Post by: magnanimous_j on October 30, 2015, 10:49:59 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on October 30, 2015, 11:20:47 AM
I suspect some of it was hype. Back when Obummer was elected again they flew of the shelves. :dunno:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on October 30, 2015, 11:21:17 AM
Example, I sold a colt 6920 (your basic 16" AR) in the 2008-2009 Obama scare for $1700 (purchased roughly $1400), whereas they are now going for sub-$1,000.
A factory built LMT or similar is worth a premium, subjectively, at least, over the homebrew or lesser regarded brand ARs.
If you were ever interested.
Post by: thinkingman on October 30, 2015, 12:30:21 PM
Some are milspec; some are not; some are crafted by pro's using high quality (name brand parts, top shelf); some are built by a friend of a friend on their coffee table; some are battle ready high precision instruments of freedom; some make nice scary plinkers; some were purchased at the height of an Obama gun rush, and thus, the seller is trying unreasonably to recoup the shortage premium; some are asking precisely what the rifle is worth, at this day and age, when there is a glut in the AR market.I like how you included 'subjectively'.
Example, I sold a colt 6920 (your basic 16" AR) in the 2008-2009 Obama scare for $1700 (purchased roughly $1400), whereas they are now going for sub-$1,000.
A factory built LMT or similar is worth a premium, subjectively, at least, over the homebrew or lesser regarded brand ARs.
If you were ever interested.
Like lifted pickups, there is a definite 'Mine's better than yours' d**k measuring contest going on.
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 30, 2015, 02:26:21 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on October 30, 2015, 02:36:14 PM
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#7: When I hang it on the gun rack in my truck, it increases the resale value to $3,500 :chuckle:
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Post by: pianoman9701 on October 30, 2015, 02:39:54 PM
Post by: Bofire on October 30, 2015, 02:57:58 PM
Carl
Post by: Bean Counter on October 30, 2015, 02:58:16 PM
.... THAT's the 'gun.'
I could buy a name brand, new lower reciever by Colt or Bushy and then put a bunch of grey market crap on it and sell it to you as a tricked up Bushmaster. So unless you've taken the time to really educate yourself about the reputation of component manufacturers and know what you really want your gun for, it might be best to buy some basic AR at Sportsmans Warehouse when its on sale, shoot it and learn it the weapon system with your own two hands, and figure out if you want a coyote gun, match grade target gun, a safe queen for appreciation and resale down the road, an end of the world gun, or some combination of those.
The main thing to remember about operating these Stoner-styled weapon system is that it needs to be run lubed. If you're in the middle of a long day of shooting, rack that non-reciprocating charging handle to pop open the dust cover, and squirt some oil into those holes on the bolt carrier, rack your charging handle a few times to get it in there, and maybe repeat. My favorite oil is EWL Slip 2000 but I want to get my hands on some Frog Lube as it seems to not dry out like the Slip/CLP/Militec1, etc. Its probably just bearing grease with food coloring. :rolleyes:
An AR/M4gery will chew through thousands of rounds dirty and wet, but will malfunction sooner rather than later if you try to run it clean and dry. The U.S. Army proved this in 2007 by shooting 60,000 rounds through guns ran wet and guns ran dry.
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Out of the 60,000 rounds fired in each phase, the M4 stoppage-rate dropped from 9,836 with light lubrication to 678 with heavy lubrication.http://archive.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20070715/NEWS/707150313/Heavy-lubrication-shown-to-improve-M16-M4-effectiveness
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 30, 2015, 03:02:31 PM
why are some bolt guns worth much more than others? Revolvers? etc. some is hype some is quality. Kind of a silly question.
Carl
C'mon Bofire. You don't dis someone for an honest question.
Why even post?
Post by: Bofire on October 31, 2015, 10:23:48 AM
Carl
Post by: pianoman9701 on October 31, 2015, 11:05:27 AM
:) :)I don't think I "dissed" anything
Carl
"Kind of a silly question." It's not silly if you're unfamiliar with ARs. Just sayin' and don't mean to start the chit.
Post by: magnanimous_j on October 31, 2015, 11:25:03 AM
why are some bolt guns worth much more than others? Revolvers? etc. some is hype some is quality. Kind of a silly question.
Carl
To me, the milspec aspect was the confusing part. I thought that these parts were built to the exact same specs, to the point that I read some AR build 101 guide on the internet that said the receivers are so similar, just buy the one whose brand-stamp you like the best.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on October 31, 2015, 11:37:40 AM
Post by: Bofire on October 31, 2015, 03:03:06 PM
Carl
"diss on"
Post by: JimmyHoffa on October 31, 2015, 03:34:56 PM
Post by: Special T on November 07, 2015, 09:41:54 AM
why are some bolt guns worth much more than others? Revolvers? etc. some is hype some is quality. Kind of a silly question.
Carl
To me, the milspec aspect was the confusing part. I thought that these parts were built to the exact same specs, to the point that I read some AR build 101 guide on the internet that said the receivers are so similar, just buy the one whose brand-stamp you like the best.
Since AR's are modular and universal price can be very subjective depending on your desire to have one. If i were doing so shopping I would compare new to the used. I would think of AR similar to custom Ruger 10-22 or 1911's prices vary wildly depending on accessories and the desire ot have them.
Post by: thinkingman on November 07, 2015, 10:29:32 AM
Names are a $$ getter too. Wilson gets top dollar for anything because of his name. $3500 for a 1911 pistol.1911s are not a good comparison.
The only valid comparison is that they were both originally designed for military applications.
The metals, finish, hand-fitting and customization of a 1911 can result in a work of art.
I cannot think of ever applying that phrase to an AR.
I will admit, putting the name Colt on any firearm results in a price 40% higher than what it's worth.
Post by: bullfisher on November 07, 2015, 10:16:08 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on November 08, 2015, 07:03:34 AM
Names are a $$ getter too. Wilson gets top dollar for anything because of his name. $3500 for a 1911 pistol.1911s are not a good comparison.
The only valid comparison is that they were both originally designed for military applications.
The metals, finish, hand-fitting and customization of a 1911 can result in a work of art.
I cannot think of ever applying that phrase to an AR.
I will admit, putting the name Colt on any firearm results in a price 40% higher than what it's worth.
1911's are a good comparison.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 09, 2015, 07:39:17 AM
Names are a $$ getter too. Wilson gets top dollar for anything because of his name. $3500 for a 1911 pistol.1911s are not a good comparison.
The only valid comparison is that they were both originally designed for military applications.
The metals, finish, hand-fitting and customization of a 1911 can result in a work of art.
I cannot think of ever applying that phrase to an AR.
I will admit, putting the name Colt on any firearm results in a price 40% higher than what it's worth.
There are some awesome ARs which are works of art. Go to Biggerhammer's site for Loyal's Guns and you'll see some. I've got one. It's a work of art.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on November 09, 2015, 07:55:41 AM
That said, A quality 1911 build takes 10x the time as an AR build and the parts aren't cheap either.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 09, 2015, 08:42:18 AM
-Steve
Post by: thinkingman on November 09, 2015, 03:58:37 PM
I think we're getting a bit off track, but I think an AR/1911 build is a pretty good comparison. There are cheaper parts ie; 'drop in barrel' or drop in trigger group, or sight, long/short trigger, bobbed hammer, arched/flat MSH, gas block, different barrel lengths, polimer lower, different rifling twists and such available that are or 'should be' within 'Spec'. You get what you pay for in a mas production gun or part, ie; Kimber, Dan Wesson, Colt (depending on era/series), Taurus, RIA. Vs A Wilson or reworked Clark version. It is funny that people won't hesitate to shell out $1,200 for an AR of any flavor that scoff at the idea of spending $650 on a Ruger SR1911 let alone $1,500 for a used Wilson 1911. (Wilsons truly are works of art and are more accurate than your above average shooter.) There are MIM, forged and cast parts and CNC frames/internals that will bring a premium price. Hand fit- this that, or the other that costs more too. There are cheap cast productions of just about anything. But those CNC machined parts from billet aluminum that are at the tight end of spec, -remember a specification on a gun part is just that... There is a large size and a minimum size for just about everything. The tighter the part fit/mechanism movement isn't always best for reliability. But for repeated accuracy a complete gun built to minimum tolerances is often highly sought after. Both in 1911's and AR's. That said, I hear tell... ;) It's cheaper to build a quality AR than it is to buy one of the cheaper mass produced ones. That really can't be said for building a quality a 1911. I recently waited 7 months for my KART barrel for my Colt Gold Cup!Exactly.
-Steve
Ferrari vs Camaro
Post by: JLS on November 09, 2015, 04:17:28 PM
Post by: Zardoz on November 09, 2015, 08:30:28 PM
:)there is a "spec" for everything,military or not. high quality bolt guns cost more than average guns, Wilson 1911's cost more than S&W ruger or Kimber, quality is a funny word that seems to go with reputation, and sometimes performance. There are Cheap AR's that meet minimum specs there are GREAT ARS that far exceed specs. the tighter the spec the moire it costs. This applies to ovens, computers, pliers, hammers, toilet paper and more.
Carl
"diss on"
Where exactly do you get "tighter spec" toilet paper? :chuckle: