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Title: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: SuperX on November 12, 2015, 11:02:46 AM
Saw this on my FB feed... curious what you guys think  :)

Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on November 12, 2015, 11:03:41 AM
nope... just a whitetail  :dunno:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: jackelope on November 12, 2015, 11:04:38 AM
Whitetail.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 12, 2015, 11:05:26 AM
Nice!  That's one of those whitetail x blacktail x mule deer hybrids.  These have been recently discovered by an outfitter in SW Washington.  This is kind of a small one but as long as the hunter is happy with it.



Okay my real opinion?  Probably on a deer farm back east somewhere  :twocents:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 7mmfan on November 12, 2015, 11:05:38 AM
 :yeah: The horns look very Muley/blacktail, but the face says it all. Doesn't even look like WA.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 7mmfan on November 12, 2015, 11:06:05 AM
Nice!  That's one of those whitetail x blacktail x mule deer hybrids.  These have been recently discovered by an outfitter in SW Washington.  This is kind of a small one but as long as the hunter is happy with it.

 :chuckle:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on November 12, 2015, 11:09:59 AM
Whatever it is its real nice!
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 12, 2015, 11:10:08 AM
Screw in antlers. :chuckle:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: lewy on November 12, 2015, 11:17:47 AM
Something doesn't look right with that photo
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 12, 2015, 11:25:29 AM
Can't stand the term "benchleg."   :bash:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on November 12, 2015, 11:28:55 AM
Something doesn't look right with that photo

 :yeah:

His other hand is missing, plus no hair goes above the bases of the antlers. Photo shopped I suspect.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on November 12, 2015, 11:38:05 AM
he's wearing a glove on one hand
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 12, 2015, 11:40:20 AM
Nice!  That's one of those whitetail x blacktail x mule deer hybrids.  These have been recently discovered by an outfitter in SW Washington.  This is kind of a small one but as long as the hunter is happy with it.



Okay my real opinion?  Probably on a deer farm back east somewhere  :twocents:
  benchlegs, where nontypical IS typical
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: NoBark on November 12, 2015, 11:54:13 AM
I like the truck in the background. A long pack out for sure!
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: PolarBear on November 12, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
Probably taken out of Traverse City Michigan.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Taco280AI on November 12, 2015, 12:14:33 PM
Reminds me of high fenced hunt photos I've seen, from the area it's in to the rack itself. Not saying that is the case, but it just looks like some of those "Midwest" ranch photos.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 12, 2015, 12:47:52 PM
Lots of birch and maple. Odd rack with the forks but I don't believe it's photo shopped. If I had to guess I'd say it was taken at least in the midwest or back east.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: SuperX on November 12, 2015, 01:12:59 PM
man you guys are good!  It's from a farm in Michigan according to the post I saw.  Short ears are also a give-away, but as far as I know it isn't photoshopped.

:)
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: lewy on November 12, 2015, 04:41:34 PM
It almost looks like the antlers are photo shopped from just above the g-1's on up, idk
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: coachcw on November 12, 2015, 05:50:29 PM
great buck even with the long arming !
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: JakeLand on November 12, 2015, 06:06:00 PM
Can't stand the term "benchleg."   :bash:




 Why? Does the term stud Blacktail sound better :IBCOOL:
Title: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 12, 2015, 06:10:10 PM
Can't stand the term "benchleg."   :bash:




 Why? Does the term stud Blacktail sound better :IBCOOL:

Because it's a made up word that nobody knows where it came from, or why someone would choose to call a blacktail/mule deer cross a "benchleg." Do their legs look different than any other deer? No, they do not. Do their legs look like benches? No they don't.

Yes, I say call them blacktails. Or, if you want, call them mule deer. Just pick one! But a "benchleg?" What the heck is that?
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: JakeLand on November 12, 2015, 06:18:08 PM
Well I got 3 generations of loggers and outdoorsman  in the family that have taken a few big ( stud Blacktails) that are big bodied deer that didn't fit the legs and my paps would call them "Benchleg " bucks because they were short compared to the body size so I always accepted it as that.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2labs on November 12, 2015, 06:19:57 PM
Take it easy Bob. Benchlegs and Bigfoot drive a man crazy!
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 12, 2015, 06:20:23 PM
I guess they never looked any different to me.   :dunno:

Any biologists on here who can confirm that "benchlegs" have shorter legs than other deer?
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 12, 2015, 06:21:04 PM
Not unless they do.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2MANY on November 13, 2015, 12:20:00 PM
Appears the hunter has been chasing parked cars. :)
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 12:23:32 PM
I guess they never looked any different to me.   :dunno:

Any biologists on here who can confirm that "benchlegs" have shorter legs than other deer?

Some people say benchlegs appear to have longer legs than a deer that is not a cross.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2labs on November 13, 2015, 12:25:12 PM
I guess they never looked any different to me.   :dunno:

Any biologists on here who can confirm that "benchlegs" have shorter legs than other deer?

Some people say benchlegs appear to have longer legs than a deer that is not a cross.  :dunno:


Just the left legs.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 13, 2015, 12:49:31 PM
I guess they never looked any different to me.   :dunno:

Any biologists on here who can confirm that "benchlegs" have shorter legs than other deer?

Some people say benchlegs appear to have longer legs than a deer that is not a cross.  :dunno:

Funny, I'd been told they had bigger bodies and shorter legs.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 13, 2015, 01:00:34 PM
I can not lie, I was told they have big butts.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 13, 2015, 01:02:04 PM
All this controversy, and the photo is labeled "Mulie"
 :dunno:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2MANY on November 13, 2015, 01:07:06 PM
A bench leg buck occurs when the bench itself isn't heavy enough or the legs aren't fastened to the floor.
Often this problem surfaces when 2much torque is applied to an item in the vise.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: grundy53 on November 13, 2015, 01:07:51 PM
Can't stand the term "benchleg."   :bash:




 Why? Does the term stud Blacktail sound better :IBCOOL:

Because it's a made up word that nobody knows where it came from, or why someone would choose to call a blacktail/mule deer cross a "benchleg." Do their legs look different than any other deer? No, they do not. Do their legs look like benches? No they don't.

Yes, I say call them blacktails. Or, if you want, call them mule deer. Just pick one! But a "benchleg?" What the heck is that?
How can you pick one when they are neither/both? They are not fully Blacktail and they are not fully muley.

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Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 13, 2015, 01:14:32 PM
A bench leg buck occurs when the bench itself isn't heavy enough or the legs aren't fastened to the floor.
Often this problem surfaces when 2much torque is applied to an item in the vise.

Lol.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 13, 2015, 01:15:11 PM
I can not lie, I was told they have big butts.

Then, do you like 'em?
Title: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 13, 2015, 01:18:32 PM
Can't stand the term "benchleg."   :bash:




 Why? Does the term stud Blacktail sound better :IBCOOL:

Because it's a made up word that nobody knows where it came from, or why someone would choose to call a blacktail/mule deer cross a "benchleg." Do their legs look different than any other deer? No, they do not. Do their legs look like benches? No they don't.

Yes, I say call them blacktails. Or, if you want, call them mule deer. Just pick one! But a "benchleg?" What the heck is that?
How can you pick one when they are neither/both? They are not fully Blacktail and they are not fully muley.

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Then call them what they are- a mule deer/blacktail cross.

But "benchleg" to me is a meaningless  term.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 01:19:22 PM
All this controversy, and the photo is labeled "Mulie"
 :dunno:
Well, the photo is a whitetail........
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 13, 2015, 01:25:29 PM
The technical term is cascade blacktail
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bambam3960 on November 13, 2015, 01:27:33 PM
Whatever it is its real nice!

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 13, 2015, 01:28:08 PM

The technical term is cascade blacktail

Wasn't that term invented by whoever came up with the state record book? I'd never heard of it until then.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 01:28:55 PM
I kind of like the term benchleg.  So what if it wasn't coined by a biologist and is probably a slang term that caught on over the years?
The fact is that benchleg is the common term used for blacktail/muley cross. Might as well get used to it.  :2cents:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2MANY on November 13, 2015, 01:32:13 PM
Only in Washington State.


Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2labs on November 13, 2015, 01:37:07 PM
What's Oregon call them?
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 01:40:12 PM
Same thing in Oregon.  Here (http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=85392) is a link to thread from 10 years ago on Ifish.......pretty similar to this discussion.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: grundy53 on November 13, 2015, 01:40:22 PM
Can't stand the term "benchleg."   :bash:




 Why? Does the term stud Blacktail sound better :IBCOOL:

Because it's a made up word that nobody knows where it came from, or why someone would choose to call a blacktail/mule deer cross a "benchleg." Do their legs look different than any other deer? No, they do not. Do their legs look like benches? No they don't.

Yes, I say call them blacktails. Or, if you want, call them mule deer. Just pick one! But a "benchleg?" What the heck is that?
How can you pick one when they are neither/both? They are not fully Blacktail and they are not fully muley.

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Then call them what they are- a mule deer/blacktail cross.

But "benchleg" to me is a meaningless  term.
That's a mouth full. Benchleg isn't meaningless, most people on here know what you are talking about when you use the term therefore it has meaning.

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Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 13, 2015, 01:44:45 PM
All this controversy, and the photo is labeled "Mulie"
 :dunno:
Well, the photo is a whitetail........
That is one thing I never have understood...
According to what the biologists say, a Mule Deer is a cross of a Blacktail and a Whitetail, but looking at them, I would suspect a Mule Deer/Whitetail cross.
 :dunno:
 
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 13, 2015, 01:45:50 PM
I honestly am not 100% certain Bobcat. Completely shooting from the hip here but I do believe it was whoever does the Washington state record book came up with the category. I called on bench legs because is easier. Lol
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 13, 2015, 01:47:48 PM
There is a member on here called "BENCHLEG"

I see he has wisely decided to not enter the fray.  Probably because he sees how many people hate the term  ;)
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 13, 2015, 01:49:49 PM
I can not lie, I was told they have big butts.

Then, do you like 'em?
:tup:  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 13, 2015, 01:52:21 PM
Most people I know who aren't on this forum, if I were to say "I killed a benchleg yesterday" .... they would have no clue what I was talking about.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 13, 2015, 01:54:04 PM
All this controversy, and the photo is labeled "Mulie"
 :dunno:
Well, the photo is a whitetail........
The mule deer face is mostly white from the nose to the eyes, but the whitetail’s face is mostly brown like the rest of their fur.  The whitetail only has white rings around its eyes and nose.
The photo has a grey tone from the nose to the eyes.
the points on a mule buck’s antlers will usually split in two directions, grow, split again, and so forth.  A whitetail buck’s antler points will usually all grow off of one main “stem”.
The antlers clearly fork off the main beam into separate beams.
Why do you say this one is Whitetail?
Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 01:55:43 PM
Most people I know who aren't on this forum, if I were to say "I killed a benchleg yesterday" .... they would have no clue what I was talking about.

Same thing if you told them "Cascade Blacktail".

Hell, for that matter a lot of people would have no clue if you told them you got a muley, whitetail, or blacktail.  Just say you got a deer.  They might understand that.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: grundy53 on November 13, 2015, 01:58:14 PM
Most people I know who aren't on this forum, if I were to say "I killed a benchleg yesterday" .... they would have no clue what I was talking about.
I think there are enough members on this forum to give a good cross section of the hunting community in this state. Just because you and your friends don't use the term doesn't make it meaningless or wrong.

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Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Kittman on November 13, 2015, 02:01:21 PM
White all over on the belly in the picture=Whitetail.  Would like to see the buck's tail though.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 02:01:36 PM
All this controversy, and the photo is labeled "Mulie"
 :dunno:
Well, the photo is a whitetail........
The mule deer face is mostly white from the nose to the eyes, but the whitetail’s face is mostly brown like the rest of their fur.  The whitetail only has white rings around its eyes and nose.
The photo has a grey tone from the nose to the eyes.
the points on a mule buck’s antlers will usually split in two directions, grow, split again, and so forth.  A whitetail buck’s antler points will usually all grow off of one main “stem”.
The antlers clearly fork off the main beam into separate beams.
Why do you say this one is Whitetail?
Am I missing something?

Maybe it is a muley/whitetail cross?  Just looked like a whitetail rack to me........ :dunno:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Axle on November 13, 2015, 02:06:54 PM
Can't stand the term "benchleg."   :bash:




 Why? Does the term stud Blacktail sound better :IBCOOL:

Because it's a made up word that nobody knows where it came from, or why someone would choose to call a blacktail/mule deer cross a "benchleg." Do their legs look different than any other deer? No, they do not. Do their legs look like benches? No they don't.

Yes, I say call them blacktails. Or, if you want, call them mule deer. Just pick one! But a "benchleg?" What the heck is that?

I'm glad you brought this up Bobcat. I happen to know where the term originated and what it means.
I just can't type it all out right now. I'll have to do that later tonight. The term has absolutely nothing to do with a cross-bred deer.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2labs on November 13, 2015, 02:08:31 PM
Who does that? :dunno:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 13, 2015, 02:11:52 PM
Well this thread has spun out of control nicely. Carry on  :salute:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 02:16:32 PM
Out of control?  Seems like it is right on track. We may finally find out the origins of the term benchleg.
8)
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on November 13, 2015, 02:16:49 PM
White all over on the belly in the picture=Whitetail.  Would like to see the buck's tail though.
:yeah:
The one place I was not looking...
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 13, 2015, 02:18:53 PM
Most people I know who aren't on this forum, if I were to say "I killed a benchleg yesterday" .... they would have no clue what I was talking about.
I think there are enough members on this forum to give a good cross section of the hunting community in this state. Just because you and your friends don't use the term doesn't make it meaningless or wrong.

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I say it's meaningless because the term itself doesn't describe the way they look. "BENCH" "LEG".  What exactly is that? Now BLACK TAIL deer, that's something people can understand. Even non-hunters who know nothing about deer.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 02:19:33 PM
So what term should we use for a muley/whitetail cross?.........chairleg?
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2labs on November 13, 2015, 02:20:59 PM
Swamp Donkey :o
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 13, 2015, 02:21:49 PM
Well this thread has spun out of control nicely. Carry on  :salute:

The title is "benchleg buck?"  Seems that's still what we're talking about.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 13, 2015, 02:22:51 PM
Out of control?  Seems like it is right on track. We may finally find out the origins of the term benchleg.
8)
That will just get argued into oblivion as well. Somebody will have a misspelled word in the explanation, One will say it is pre-Custer Native American. Someone else will say it's post-Custer. There will be a few that say early Anglo. A few more will suggest it is a jedi mind trick being played on us by Muslims. Don't even get me started on whether it was Bush or the Dem's...
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: grundy53 on November 13, 2015, 02:22:53 PM
Most people I know who aren't on this forum, if I were to say "I killed a benchleg yesterday" .... they would have no clue what I was talking about.
I think there are enough members on this forum to give a good cross section of the hunting community in this state. Just because you and your friends don't use the term doesn't make it meaningless or wrong.

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I say it's meaningless because the term itself doesn't describe the way they look. "BENCH" "LEG".  What exactly is that? Now BLACK TAIL deer, that's something people can understand. Even non-hunters who know nothing about deer.
Well I killed a raghorn bull this year. I'm sure you know what that term means. However I've never actually seen a bull with rags on it's antlers.

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Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 13, 2015, 02:23:58 PM
Well this thread has spun out of control nicely. Carry on  :salute:

The title is "benchleg buck?"  Seems that's still what we're talking about.
Apparently not, you said the term was made up and nobody knows what it means.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2labs on November 13, 2015, 02:26:21 PM
Wow, take it easy Woodblock. :sry:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: kirkl on November 13, 2015, 02:26:38 PM
Most people I know who aren't on this forum, if I were to say "I killed a benchleg yesterday" .... they would have no clue what I was talking about.
I think there are enough members on this forum to give a good cross section of the hunting community in this state. Just because you and your friends don't use the term doesn't make it meaningless or wrong.

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I say it's meaningless because the term itself doesn't describe the way they look. "BENCH" "LEG".  What exactly is that? Now BLACK TAIL deer, that's something people can understand. Even non-hunters who know nothing about deer.
Well I killed a raghorn bull this year. I'm sure you know what that term means. However I've never actually seen a bull with rags on it's antlers.

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ya that lol, do your buddies know what a raghorn bull is bobcat?
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 13, 2015, 02:27:57 PM
Wow, take it easy Woodblock. :sry:
:chuckle: Oh I am, in fact I like "swamp donkey" the best so far.  :tup:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2MANY on November 13, 2015, 02:32:12 PM
Swamp Donkey is racist.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on November 13, 2015, 02:33:00 PM
Most people I know who aren't on this forum, if I were to say "I killed a benchleg yesterday" .... they would have no clue what I was talking about.
I think there are enough members on this forum to give a good cross section of the hunting community in this state. Just because you and your friends don't use the term doesn't make it meaningless or wrong.

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I say it's meaningless because the term itself doesn't describe the way they look. "BENCH" "LEG".  What exactly is that? Now BLACK TAIL deer, that's something people can understand. Even non-hunters who know nothing about deer.

I have had plenty of non hunters question the term "muley" as well. I don't see Benchleg as being any different.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 13, 2015, 02:33:06 PM

Most people I know who aren't on this forum, if I were to say "I killed a benchleg yesterday" .... they would have no clue what I was talking about.
I think there are enough members on this forum to give a good cross section of the hunting community in this state. Just because you and your friends don't use the term doesn't make it meaningless or wrong.

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I say it's meaningless because the term itself doesn't describe the way they look. "BENCH" "LEG".  What exactly is that? Now BLACK TAIL deer, that's something people can understand. Even non-hunters who know nothing about deer.
Well I killed a raghorn bull this year. I'm sure you know what that term means. However I've never actually seen a bull with rags on it's antlers.

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:chuckle:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 13, 2015, 02:33:56 PM
Swamp donkey is a moose. I thought?
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Limhangerslayer on November 13, 2015, 02:34:34 PM
I believe that it's a Nova Scotian whitetail that migrated to what looks like somewhere in pike county Illinois judging by the background.   He was pretty dumb for putting that much background in the picture and then put it on social media. :DOH:  he'll learn next time!
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 13, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
Swamp Donkey is racist.
Only if the benchleg perceives it as racist.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 02:39:56 PM
Swamp Donkey and Benchleg are both in the Urban Dictionary..........  :twocents:

(Although I guess we need a rural dictionary).  8)
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2labs on November 13, 2015, 02:40:36 PM
Swamp Donkey is racist.
Only if the benchleg perceives it as racist.


Exactly!!   What do you call a rockchuck wood chuck cross? Or is that "jacking"
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 02:41:55 PM
Hey, this thread has legs.  :tup:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2MANY on November 13, 2015, 02:42:36 PM
Never chuck rocks at the White House unless you are playing football.
Just Sayin.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Woodchuck on November 13, 2015, 02:44:17 PM
Swamp Donkey is racist.
Only if the benchleg perceives it as racist.


Exactly!!   What do you call a rockchuck wood chuck cross? Or is that "jacking"
:chuckle: Easy now, I was just trying to make a couple funnies in a thread that it appeared, at least to me, to be being taken a little too seriously.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2MANY on November 13, 2015, 02:59:16 PM
Jacking and the internet go hand in hand, however I must admit, I have NEVER seen an uptown benchleg as hot as that whitetail.

That is one smokin buck!!!
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: cbond3318 on November 13, 2015, 06:51:43 PM
If that's a Benchley, what's the bench?
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Axle on November 13, 2015, 08:05:04 PM
I'm working on the reply. Will post tomorrow. It will be worth the wait.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 13, 2015, 08:45:05 PM
I'm working on the reply. Will post tomorrow. It will be worth the wait.
I will be looking forward to it.8)
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bullfisher on November 13, 2015, 09:03:18 PM
Can't stand the term "benchleg."   :bash:
:yeah:
I'm with ya. Though I've always called em bench muleys
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Axle on November 14, 2015, 09:29:41 AM
I'm still typing up the story. Won't be long. Sorry for the wait.  :hello:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: SuperX on November 14, 2015, 09:35:28 AM
All this controversy, and the photo is labeled "Mulie"
 :dunno:
You can name a photo anything you want... just sayin'  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 14, 2015, 10:02:36 AM
I'm still typing up the story. Won't be long. Sorry for the wait.  :hello:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.tapatalk-cdn.com%2F15%2F11%2F14%2F7ca369140e1b35e1520a3b64e6aefd6d.jpg&hash=645c671112290ae5deb02ee10febd88a424cef7f)
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Axle on November 14, 2015, 10:36:00 AM
OK folks. I tried to make this short. Here it is in story version.

What does ‘bench-leg’ mean? How does it attribute to a deer? Why do the legs have anything to do with a cross-bred deer? What does a bench have to do with it?
Allow me to give you the knowledge and history that I have on this subject.

In 1975 I moved to Roseburg, Oregon. Not long after that, I met an old trapper who owned a large ranch and was willing to teach me how to trap. He did teach me trapping methods but the first experience on his ranch was hunting blacktail deer. Upon arriving the first day on his ranch, he took a liking to me; walked up to me, eyed me up and down, then proudly boasted ‘we have bench-leg bucks on our property’. I had never heard that term before and was curious. I asked what a bench-leg buck was. He said ‘imagine a stocky work bench with the legs sawed off about half way’. He went on to say – ‘A bench-leg buck is a short-legged buck that looks like a stocky work bench with its leg sawed off about half way’. He tipped his head back and assured me ‘you’ll know once you see one’. His name was Norman and he was right about knowing once seeing.
Seeing that I was more curious for more information, he went on to tell me that the old timers had two classifications for blacktails.
1: Pacific Blacktails and 2: Cascade Blacktails. According to those guys, the Pacific Blacktails where smaller and lived closer to the coast. The Cascade Blacktails live further inland and further north. It is among the Pacific Blacktails that the bench-leg bucks live.
Their range is mainly SW Oregon. According to those who schooled me, the so-called bench-legs are only in western Oregon and the highest concentrations of them are in the SW part of the state. They told me they did not think any lived north of the Columbia River.

The old guys I met back then were born in the late 1800s. I soaked up as much information as they were willing to give out. Even in their 80s, they still ran the hills for deer and trapped in winter.

We did a drive that day for deer and I was chosen to be the designated shooter. There was a nice wide opening the deer would soon run across and I just knew I would get my buck. What I wasn’t expecting of myself was to laugh out loud when I saw a buck run across in front of me. It just happened to be a short, stocky 2 point. Instead of brining my 308 to my shoulder and putting meat in the freezer, my jaw about hit the ground. It looked as if the buck was scooting across the ground on his belly. His legs were uncharacteristically short which was hysterically funny to me. Once everyone met again to stage the next drive, I was ecstatically telling Norm about seeing my first bench-leg buck. Norm told me it is a rare experience to even see one.

I found out over time he was right. I spent every possible waking hour up in the mountains. We lived at the base of a large mountain and if I wasn’t trapping, I was scouting next season’s buck. In the 6 years I lived there, I may have seen a total of 10 of those short-legged deer. One of those bucks made it into our freezer one year. Everyone who saw it said it was the largest bodied blacktail they had ever seen. The bodies of blacktails in western Oregon are not as big as those we have here in Washington. I worked in a slaughterhouse outside of Roseburg for a time and I can tell you, the deer here average much larger. It would be similar to comparing an Idaho moose to a Yukon moose. Animals vary in size by region.

The benchleg bucks have a few distinguishing characteristics.
The first one – if you ever do get to see one – is the lack of leg length.
Number 2, they have large bodies and very large chest cavities.
Then there’s the negative characteristic – they don’t get large racks. Normally 2 points per side is all they can muster up. Rarely will they reach 3 points per side and according to the old guys I knew, they’ve never seen one with 4 points on either side. My experience was similar. The ones I saw all had small antlers and the only one that had 3 on one side was the one I harvested. The others all had 2 points at best.
A certain habit that keeps these bucks from being seen is that they are excellent at staying in thick brush. It is difficult to get them out of the thick poison oak thickets. They just sit there and let you walk by. Then they get up and sneak further into thickets the opposite direction. I spent countless hours watching and hanging out with blacktails back then. I cherished every bit of that time and learned quite a bit.

So – where does the current thought about bench-legs come from?
It was about 25 years ago (or more) that somebody wrote an article in a hunting magazine and the article was supposed to answer the question of what a bench-leg buck was. Problem was – the writer didn’t know. He stated the bench-leg was a cross-breed of blacktail and mule deer. Then as a follow-up, another writer not long afterwards, stated the same thing in a different hunting magazine.
Once written in a fine magazine, hunters everywhere would believe what was printed. I was actually surprised somebody would print the story without knowing the truth. They completely failed to give an explanation of the term ‘bench-leg’.
Think about it - what in the world does a ‘bench’ or ‘legs’ (or bringing those two words together) have to do with classifying a cross-bred deer?
If the old guys I learned it from were correct (and I believe they were) then you’ve just learned the truth about this rare buck and the terminology relating to it.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2labs on November 14, 2015, 10:46:53 AM
My friend has a Corgie :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Turner89 on November 14, 2015, 10:57:59 AM
OMG :yike:....with this new info .....what do we do?   Do we continue calling the half breeds bench legs knowing what we know now, and how much Bobcat dislikes the name? Do we have a poll / contest and come up with a new name.   :chuckle: :chuckle:  maybe just ignore/ delte Axles post?
 Lets get this figured out :chuckle:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Turner89 on November 14, 2015, 11:03:44 AM
Thanks for the story Axle :tup:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: RadSav on November 14, 2015, 11:10:29 AM
Something doesn't look right with that photo

They definitely took the fingers off the left antler (right in photo).  Odd that they didn't edit out the squirrel teeth marks too :chuckle:  Fun photo to look at though!  I'll give them an A- for creativity :tup:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Axle on November 14, 2015, 12:03:34 PM
I'll say this - I agree with Bobcat. I really don't like the name either. The explanation given to me is the only one I've ever heard that makes sense. Nobody else has had any explanation at all.
Until you actually see one of those short legged bucks up close, it's hard to believe.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: RadSav on November 14, 2015, 12:24:14 PM
Swamp Donkey is racist.
Only if the benchleg perceives it as racist.
:chuckle: :chuckle:

The picture does look a lot like the Primos logo.  :dunno:


That Will Primos...what a racist bass turd!! :o
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Lucky1 on November 14, 2015, 01:00:48 PM
Can someone please post a good picture of a benchleg buck?
One that shows how short his legs are.
I kind of am thinking maybe Bigfoot and benchleg hang out together.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: RadSav on November 14, 2015, 01:05:04 PM
I think there were a couple monster benchlegs posted in the "2014 Bucks, Post them here" thread.  Might have been 2013 but I think it was 2014 :dunno:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 14, 2015, 01:06:42 PM
My avatar pic is a benchleg.
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: RadSav on November 14, 2015, 01:24:01 PM
My avatar pic is a benchleg.

Lets keep saying "Benchleg"!  Even if we take a muledeer or a coastal blacktail I think I'll send Bobcat pictures and call it a Bencher, Bench Buck and/or Benchleg  :tung:  I can't think of a better reason to use the name now.  I might even think about changing my Hunt-WA name to "Benchleg Bryan"  Ooo, maybe design a new stubby bladed broadhead and call it the "Benchleg Buster" :IBCOOL:

I'll be like a hunter with Tourettes - throw out "Benchleg" for no apparent reason.  I'll have more ticks than a Winston cow...BENCHLEG!!! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Turner89 on November 14, 2015, 01:30:11 PM
My avatar pic is a benchleg.

Lets keep saying "Benchleg"!  Even if we take a muledeer or a coastal blacktail I think I'll send Bobcat pictures and call it a Bencher, Bench Buck and/or Benchleg  :tung:  I can't think of a better reason to use the name now.  I might even think about changing my Hunt-WA name to "Benchleg Bryan"  Ooo, maybe design a new stubby bladed broadhead and call it the "Benchleg Buster" :IBCOOL:

I'll be like a hunter with Tourettes - throw out "Benchleg" for no apparent reason.  I'll have more ticks than a Winston cow...BENCHLEG!!! :chuckle:
  :chuckle:  :chuckle: 
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: bobcat on November 14, 2015, 01:31:12 PM
I've never seen a short-legged deer, but if I ever do I'll call it a short-legged deer.  :tup:

Benchleg? What's that?     :bash:
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: grundy53 on November 14, 2015, 01:33:23 PM
I've never seen a short-legged deer, but if I ever do I'll call it a short-legged deer.  :tup:

Benchleg? What's that?     :bash:
Then we should just call bobcats short tailed cats.

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Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2labs on November 14, 2015, 01:35:56 PM
My new rifle build is the "BENCHLEG BLASTER"
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Turner89 on November 14, 2015, 01:39:47 PM
I've never seen a short-legged deer, but if I ever do I'll call it a short-legged deer.  :tup:

Benchleg? What's that?     :bash:
I haven't seen a "benchleg" buck yet either, but I do have a "benchleg" child. :)
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Curly on November 14, 2015, 02:32:13 PM
A few things I've learned on huntwa:
1. Bigfoot exists
2. Hotdogs are not sandwiches
3. Benchleg bucks are mulie/blacktail crosses
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: steeliedrew on November 14, 2015, 02:55:37 PM
A few things I've learned on huntwa:
1. Bigfoot exists
2. Hotdogs are not sandwiches
3. Benchleg bucks are mulie/blacktail crosses

You forgot 4. Pics or it didn't happen
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: coachcw on November 14, 2015, 03:01:38 PM
I've never seen a short-legged deer, but if I ever do I'll call it a short-legged deer.  :tup:

Benchleg? What's that?     :bash:
don't worry dude there's professional help out there  for you ! IT JUST A TERM LIKE COASTAL OR ROCKS MOUNTAIN ELK. the fact of the matter is if someone says benchleg  we know what they are talking about .
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Chesapeake on November 16, 2015, 01:34:12 PM
I don't get the Axle story. You call it a "bench-leg" but then describe it as a bench with the legs half cut off. So then they don't look like a "bench leg" at all.  :dunno:

In my circles a "Bench leg" is an exceptionally heavy horned and heavy bodied buck from the western slopes of the Cascades. These deer are said to inhabit the steeper higher country and to migrate like mule deer. Its basically a large blacktail that looks and behaves a lot like a mule deer. Some claim they are half breed muley/blacktail.

I believe the "bench-leg" term is a sort of one word description for the boast that the deer have shorter legs on one side due to standing on very steep side hills all their lives. They live on the benches on the western slopes of the Cascades.

Its a term used similar to "fork and a frying pan" is used to indicate very steep and rugged country. Every one knows what it means, but no one is ever going to pack a fork and frying pan down in there to eat their kill rather than pack it out. :)

The only short legged deer I've seen were Sitka Blacktails. They also tend to be small in stature.

Just to throw another stick in the spokes. In my circles "Pacific fork" describes those big old heavy forked horn bucks that never seem to grow anything but large heavy forks. They don't branch into 3's or 4's. I've seen mule deer that are similar in either forks or 3x3's....Don't have a name for them though. I've often heard folks proclaim these deer as having "regressed" in their old age, as if to say they were a 3 or 4 in their younger years.



   
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2labs on November 16, 2015, 01:53:47 PM
BENCHLEG UNGULATE ..... I LIKE IT. How bout a Benchleg Raghorn? Or a Benchleg toehead? How bout a Benchleg Swamp Donkey?
Possibilities are endless!
Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: Chesapeake on November 16, 2015, 03:06:49 PM
A swamp donkey is a moose up north or a big whitetail from the southern swamps if your down south. Neither would seem to inhabit terrain that would be befitting the title "Bench-leg".

But then I guess maybe were just talking about short legged critters resembling a bench with the legs cut short, so I guess the sky's the limit, or not. :chuckle:


Title: Re: Benchleg Buck?
Post by: 2MANY on November 16, 2015, 03:11:21 PM
Swamp Donkey is a show on TV.

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