Post by: beave on November 09, 2015, 08:44:58 PM
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Post by: PlateauNDN on November 09, 2015, 09:27:50 PM
Post by: Crunchy on November 09, 2015, 09:28:12 PM
Probably the best all around caliber ever chambered. 1200 will get you a nice rifle. I'd hold out and either get a Ruger#1 or a Pre64 Winch.
I have a pre 64 winch and have a hard time hunting with it. Such a pretty gun, and they aint cheap
Post by: Crunchy on November 09, 2015, 09:30:52 PM
Post by: bobcat on November 09, 2015, 09:33:12 PM
But again, absolutely nothing wrong with the standard 7 mag.
Post by: Simcoe hunter on November 09, 2015, 09:52:01 PM
There are so many good rifles to choose from today that I guess we'd have to know more details. My rifle is a tool for a couple of specific jobs, so- I prefer synthetic and stainless.
And it just plain old works. I'm not saying it's the magic laser beam from heaven, but it just flat works.
Post by: Bob33 on November 09, 2015, 09:58:08 PM
If you want value and out of box accuracy I'd look at Savage and Tikka. If you want better fit and finish look at Sako. Ciustomization look at Rem 700.
Post by: Greenhorn on November 09, 2015, 09:59:32 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on November 09, 2015, 10:19:22 PM
For $1200 I would be looking to pick up a pre owned Kimber or Cooper, you will never need another rifle for hunting anything in the Americas! :twocents:
Post by: PlateauNDN on November 09, 2015, 10:21:07 PM
Tika or savage is what I would do. I have a savage 7 rem mag and love it. I have another savage that I ripped the barrel off and threw another caliber on. Love the fact u can change barrels at home atleast on the older ones. Don't know why people hate on the belted rounds
:yeah: have a savage 7 and 270, both nice. I just prefer the 270
Post by: fisheral87 on November 09, 2015, 10:33:32 PM
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Post by: Vo2max on November 09, 2015, 10:45:58 PM
Tikka t3 lite. Pretty tough to beat for an out of the box gun. Lightweight, accurate and a good trigger for a factory rifle. I'd go with a stainless model and some dnz or Talley rings and have money left for a good scope.
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Post by: skeeter 20i on November 10, 2015, 07:09:13 AM
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah:Tikka t3 lite. Pretty tough to beat for an out of the box gun. Lightweight, accurate and a good trigger for a factory rifle. I'd go with a stainless model and some dnz or Talley rings and have money left for a good scope.
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Post by: bullfisher on November 10, 2015, 08:45:52 AM
Post by: rudysts on November 10, 2015, 01:20:26 PM
you will have no regrets if you blue print and rebarrel that 700 also put a Jewell trigger on it. 7 RM is a very capable cartridge you can confidently push a 180 vld over 3000 fps that's some serious smack down.
Post by: AWS on November 10, 2015, 01:46:17 PM
Post by: Bofire on November 10, 2015, 02:26:26 PM
you can make a great gun!!!
Carl
Post by: 7mm Bob on November 10, 2015, 02:54:20 PM
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Post by: Wingin it on November 11, 2015, 02:58:03 PM
Post by: Mark251 on November 11, 2015, 05:35:20 PM
Tikka t3 lite. Pretty tough to beat for an out of the box gun. Lightweight, accurate and a good trigger for a factory rifle. I'd go with a stainless model and some dnz or Talley rings and have money left for a good scope.
:yeah: I have three Tikkas in different calibers ranging from a 22-250 to a 300 Win Mag. I'd go with a stainless version of the T3 lite and definitely replace the rings. My stepson shoots a Weatherby Vanguard chambered in 7mm Rem Mag and loves it. It's quite a bit heavier to pack around but might also be a good option for you to consider...
Post by: Pnwrider on November 11, 2015, 07:07:32 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 11, 2015, 07:18:05 PM
7mm for deer. Didn't scan through the replies, but my buddy went on his first deer hunt with a 7mm and shot the heck out of the deer with it. It's a good elk round but I wouldn't be looking at it for deer.
:chuckle: I've got more than a couple with mine, it works just fine!
Perhaps if your buddy was a better shot he would not have needed to "shoot the heck out of the deer with it" ;)
Post by: Pnwrider on November 11, 2015, 07:29:34 PM
That might be accurate. All I know as I was shocked how bad it was when I was skinning the deer and saw the huge holes and shot up meat.7mm for deer. Didn't scan through the replies, but my buddy went on his first deer hunt with a 7mm and shot the heck out of the deer with it. It's a good elk round but I wouldn't be looking at it for deer.
:chuckle: I've got more than a couple with mine, it works just fine!
Perhaps if your buddy was a better shot he would not have needed to "shoot the heck out of the deer with it" ;)
Post by: jackelope on November 11, 2015, 07:45:16 PM
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Post by: Curly on November 11, 2015, 08:09:22 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=522142332
Here is a pretty nice x bolt for $1300. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=520718526
Post by: M_ray on November 11, 2015, 11:18:53 PM
I've shot a few different 7mm before. Not a fan. Expensive ammo and no real reason to give up my .270 Winny or .30-06 Springfield for it. Sorry I'm not much help, I just turn my nose to the 'magnum' obsession in favor of actually killing deer. That's my opinion on a new 7mm rem mag. HTH. :)
Not sure I understand this comment??? Doesn't a Magnum "actually Kill" deer just the same as a non Magnum? :dunno:
Post by: Bean Counter on November 12, 2015, 12:04:59 AM
- The hunter isn't fliching because of the punshing recoil
- The hunter doesn't run out of ammo as magnum rounds tend to be more expensive
- The hunter doesn't acquiesce to poor marksmanship at the range under the guise that "a hit from a magnum drops 'em in their tracks" or sth to the like.
:)
Post by: thinkingman on November 12, 2015, 08:26:15 AM
Definitely the better option.Tikka t3 lite. Pretty tough to beat for an out of the box gun. Lightweight, accurate and a good trigger for a factory rifle. I'd go with a stainless model and some dnz or Talley rings and have money left for a good scope.
:yeah: I have three Tikkas in different calibers ranging from a 22-250 to a 300 Win Mag. I'd go with a stainless version of the T3 lite and definitely replace the rings. My stepson shoots a Weatherby Vanguard chambered in 7mm Rem Mag and loves it. It's quite a bit heavier to pack around but might also be a good option for you to consider...
You will have a lighter-weight, more accurate and more desirable rifle.
A 'custom' R700 is a crapshoot and you will be stuck with it....Like the guys who put 20k in customization into their truck and find out nobody want to buy it.
Post by: M_ray on November 12, 2015, 08:28:56 AM
Sure! ... As long as:
- The hunter isn't fliching because of the punshing recoil
- The hunter doesn't run out of ammo as magnum rounds tend to be more expensive
- The hunter doesn't acquiesce to poor marksmanship at the range under the guise that "a hit from a magnum drops 'em in their tracks" or sth to the like.
:)
Lol :chuckle: your joking right? Your probably talking about less than 10% of the guys that don't set up a rifle right, if you take it out of the box and slap 180-200 grn shelf ammo then yes it could be the way you describe. If done correctly and to the right specs, proper load, a new trigger there is no more recoil in a 300WM than a 30-06 and with my 300 or my 7mm I'm able to reach distances accurately over twice that of your factory 30-06. That could be the difference between taking the shot at a big buck or watching him walk cause he's out of range. When you buy a magnum round you know what your in for ... :hello:
Post by: Curly on November 12, 2015, 08:30:23 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on November 12, 2015, 10:10:42 AM
Sure! ... As long as:
- The hunter isn't fliching because of the punshing recoil
- The hunter doesn't run out of ammo as magnum rounds tend to be more expensive
- The hunter doesn't acquiesce to poor marksmanship at the range under the guise that "a hit from a magnum drops 'em in their tracks" or sth to the like.
:)
Lol :chuckle: your joking right? Your probably talking about less than 10% of the guys that don't set up a rifle right, if you take it out of the box and slap 180-200 grn shelf ammo then yes it could be the way you describe. If done correctly and to the right specs, proper load, a new trigger there is no more recoil in a 300WM than a 30-06 and with my 300 or my 7mm I'm able to reach distances accurately over twice that of your factory 30-06. That could be the difference between taking the shot at a big buck or watching him walk cause he's out of range. When you buy a magnum round you should know what your in for ... :hello:
There we go. ;) I hunted with a guy in New Mexico who 'upgraded' to his 300 Win mag because he wanted "More reach" that was also "flatter shooting." He wound up shooting off hand at a buck at 130 yards and injuring it :bash: Also had no money left over for optics and planned to use his riflescope for glass :bash: :bash: I haven't hunted with him again. :rolleyes:
I certainly hope that 90% of the guys who buy a magnum rifle and have the long range itch know the difference between mils and MOA, why its important to shoot to wait for a break in the close wind and shoot into the distant cross wind, and have a communication lingo set up with their spotter. I'm not optimistic that this is the case though. My impression is that there's far way too many who get caught up in thinking a magnum round being "flatter shooting" has no drop coefficient to study and can buck any wind. I just don't see a 'magnum' being the deciding factor as to whether or not a hunter can ethically pull the trigger on a deer @ 630 yards or the next ridge @865 yards.
I've been privileged to hunt various Western states over the past several years and haven't had occasion to shoot at more than 300-400 yards tops. Most of my shots have been at 100-200 yards. Just this hunters experience.
I understand that the longest recorded sniper shots from 1,700-2,500 are with the .50 mags and .338 Laupuas but there have been plenty at 800-1,200 with the good old .308.
Post by: 2labs on November 12, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Post by: Bob33 on November 12, 2015, 10:24:16 AM
A poorly trained and poorly equipped shooter can develop a flinch with a .22. Most shooters, if properly trained and equipped, can learn to effectively shoot larger caliber firearms.
My son is 14 and has been effectively shooting (read "no flinch") 300 magnum rifles since he was 10. :twocents:
Post by: arrowflinger on November 12, 2015, 10:49:37 AM
Why not take the $1200 and put it into turning your rifle into a nice custom. New stock, barrel, trigger, ....
:yeah:
I agree with all the others that said to modify the one you have. If I'm going to spend 1200 I'm dropping it on another rifle in a different caliber.
Post by: rbros on November 12, 2015, 12:30:43 PM
Post by: Rich_S on November 12, 2015, 02:14:14 PM
Check out Howa. They have a new mountain rifle that's 5.7 pounds. Or the standard 1500. Twice the quality you'll get from Rem. or Savage :twocents:
:yeah: You could buy the bare action/barrel and either outfit it with a Bishop stock or an all-weather synthetic and still have plenty left over for a good scope.
This one's a Weatherby Vanguard, but it's the same rifle as the Howa.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi256.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fhh171%2FClark_Savage_Jr%2FTemp%2FWeatherby%2520sm004_zpst3mw39ys.jpg&hash=9596d70d8cfef7b9939990bc41599090f1fc559e) (http://s256.photobucket.com/user/Clark_Savage_Jr/media/Temp/Weatherby%20sm004_zpst3mw39ys.jpg.html)
Post by: M_ray on November 12, 2015, 02:25:50 PM
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Post by: Dan-o on November 12, 2015, 10:06:03 PM
I shot a Browning for a lot of years, and also a Remington.
I never knew how good a shot I was til I bought my Savage 111..... 8)
I got the 111 and put a Nikon 4X16 on it........ It actually is a laser beam from heaven (to quote Simcoe).
And if your budget is $1,200, that leaves about $400 for ammo.