Post by: bulldogs40 on November 13, 2015, 02:27:32 AM
Post by: RadSav on November 13, 2015, 05:49:34 AM
You can wear your hunting cloths for added warmth or other clothing to adjust for temperatures. Not much room in mummies for that.
I get a better night sleep with more freedom of movement.
If you are broad in the shoulders it's hard to find a mummy that works well.
With all that being said, if I'm headed for the high country and plan to be in a long way and remain mobile I always take the lesser weight and bulk packing the mummy.
Post by: 7mag. on November 13, 2015, 07:43:33 PM
Post by: fillthefreezer on November 14, 2015, 09:05:29 AM
Post by: RadSav on November 14, 2015, 09:12:03 AM
the switch to a quilt for me was a tough decision. i hate being cold and i have a VERY nice mummy bag. but, with 10oz of weight savings i was willing to give it a try. i have slept very comfortably in it. pluses being one that radsav mentioned, you never have to search for or snag the zipper. they are lighter than any bag. without a bottom, you dont slide off the pad and they are easy and comfortable to vent in warmer weather. i have been running a 10* all year.
What quilt are you running? Mine was heavier than my 15 degree Sierra mummy. I expect to be able to back country again next year and weight savings would be very interesting to me. Assuming it's big enough for my fat arse!!
Post by: MtnMuley on November 14, 2015, 09:27:30 AM
Post by: hogslayer on November 14, 2015, 09:32:51 AM
Post by: BeWitty on November 14, 2015, 09:34:00 AM
Let me know
Post by: fillthefreezer on November 14, 2015, 02:16:25 PM
What quilt are you running? Mine was heavier than my 15 degree Sierra mummy. I expect to be able to back country again next year and weight savings would be very interesting to me. Assuming it's big enough for my fat arse!!im running the EE enigma as well in 10* 22oz on my scale. in reg/reg. i go about 6' 190 for reference. i have taken down to 30 twice, 32 3x and under 40 a bunch. below 37, i prefer to just sleep in my hooded down jacket.
Post by: dreamingbig on November 14, 2015, 08:45:58 PM
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Post by: RadSav on November 15, 2015, 04:36:53 AM
What quilt are you running? Mine was heavier than my 15 degree Sierra mummy. I expect to be able to back country again next year and weight savings would be very interesting to me. Assuming it's big enough for my fat arse!!im running the EE enigma as well in 10* 22oz on my scale. in reg/reg. i go about 6' 190 for reference. i have taken down to 30 twice, 32 3x and under 40 a bunch. below 37, i prefer to just sleep in my hooded down jacket.
Thank you! I thought I had made up my mind on getting a Big Agnes this year. Guess I need to go back and juggle that idea around a little more.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 15, 2015, 08:58:53 PM
Post by: huntingbaldguy on November 16, 2015, 05:06:56 AM
http://www.zpacks.com/quilts/sleepingbag.shtml
Post by: swanny on November 16, 2015, 09:37:33 AM
Post by: 7mmfan on November 19, 2015, 09:31:26 AM
Post by: dscubame on November 19, 2015, 09:36:07 AM
Sort of like what everyone else has said, if it gets nasty out the quilt just doesn't keep you as warm because they do get drafty. They are perfect for warm weather or 3season camping, but come late fall through the winter and in to early spring, give me a mummy bag.
:tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 19, 2015, 10:33:58 AM
Where does all the weight savings come from? What I see on the EE website looks like a mummy bag that is opened up all the way and just doesn't have a zipper, but instead can be cinched down with a cord of some kind.There is no bottom past about the knee and no zipper, so material plus zipper, and no hood cuts the weight down.
Post by: shootnrun on November 19, 2015, 01:23:14 PM
Post by: BeWitty on November 20, 2015, 09:10:38 AM
Where does all the weight savings come from? What I see on the EE website looks like a mummy bag that is opened up all the way and just doesn't have a zipper, but instead can be cinched down with a cord of some kind.
The main weight savings come from the outer material, fill material, the no hood, and less material below you (depending on width). It's 20D material which is much thinner than many sleeping bags, and if you go downtek fill its much lighter than a synthetic such as Apex. No zipper too but add a couple lightweight pad straps
Mine is still for sale in the classifieds if anyone is interested checking one out.
Post by: high country on November 22, 2015, 04:02:04 PM
I can't see how you can improve on one.
Post by: bradslam on November 22, 2015, 07:38:08 PM
Post by: high country on November 23, 2015, 06:14:48 AM
Obviously, Western Mountaineering makes top of the line sleeping bags, but this discussion has nothing to do with a particular brand. As some others have said, a quilt offers a different type of sleeping experience. They are definitely more comfortable for side and stomach sleepers. When it is warmer out, I just drape it over me. If it gets colder, I tuck it between myself and my sleeping pad and don't seem to have a problem with drafts. To keep your head warm, wear a beanie or a down hood from a company like Enlightened Equipment or ZPacks. After using a quilt, it's tough to go back to a normal mummy again. Another option that is kind of a compromise between the two is a Sierra Designs Backcountry Bed.
I should not have been so brand specific. I just read about giving up the mummy bag and was curious if any quilt guys have ever slept in a true high quality bag vs the cabelas/rei/etc range of bags.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on November 23, 2015, 07:00:37 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on November 23, 2015, 07:43:50 AM
Anyone with a quilt ever spent the night in a western mountaineering bag?yes and feathered friends. a versalite and a swallow.
I can't see how you can improve on one.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on November 24, 2015, 05:34:49 PM
Post by: actionshooter on November 26, 2015, 10:01:49 AM
Post by: 7mag. on November 26, 2015, 11:43:02 AM
At what temps do you guys find the limit of the quilt? I like the idea but just can't fathom quilts working well in cold temps.
The coldest I've used mine is the low twenties. I was in a floorless shelter in a bivy, wearing base layers and a beanie. I was toasty warm.
Post by: fillthefreezer on December 02, 2015, 09:57:08 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 02, 2015, 11:00:09 AM
all of you guys saying when its cold, a mummy is better, whats temps are you talking? have you done it or is it hearsay?I ran my 0° down to 15° and it was a long night.
Post by: fillthefreezer on December 02, 2015, 10:38:39 PM
Post by: skagitsteel on December 03, 2015, 11:17:48 AM
At what temps do you guys find the limit of the quilt? I like the idea but just can't fathom quilts working well in cold temps.
Ive had my EE Revelation 20 degree quilt down to about 24 degrees. It worked well, I tend to thrash around in my sleep which did lead to leaking some cold air in during the middle of the night, other than that toasty warm.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 04, 2016, 08:59:26 AM
Post by: bradslam on May 04, 2016, 09:35:34 AM
I think that sirmissalot has one of their quilts. They have a great reputation, so there shouldn't be any issues with the quality. I have a quilt from another manufacturer that is wide enough to tuck underneath me when it gets cold, so I don't have any draft issues.is your wide enough to not feel like a mummy, does it have a zip bottom? Thanks, I'll PM sirmissalot
No zip bottom. Does it not feel like a mummy? Well, it just feels…different. When it's tucked underneath me, I suppose it's a little like I'm a swaddled baby. :) Whether it's a mummy bag or a quilt, if there is too much air around you, it simply won't be efficient. One big difference is that I can just throw the quilt off of me when I hear strange noises outside of the tent in the middle of the night, instead of panicking as I struggle to find the zipper. :chuckle:
Post by: jjhunter on May 04, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
Super comfortable and warm (I've only used mine down to 30 degrees). I sleep on a pad and bought the wide/long version to help counter the inability to zip the bag up. I just fold the overlap under my body and it has the same effect as being zipped.
Awesome product!
Post by: trophyhunt on May 04, 2016, 09:58:10 AM
Post by: Odell on May 04, 2016, 10:10:59 AM
I think that sirmissalot has one of their quilts. They have a great reputation, so there shouldn't be any issues with the quality. I have a quilt from another manufacturer that is wide enough to tuck underneath me when it gets cold, so I don't have any draft issues.is your wide enough to not feel like a mummy, does it have a zip bottom? Thanks, I'll PM sirmissalot
No zip bottom. Does it not feel like a mummy? Well, it just feels…different. When it's tucked underneath me, I suppose it's a little like I'm a swaddled baby. :) Whether it's a mummy bag or a quilt, if there is too much air around you, it simply won't be efficient. One big difference is that I can just throw the quilt off of me when I hear strange noises outside of the tent in the middle of the night, instead of panicking as I struggle to find the zipper. :chuckle:
Or when you wake up and have to go NOW...that's the worst...
Post by: MtnMuley on May 04, 2016, 02:43:22 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 04, 2016, 05:39:08 PM
It sounds good for the most part, wonder why they don't sell a pad that goes with it the quilt that has buttons spread out so the pad doesn't move? They do have a model that zips on the bottom part, the revelation, looks like the one!My enigma has a couple straps that when cold, I will buckle around my pad. Does a decent job at knocking down the air flow.
When it comes to nasty cold late hunts though, I'm with mtnmuley, I'm leaving the quilt at home and grabbing my slik bag.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on May 04, 2016, 05:51:03 PM
It sounds good for the most part, wonder why they don't sell a pad that goes with it the quilt that has buttons spread out so the pad doesn't move? They do have a model that zips on the bottom part, the revelation, looks like the one!
I don't have any issues with the pad moving. The EE (and many others) have straps that encircle the pad to keep quilt and pad together. If you button the top quilt button under the pad, its as if the pad is inside a mummy-style bag, only better.
What quilt are you ordering? As for size, many buyers order the quilt longer and wider so they can cover their head and wrap around them more. IMO, that's not the best option. Breathing under the quilt has the potential to create condensation under/inside the quilt. Wearing a beanie or separate down hood when its cold enough is a better idea. And a narrower quilt, that still allows for sufficient movement, allows for the least amount of dead airspace under the quilt. If you have the quilt wrapped around the pad, then a wider quilt only results in more material/down under the pad. If you wrap the quilt under your body/on top of the pad, you're compressing more down that isn't sufficient--and isn't that the reason for a quilt in the first place: to not carry material/down that is inefficiently compressed? I've had no issue with drafts from the sides. I deal with drafts from the top just like it did with a mummy bag. Just my opinion and experience. EE's FAQ's has good explanation and pics of their straps.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 04, 2016, 05:57:24 PM
Sound advice. I personally am not a fan of hoods on bags and prefer a beanie. I'm not cold blooded, but I do sleep cold for some reason, so for late october, november hunts, I still go with a mummy for the simple reason you can much more efficiently seal yourself up in them.It sounds good for the most part, wonder why they don't sell a pad that goes with it the quilt that has buttons spread out so the pad doesn't move? They do have a model that zips on the bottom part, the revelation, looks like the one!
I don't have any issues with the pad moving. The EE (and many others) have straps that encircle the pad to keep quilt and pad together. If you button the top quilt button under the pad, its as if the pad is inside a mummy-style bag, only better.
What quilt are you ordering? As for size, many buyers order the quilt longer and wider so they can cover their head and wrap around them more. IMO, that's not the best option. Breathing under the quilt has the potential to create condensation under/inside the quilt. Wearing a beanie or separate down hood when its cold enough is a better idea. And a narrower quilt, that still allows for sufficient movement, allows for the least amount of dead airspace under the quilt. If you have the quilt wrapped around the pad, then a wider quilt only results in more material/down under the pad. If you wrap the quilt under your body/on top of the pad, you're compressing more down that isn't sufficient--and isn't that the reason for a quilt in the first place: to not carry material/down that is inefficiently compressed? I've had no issue with drafts from the sides. I deal with drafts from the top just like it did with a mummy bag. Just my opinion and experience. EE's FAQ's has good explanation and pics of their straps.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 04, 2016, 05:58:42 PM
i was considering the Revelation, not sure the size or amount of down fill yet. Is it better to get the most down?It sounds good for the most part, wonder why they don't sell a pad that goes with it the quilt that has buttons spread out so the pad doesn't move? They do have a model that zips on the bottom part, the revelation, looks like the one!
I don't have any issues with the pad moving. The EE (and many others) have straps that encircle the pad to keep quilt and pad together. If you button the top quilt button under the pad, its as if the pad is inside a mummy-style bag, only better.
What quilt are you ordering? As for size, many buyers order the quilt longer and wider so they can cover their head and wrap around them more. IMO, that's not the best option. Breathing under the quilt has the potential to create condensation under/inside the quilt. Wearing a beanie or separate down hood when its cold enough is a better idea. And a narrower quilt, that still allows for sufficient movement, allows for the least amount of dead airspace under the quilt. If you have the quilt wrapped around the pad, then a wider quilt only results in more material/down under the pad. If you wrap the quilt under your body/on top of the pad, you're compressing more down that isn't sufficient--and isn't that the reason for a quilt in the first place: to not carry material/down that is inefficiently compressed? I've had no issue with drafts from the sides. I deal with drafts from the top just like it did with a mummy bag. Just my opinion and experience. EE's FAQ's has good explanation and pics of their straps.
Post by: Shawn Ryan on May 04, 2016, 06:52:05 PM
What is "better" is probably best answered by how you intend to use it. The experiences/reviews here and elsewhere by owners actual usage is probably a good guide.
I'm willing to wear my down puffy to bed on really cold nights or when my energy is low and I don't sleep as warm (bag or quilt). Some guys aren't willing to do that, so they want a warmer quilt.
I suggest getting a quilt in as low a rating as you think you'll use. You can easily use a quilt for temps above its rating, but harder to use it below its rating, unless you are willing to supplement with other clothes/puffy.
I use a bivy bag, so I ordered the 10 denier fabric because I don't need extra. I ordered the downtek bkz I sleep with no tent at times. Even though I use the bivy bag the downtek is the same price and I've got my down wet even with the bivy bag. And with the downtek, the 20 denier weather stripes seem less necessary.
I'd buy as high a quality of down as the budget can afford. 800 fill down is still incredibly great down, though. You save ounces with those dollars: something like 1.6 ounces per $100.
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Post by: johnnyaustin44 on May 04, 2016, 07:05:22 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 04, 2016, 07:37:21 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 04, 2016, 08:11:32 PM
Like Shawn said, you can add a puffy and some clothes if need be to push the rating. So far I'm very satisfied.
One good point to drive home again is a pad with a high R value. Don't want to freeze from the ground up
Post by: fillthefreezer on May 04, 2016, 10:02:57 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 07, 2016, 09:05:13 AM
Post by: fillthefreezer on May 07, 2016, 09:16:29 AM
Getting ready to order my quilt, but what are these 20d weather resistant stripes for??? 20.00 more, worth it?not in my opinion. in smaller shelter you'll often rub your feet on the wall, and get condensation on your bag. i don't think 20d is going to stay dry either if that happens. the top where you breath on it can do the same. just adds cost and weight..
Post by: trophyhunt on May 07, 2016, 09:18:50 AM
cool, thanks! I am going with 850 fill and 0 degree, should I kick it up to 900 or 950?Getting ready to order my quilt, but what are these 20d weather resistant stripes for??? 20.00 more, worth it?not in my opinion. in smaller shelter you'll often rub your feet on the wall, and get condensation on your bag. i don't think 20d is going to stay dry either if that happens. the top where you breath on it can do the same. just adds cost and weight..
Post by: kentrek on May 07, 2016, 09:24:31 AM
cool, thanks! I am going with 850 fill and 0 degree, should I kick it up to 900 or 950?Getting ready to order my quilt, but what are these 20d weather resistant stripes for??? 20.00 more, worth it?not in my opinion. in smaller shelter you'll often rub your feet on the wall, and get condensation on your bag. i don't think 20d is going to stay dry either if that happens. the top where you breath on it can do the same. just adds cost and weight..
If you have the money then sure, but youl be fine with 850
Post by: trophyhunt on May 07, 2016, 09:26:01 AM
well, I don't own a dairy but I could afford it. 😜😜. Just razzing falconcool, thanks! I am going with 850 fill and 0 degree, should I kick it up to 900 or 950?Getting ready to order my quilt, but what are these 20d weather resistant stripes for??? 20.00 more, worth it?not in my opinion. in smaller shelter you'll often rub your feet on the wall, and get condensation on your bag. i don't think 20d is going to stay dry either if that happens. the top where you breath on it can do the same. just adds cost and weight..
If you have the money then sure, but youl be fine with 850
Post by: fillthefreezer on May 07, 2016, 09:26:42 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 07, 2016, 09:44:42 AM
haha. 850 is very adequate.thanks!
Post by: 7mag. on May 07, 2016, 10:20:03 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 07, 2016, 10:58:32 AM
To be fair, he doesn't own the WHOLE dairy.true, just messen w him
Post by: 7mag. on May 07, 2016, 11:01:56 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 07, 2016, 11:13:40 AM
Ha, ha, Falcon is a good guy. Remember to get a good, high r-value pad for your quilt.great guy! What pad do you recommend?
Post by: 7mag. on May 07, 2016, 02:50:25 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 07, 2016, 02:55:15 PM
I use an Exped downmat ul7. Very comfortable and very warm, but a little heavy. FTF uses an Exped Winterlight, a little warmer and lighter, but more expensive. There are lots of options. Neo air Xtherm has good reviews, but I've never used one.i will check them out!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 07, 2016, 07:51:25 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 08, 2016, 09:05:27 AM
Post by: 7mag. on May 08, 2016, 10:38:27 AM
So, more questions. They have short and regular lengths, I'm just under 5'7 and the short is 5'6". Regular is 6'. Also, do I go with regular, wide or xwide? I just don't want to go to big and add weight for no reason.
I'm 6'1, 215 lbs and I use a regular length, wide.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 08, 2016, 11:05:07 AM