:yeah: and if that's the gun she is comfortable with then that is the gun she will be best with. You could use yardage to compensate and plan to only shoot inside 100yds if that makes everyone feels more ethical. but they hunt caribou with 22 in AK admittedly its headshots but WA's laws are based on silliness in many cases and things that make non hunters feel good, not actual good hunting.
demon let her bust one with it. I know one native hunter that killed over 100 elk with a 243. I have seen several killed with a 243 myself. A 90 grain accubond will handle any elk that walks.
22 is the number one poacher round, its quiet and lethal ..just saying
Post by: snowshoes22 on October 26, 2015, 07:59:05 PM
Post by: coachcw on October 26, 2015, 08:03:52 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 26, 2015, 08:05:36 PM
6x6.8 SPC @ 60 yards.
90gr Accubond @ 2910fps DRT! BANG-FLOP!
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Entrance right side of the photo, exit left.
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6x6.8 SPC @ 287 yards
95gr Hornady SST. DRT! BANG-FLOP!
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Entrance/Impact
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Exit
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Impact left/ Exit right.
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Some of her tenderloin as of a hour or so ago.
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I'll take a poke at a Elk with the Accubond combo next week. Besides plenty more in the mag, I have no problem shooting a animal into the ground. End results the same.
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Post by: Remnar on October 26, 2015, 08:16:16 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 26, 2015, 08:18:28 PM
Post by: Bob33 on October 26, 2015, 08:38:24 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on October 26, 2015, 08:45:23 PM
If shot placement is all that matters, try hunting cape buffalo with a 22 and let us know how it goes. ;)
:yeah:
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 26, 2015, 08:47:22 PM
If shot placement is all that matters, try hunting cape buffalo with a 22 and let us know how it goes. ;)
Now, back to the real world.
Post by: Bob33 on October 26, 2015, 08:51:25 PM
The real world is that some calibers and bullets perform better than others.If shot placement is all that matters, try hunting cape buffalo with a 22 and let us know how it goes. ;)
Now, back to the real world.
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 26, 2015, 09:02:17 PM
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Post by: JoeE on October 26, 2015, 09:06:40 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on October 26, 2015, 09:15:15 PM
I wouldn't hesitate using a 243 on an elk.
But would you recommend it as an elk caliber on a forum where hunting styles and experience levels vary?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on October 26, 2015, 09:25:39 PM
That's the whole point ..I am sure a few of us could kill an elk rather easily with a .243 but I know how many deer I have killed with a 243...and not many just dropped in their tracks unless I shot them in the neck or broke their back .. I am sure someone could tell me different ...hahaha Someone shoot an elk in the heart or threw the lungs with a .243 and let me know how far he goes ..I would like to know since I never shot an elk with one .I wouldn't hesitate using a 243 on an elk.
But would you recommend it as an elk caliber on a forum where hunting styles and experience levels vary?
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 26, 2015, 09:28:05 PM
Post by: JLS on October 26, 2015, 09:31:16 PM
That's the whole point ..I am sure a few of us could kill an elk rather easily with a .243 but I know how many deer I have killed with a 243...and not many just dropped in their tracks unless I shot them in the neck or broke their back .. I am sure someone could tell me different ...hahaha Someone shoot an elk in the heart or threw the lungs with a .243 and let me know how far he goes ..I would like to know since I never shot an elk with one .I wouldn't hesitate using a 243 on an elk.
But would you recommend it as an elk caliber on a forum where hunting styles and experience levels vary?
The last elk I shot with one took about 2 1/2 steps before falling over, from 285 yards away.
Any hunter out there should willing to pass up a poor shot in lieu of one that they can make. It makes no difference what caliber they are using. I've seen a lot of crippled elk run off after being hit with ultra magnums. I've also see a lot of elk fall to one shot from piddly calibers like .243, 7-08s, .257 Roberts and so on.
So, yes, I would recommend a 243 with an Accubond to anyone for elk. I would also recommend to them that they know what their skills and limitations are and operate accordingly.
Edit: A lot of folks out there would benefit a whole lot more from learning more about anatomy and shot placement than they ever will from studying ballistics tables.
Post by: MountainWalk on October 26, 2015, 09:37:03 PM
If your a rifle expert, shoot a lot, have decades of hunting experiences, a proficient woods man, and can dedicate a lot of time, then sure. Knock yourself out.otherwise do yourself and the elk a favor and go bigger. For every elk done in by a 243, I'd like to know how many were lost. In the real world, we are often taken by surprise, panting out of breath, or not given broadside calendar shots
Post by: mountainman on October 26, 2015, 09:38:58 PM
Yeah, it can be done. But I wouldn't frame a house with a tack hammer.yup
If your a rifle expert, shoot a lot, have decades of hunting experiences, a proficient woods man, and can dedicate a lot of time, then do yourself and the elk a favor and go bigger. For every elk done in by a 243, I'd like to know how many were lost.
Post by: demontang on October 26, 2015, 09:46:06 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 26, 2015, 09:50:18 PM
Post by: demontang on October 26, 2015, 10:03:41 PM
Post by: JoeE on October 26, 2015, 11:26:30 PM
I wouldn't hesitate using a 243 on an elk.
But would you recommend it as an elk caliber on a forum where hunting styles and experience levels vary?
No I wouldn't recommend it, I much prefer 30 caliber rounds for hunting. But if it was all I had I would use it and it would work.
Post by: RadSav on October 27, 2015, 12:14:32 AM
243 would not be my first choice, or even my top ten, but I wouldn't call it unethical. I have seen four bulls killed with the 243. All four taken by experienced hunters and excellent marksmen. One dropped in his tracks, one went maybe 35 yards, two went over 100 yards with all five rounds in the magazine in their chest. I also have two good friends that told me of elk they killed (by spouse and son) with the 243. Both cows. The lady killed hers with a single shot at 100 yards, recovery 40-50 yards. The youth put seven rounds in his. None of the shots more than 80 yards. His father guessed the recovery as 1/4 mile after all the tracking and shooting was done. I know that is a small test sample, but from that one could surmise - For every good story you also get one bad.
Here is a snippet from Nathan Fosters website Terminal Ballistics Research. It's interesting that he seems to agree with the above summary results I've witnessed :
"...Regarding game weights, the .243 is ideal for game weighing between 40kg and 60kg (90-130lb) but is adequate for game weighing 80kg (180lb). This weight limit is suggested not because the .243 cannot produce sufficient penetration on larger game, but because with rear lung shots, even though wounds may be free bleeding, kills can be so slow as to allow animals to run considerable distances and become lost altogether to the hunter. On heavy boned deer, careful shot placement is the key. Countless Elk have been successfully harvested with the .243 (320kg / 700lb) without fuss. However, for every success story there are just as many failures. While many experienced hunters like to argue the limitations of the .243 based on their own skills, animal welfare should always be paramount. There are a great many calibers more suitable for larger medium game than the .243.
...
Closing Comments
A long time ago, after witnessing too many wounded animals, I banned the use of the .243 on our wild pig hunting block. Animal welfare should always come first and hunters who are capable of comfortably shooting a more powerful cartridges should do so. Nevertheless, the .243 has its place and on the hunting block in question, I have had to make exceptions accordingly. I have one female client who is slightly built and the .243 is as much recoil (combined with rifle weight) as she can possibly handle. With attention to shot placement and actually acknowledging the limitations of the cartridge, this lady is able to fully utilize the .243. For hogs at close to moderate ranges, the rifle is fed the 85 grain Barnes at 3100fps, for everything else, the 95 grain SST at 3050fps. The 95 grain Partition would eliminate the need for dual loading however the two loads have proven to be very versatile.
...
This is a cartridge that can produce either outstanding results in an entirely consistent manner or abysmal failures - all entirely dependent on both rifle accuracy, the skill of the hunter and a sensible approach to game suitability. "
Post by: demontang on October 27, 2015, 07:23:05 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on October 27, 2015, 07:36:25 AM
I don't know how to make the little blue words that you click on show up or whatever.
Post by: ELKBURGER on October 27, 2015, 07:48:07 AM
Post by: MountainWalk on October 27, 2015, 07:54:30 AM
Post by: theleo on October 27, 2015, 08:18:52 AM
Post by: demontang on October 27, 2015, 09:06:34 AM
Post by: Damnimissed on October 27, 2015, 11:53:00 AM
Post by: demontang on October 27, 2015, 12:03:24 PM
Post by: Firedogg on October 27, 2015, 01:13:56 PM
.243 not unethical, but in all but the most ideal of situations it's a pretty iffy round. Lightest I would go would be a .300 Savage within 200 yards. I have seen and found too many elk wounded from less than ideal shots from lighter calibers.
Post by: demontang on October 27, 2015, 02:21:53 PM
Post by: WoodlandShooter on October 27, 2015, 02:30:54 PM
so, yeah, shot placement counts!!
Post by: grundy53 on October 27, 2015, 02:42:17 PM
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Post by: MountainWalk on October 27, 2015, 02:55:08 PM
I don't know very many elk hunters who would.
Post by: Damnimissed on October 27, 2015, 03:06:45 PM
Yea it's why I love my 338win. She is just a small framed person and can't take the larger calibers. I'd really like to get her a 338 federal in a ar platform to help kill the recoil.That's the very caliber I started hunting elk with, when I rifle hunted. My mentors I hunted with all shot 338wm. It definitely gives you some room for error on shot placement if you have a small window of opportunity or can't get the best angle but still have an ethical shot that you wouldn't take with a 90gr bullet. .338wm is a flat out elk hammer.
Post by: demontang on October 27, 2015, 03:16:58 PM
What if it's the last day of the hunt, last hour, and you just huffed up a hill only to see elk moving into the timber at a quartering away at 280 yards. You have a two or three second window of opportunity. Gonna pass that shot?
I don't know very many elk hunters who would.
Well you haven't seen me hunt I've passed on shots that made me eat tags. She wouldn't shoot unless I told her, if that was the shot then no elk.
Post by: theleo on October 27, 2015, 03:21:34 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 27, 2015, 07:06:43 PM
Not much for "Clubs" and I have no tolerance for "Tag Alongs".
Post by: demontang on October 27, 2015, 08:14:25 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 27, 2015, 08:21:10 PM
Lol lead follow or get out of the way. :chuckle:
Perfect! I love the results of a sub-par cartridge behind a 90gr Accubond @ 287 yards. The 6.8 SPC is a joke in it's own but neck it down and then neck it down again and it's in its prime.
6mm/ .243 Diameter is a killer.
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Post by: BLR 243 on October 27, 2015, 08:38:43 PM
Post by: mountainman on October 27, 2015, 09:09:52 PM
Post by: demontang on October 27, 2015, 09:25:54 PM
Post by: Biggerhammer on October 27, 2015, 09:32:52 PM
Post by: jasnt on October 28, 2015, 05:37:42 AM
Post by: 12Gauge on October 28, 2015, 06:24:02 AM
No doubt it will do the trick with proper placement . If she is proficeint and confident then go for it . But my :twocents: Is that keep it 200 yards or under .
:yeah:
Post by: high country on October 28, 2015, 08:59:34 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on October 29, 2015, 09:16:33 AM
Post by: C-Money on November 09, 2015, 10:42:58 PM
Post by: Alchase on November 12, 2015, 07:27:25 PM
Every shot and every animal reaction is unique, there is no telling how far an elk can run even with a kill shot from any caliber.
I shot a 2x3 blackmail with a 300 win mag at 70 yards. Perfect placement, bucked straight up and did the hunched back bolt a crossed the clear cut and into the thick reprod. I found him over 500 yards from impact point. When I opened it up, the heart was basically gone. He ran that far with no heart. I never thought that would be possible.
Even with perfect placement and much more bullistic power then needed for a 150 lb blackmail some how he travelled that far.
That is not normal by any means, it is true that large caliber bullets are more forgiving if the placement if not perfect or if you catch a deflection off a bone.
Post by: Dan-o on November 12, 2015, 08:08:10 PM
I just think I'd feel better with a heavy-for-caliber bullet.
Post by: demontang on November 18, 2015, 09:08:12 AM
Post by: C-Money on November 18, 2015, 09:46:05 AM
Post by: demontang on November 21, 2015, 06:49:47 PM
Post by: mountainman on November 22, 2015, 05:50:12 PM
We never had a chance to get out for elk this year. Hope to have her a 338 federal for next year.a much betterchoice👍
Post by: C-Money on November 23, 2015, 06:48:22 AM
I'm looking at a semi 338 federal so it should soak up some of the recoil.
:tup: Looks like the 338 Federal has some very good qualities.
Post by: sneakyjake on November 23, 2015, 08:49:39 AM
It is a good article. But my feelings are hurt because I shoot a Weatherby 7mm. Not all of us can be experts so we take advice from where we can until we learn on our own.
Post by: 7mmfan on November 23, 2015, 09:06:07 AM
Post by: MuleySniper on November 23, 2015, 09:28:06 AM
I spent a lot of time at the range too.
Post by: demontang on November 24, 2015, 11:25:21 AM
I've looked at a 25 cal for years for my self. The long action. Kills it a little for the wife, and she likes the black guns alot better then bolt.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 24, 2015, 11:38:42 AM
Post by: Piscatory_5 on November 24, 2015, 12:04:00 PM
Gun can hold .5 moa she can shoot a dinner plate at 500 yrds of sticks. He'll at 350yrds of sticks she can hit a clay pigeon. My only worry is the heavy bone in the shoulder. I've shot everything in the state with my 338 win and the deer she got this year only made it 40 yards maybe before it piled up. I guess it more of a should she shoot the solid copper gmx or the accubond. :chuckle:If she is that good of shot the shoulder bone shouldn't be hit and should not be a concern. If any doubt use something that will punch through the bone easier.
Post by: demontang on November 24, 2015, 01:31:08 PM