Post by: sled on November 15, 2015, 12:32:56 AM
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on November 15, 2015, 04:17:08 AM
Seen a few from the Winston on cell pics from 2014. Muzzleloader bull. Feet were missing. Just stinky nubs.
Post by: sled on November 15, 2015, 08:22:38 AM
Post by: BA Mongor on November 15, 2015, 09:53:14 AM
The (4) bulls this morning, in front of the house, all but (1) didn't have it. The big split G4 bull that's been around for the past 3-years finally got it this past year. He's been healthy before this year, so it's still not going away anytime soon.
It's absolutely horrible to watch them wither away, as well as seeing coyotes eat them alive. And the fact that I originally had only (1) cougar around and now have pictures of (3) !
Not sure when it's going to get better, but I hope it's soon.
BA
Post by: JakeLand on November 15, 2015, 04:33:32 PM
Post by: JJB11B on November 15, 2015, 04:36:43 PM
Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?Obama!
Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on November 15, 2015, 04:52:27 PM
Post by: chester on November 15, 2015, 09:50:32 PM
Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?
Leptospirosis is one theory
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Post by: Curly on November 15, 2015, 09:53:36 PM
Post by: 2labs on November 15, 2015, 09:57:26 PM
Post by: Thehowler on November 15, 2015, 10:13:03 PM
Post by: JJB11B on November 15, 2015, 10:19:58 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on November 15, 2015, 10:40:10 PM
Sorry for my ignorance but what causes hoof rot ?
http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/ehd/handouts_011415_EHD.pdf (http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/advisory/ehd/handouts_011415_EHD.pdf)
Here is a start. Go to Page 42 for a peer reviewed paper from the journal of Clinical Microbiology. There are a few more peer reviewed papers out. Not sure I can share based on membership rules and publishing rights and ect.
Google Treponemes and Chronic Digital dermatitis in Ovines and Bovines. Also try Hairy Warts in cows.
That will get you started if you are truly interested in what is believed to be the cause. Understand that there is a lot still to be determined. It is not known if Treponemes are the cause or another bacteria or something facilitates. Keep in mind the livestock and dairy industry have been fighting Treponeme associated hoof problems for years. While they can treat it they have not found a cure or a immunization for it. They can treat it. Very labor intensive. Also consider that most, exception is Saint Helens, appears to be with elk that spend a lot of time in agricultural areas. Really not a natural behavior for elk. Standing in fields that are treated with waste or in fields that are so wet the a good producer would not run cows on during winter is not good for elk as it is not good for live stock. Elk behavioral ecology is to move about the landscape so predators have a harder time finding them.
Leptospirosis has been ruled out yet is pushed by a few who with an agenda. Best thing sports people can do is tell them to shut up or provide relevant information and protocol for investigating. Spraying has also been ruled out as a cause. Does not mean the spraying does not have other affects that may cause problems at the population level.
And to end this hunters need to show that they are informed. It is not HOOF ROT! That is another disease that afflicts livestock. Hunters need to learn that it is more accurate to say hoof deformity or hoof disease.
That said I still say horn or bone when technically they are antlers.
No amount of education or experience can take ought the thoughts of a Red Neck Hunter who know where His Meat Comes from out of him! It is a genetic thing! :tup:
Post by: Thehowler on November 15, 2015, 11:11:40 PM
Post by: redalder on November 17, 2015, 06:44:22 AM
My (2) local herds outside of Skamokawa, (16) and (7) strong, are batting around 50% infected.
The (4) bulls this morning, in front of the house, all but (1) didn't have it. The big split G4 bull that's been around for the past 3-years finally got it this past year. He's been healthy before this year, so it's still not going away anytime soon.
It's absolutely horrible to watch them wither away, as well as seeing coyotes eat them alive. And the fact that I originally had only (1) cougar around and now have pictures of (3) !
Not sure when it's going to get better, but I hope it's soon.
BA
I'm in Skamokawa, too, and my place has steadily declined in elk activity and sign over the past 2-3 years. I didn't get any animals crossing my place on their way between valleys during the hunting season so far this year, first year I can remember that that didn't happen. I don't think I've ever seen a group of elk around here for several years now that didn't have at least 20% or more of the animals affected.
Post by: grundy53 on November 17, 2015, 07:55:37 AM
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Post by: DIYARCHERYJUNKIE on November 17, 2015, 08:17:06 AM
Post by: AdnaHunter on November 20, 2015, 06:03:58 AM
Post by: Lightning_Rider on November 20, 2015, 06:08:39 AM
Saw a lot less hoof rot around my area this year than in years past.:yeah:
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Post by: floatinghat on November 20, 2015, 01:56:11 PM
Post by: GregE on November 20, 2015, 09:18:31 PM
Post by: SCRUBS on November 20, 2015, 10:00:52 PM
Post by: washingtonhunter121 on November 20, 2015, 10:11:31 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 20, 2015, 10:26:07 PM
Post by: SCRUBS on November 21, 2015, 08:49:08 AM
Just a westside thing from everything that I have seen. In ryderwood and willapa hills this year didn't see a limping animal above 500 feet above the fields but it's about 40 to 50 percent when you look at the field elk in farmers fields or in the lower levels of the timberland. I think they either die up high in the hills or they migrate down to join the field elk.Watched 4 Bulls in a field with 25 or so and 15 limped and two of the Bulls looked like they could barely stand on their front legs. But pretty sure Grundy is in a similar area and by far less limping elk in the hilly areas then the last few years and same number of hoof rot animals down low.
Thank you for the info washingtonhunter121.
Post by: HntnFsh on November 21, 2015, 03:41:14 PM
Post by: rem/sav300 on November 24, 2015, 08:41:46 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on November 24, 2015, 08:51:28 PM
There are documented cases of it on the east side too. Pretty much statewide snymore. Just not as high of numbers affected yet.
What documented cased? Proof that is the same as the west side please.
Post by: fishnfur on November 25, 2015, 10:32:31 AM
I don't think "ruled out" is a scientifically correct way to state that. If I remember correctly, they did a small study that had inconclusive results on Leptospirosis, and no studies at all rule out long term exposure effects of spraying herbicides and pesticides in timberlands. Correct me if I'm wrong, and show me the studies.
Google "hoof rot elk" and read more than just the WDFW literature. Call me stupid and a redneck, but I was microbiology major way back when, and I'm not signing off on Treponema as a sole cause of the affliction without further evidence. It goes against my training and nature.
Don't think for a moment that WDFW doesn't have their own political agendas that may be playing into the study of this disease.
Post by: Squidward on November 25, 2015, 10:41:15 AM
Post by: Martinhunter on December 15, 2015, 11:23:45 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 16, 2015, 06:23:17 AM
I maintain that it was the POTUS
This would certainly explain the stonewalling by the state government! :chuckle:
Post by: GregE on December 16, 2015, 02:01:57 PM
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