Post by: ghosthunter on November 22, 2015, 07:18:15 PM
I have a 14 year old Grandson. Who will go through H.E. Next year.
He was born with bi lateral cleft lip and pallet. He has many surgeries over the years on his face,mouth and ears.
Children with cleft you may not know often have severe problem with their ears.
On top of this his ears are extremely sensitive to noise like the report of a firearm.
Even with muffs. If his parents take him any where loud noise might be present they also take muffs.
He has been shooting .22s for years. But is only now wanting to step up to higher caliber rifle.
Sooooo here is my mission;
I want to buy him one rifle that can take any game in Washington.
Coyote,bear,deer,elk.
Must be low re- coil or fitted with the best recoil reducer possible.
Low report or be able to be fitted with suppressor .
Must be bolt action, right handed.
Topped with a 3x9 scope.
So what are your suggestions? Or ideas.
Post by: Dan-o on November 22, 2015, 07:21:43 PM
If you got him a 7MM-08, you'd be good to go for anything.
I don't know how to cut down on noise......
Post by: ghosthunter on November 22, 2015, 07:24:55 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on November 22, 2015, 07:27:10 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 22, 2015, 07:29:04 PM
Post by: Mark251 on November 22, 2015, 07:30:11 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 22, 2015, 07:30:36 PM
What are thoughts on a .308 or .243 ?
243, 7mm-08 (.284) and 308 are all the same case, just necked down to accommodate smaller diameter bullets. ;)
Post by: Westside88 on November 22, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 22, 2015, 07:37:59 PM
Since you said suppressor I am guessing someone he can hunt with has one? A great choice would be a ruger predator in 308. Already threaded and ready for a suppressor. I run one and they are great guns. Basically the same as the plain American models.
A suppressor can take a year or more to get with the wait times and you are looking at a 200.00 tax stamp and atleast 500 for a 30 cal suppressor. So figure atleast 700.00 if you are going that route.
Post by: Hilltop123 on November 22, 2015, 07:44:42 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on November 22, 2015, 07:45:07 PM
Ruger American Compact 7mm-08 http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifleCompact/specSheets/6909.html
Shoter barrel rifles seem like they have more felt recoil? Any thoughts?
Post by: teanawayslayer on November 22, 2015, 07:46:00 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on November 22, 2015, 07:55:45 PM
I just purchased the savage model 11 scout chambered in .308. It comes with a muzzle brake. He is 9 and shoots it well. He put 30 rounds through it the other day with no problem. It has removable spacers on the stock to fit him now and put the spacers back in as he grows. It also has an adjustable cheek pad.
I have never used a muzzle break but there was some discussion that they increase report. Any thoughts?
Post by: ghosthunter on November 22, 2015, 07:58:53 PM
I'm sure you'll get many good suggestions for a low recoil versital caliber. Is a sound suppressor an option? I'm not very versed in the rules for them, but I thought there was talk of allowing them for hunting.
They are legal but they add some to the overall cost. Not sure about all the ins and outs with them.
Previous post says year to get and 200.00 tax.
Post by: ghosthunter on November 22, 2015, 08:00:07 PM
Post by: scottfrick on November 22, 2015, 08:00:22 PM
Post by: lamrith on November 22, 2015, 08:04:39 PM
For a can, no need to got high$. $200 stamp, 140day wait (currently for form1 efile) and build one yourself. Wait is not a year the last I checked, even for paper file, looks like around the same 140days, but have to add postal time ontop of that and shop delays... Buying one takes longer due to being paper filed. I built one a few months back after getting my form1 efile stamp. I am $400 TOTAL including stamp.. Cans are supposed to lower recoil too so you get a double benefit, they are legal to hunt with here. Just know they often alter POI verses the bare barrel, so make sure to practice and sight in with it.
Post by: hunting4sanity on November 22, 2015, 08:06:45 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on November 22, 2015, 08:31:10 PM
I own a .308 semi auto. And I have a ton of fired once brass.
.308 might be a option.
Post by: Stein on November 22, 2015, 08:33:21 PM
Dick's has a Savage Axis in today's add (with a fishbonker 3x9) for $199.
If you got him a 7MM-08, you'd be good to go for anything.
I don't know how to cut down on noise......
Second the Axis, although I would get it in 30-06 for me, maybe .308 for you. Unfortunately you will probably double the cost of the rifle putting a brake on it.
Post by: teanawayslayer on November 22, 2015, 08:34:42 PM
it's not bad at allI just purchased the savage model 11 scout chambered in .308. It comes with a muzzle brake. He is 9 and shoots it well. He put 30 rounds through it the other day with no problem. It has removable spacers on the stock to fit him now and put the spacers back in as he grows. It also has an adjustable cheek pad.
I have never used a muzzle break but there was some discussion that they increase report. Any thoughts?
Post by: ghosthunter on November 22, 2015, 08:34:59 PM
Not sure how close you are too me, but I have a bunch of smaller caliber rifles such as .257, 3 270s, and my wife's .308. If you want to meet up sometime at a range I can bring those rifles and he can try them out to see which one fits him best. We can buy the lowest recoil ammo we can and figure something out with the noise reduction. Think it'll help narrow things down for him. If interested let me know, I'm always available. Just send me a pm!
Thank you for the offer. They are still doing some work on his ears. So may be spring early summer before I get him at a range bench.
Post by: Stein on November 22, 2015, 08:36:44 PM
it's not bad at allI just purchased the savage model 11 scout chambered in .308. It comes with a muzzle brake. He is 9 and shoots it well. He put 30 rounds through it the other day with no problem. It has removable spacers on the stock to fit him now and put the spacers back in as he grows. It also has an adjustable cheek pad.
I have never used a muzzle break but there was some discussion that they increase report. Any thoughts?
Depending on where you are standing. Not bad for the shooter, not good for the guy standing next to him.
Post by: Hilltop123 on November 22, 2015, 08:38:17 PM
I haven't relaxed in years.Looks like you had the answer all along! Now match it with the right ammo, and your off running!
I own a .308 semi auto. And I have a ton of fired once brass.
.308 might be a option.
Post by: 2labs on November 22, 2015, 08:40:46 PM
Post by: fastdam on November 22, 2015, 08:42:26 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on November 22, 2015, 08:55:05 PM
That .308 semi. Might be the ticket for few years. Low recoil and from gramps. :tup:
I thought about it but it is a heavy gun. And lots of buttons to push. Pulling the bolt back takes some jucie.
I brought him along with a bolt action. Kind like to stay with it until he gets some experience on the mountain with it.
Post by: huntnphool on November 22, 2015, 09:09:57 PM
Ruger American Compact 7mm-08 http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifleCompact/specSheets/6909.html
Shoter barrel rifles seem like they have more felt recoil? Any thoughts?
Neither of my kids have a issue with their short barrel rifles, your grandson is welcome to try them out if you want to take a drive down, or I'll be up that way in the next couple months and can bring them.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 22, 2015, 09:14:49 PM
7-08 as mentioned or 6.5 grendel. Grendel is a great round for recoil sensitive people.
For a can, no need to got high$. $200 stamp, 140day wait (currently for form1 efile) and build one yourself. Wait is not a year the last I checked, even for paper file, looks like around the same 140days, but have to add postal time ontop of that and shop delays... Buying one takes longer due to being paper filed.
For first time applicants using a trust paper filed it right at a year. I know 6 different people that are between 10-15 months right now waiting for there suppressors. Another state or 2 was made legal and flooded the paperwork.
it took me right a year to get my first 3 from a sponsor on here. paper file.
I have not used the efile and last time I knew it was crashed but that was a few months ago.
For people that already have some setup. They are getting them back around 3-4 months that's the wait for the stamp. Most time the transfer from wholesaler or manufacture can take a month or so as well. Unless a dealer has them in stock.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on November 22, 2015, 10:53:16 PM
Post by: Firedogg on November 22, 2015, 11:06:58 PM
As far as a rifle, which you have gotten plenty of advice on I would look at one of the Ruger 77s in .270 Win, and add in one of the recoil reducing devices into the stock. They greatly reduce felt recoil, add a little weight, but recoil is reduced more so than a break and you don't get the noise increase.
Something like this that you can pick up online through Brownells
http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/recoil-parts/recoil-reducers/recoil-reduction-system-prod6728.aspx
Post by: ghosthunter on November 23, 2015, 07:28:07 AM
Ruger American Compact 7mm-08 http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifleCompact/specSheets/6909.html
Shoter barrel rifles seem like they have more felt recoil? Any thoughts?
Neither of my kids have a issue with their short barrel rifles, your grandson is welcome to try them out if you want to take a drive down, or I'll be up that way in the next couple months and can bring them.
Thanks
I might be over thinking it. I have been bringing him along real slow because of the ear thing. He is ok being around my 30.06 as long as he is back a ways and got full protection.
Post by: ghosthunter on November 23, 2015, 07:34:22 AM
Post by: lamrith on November 23, 2015, 08:55:12 AM
I filed SBR in March and got caught in that fiasco, so I was never setup in thier system. On 4/23/15 I filed for my Form1 Efile can with a brand new trust, I was approved 8/11/15.7-08 as mentioned or 6.5 grendel. Grendel is a great round for recoil sensitive people.
For a can, no need to got high$. $200 stamp, 140day wait (currently for form1 efile) and build one yourself. Wait is not a year the last I checked, even for paper file, looks like around the same 140days, but have to add postal time ontop of that and shop delays... Buying one takes longer due to being paper filed.
For first time applicants using a trust paper filed it right at a year. I know 6 different people that are between 10-15 months right now waiting for there suppressors. Another state or 2 was made legal and flooded the paperwork.
it took me right a year to get my first 3 from a sponsor on here. paper file.
I have not used the efile and last time I knew it was crashed but that was a few months ago.
For people that already have some setup. They are getting them back around 3-4 months that's the wait for the stamp. Most time the transfer from wholesaler or manufacture can take a month or so as well. Unless a dealer has them in stock.
You touched on the real issue people buying Manufactured Cans from stores/online take so long to get their Can. Per the NFA tracker site linked form4 are sitting at the same 140day avg as the Efile form1. However that is NFA process time, not including the time lost by store, USPS etc.. Most paper file ones have huge lag due to store/warehouse time ontop of the physical mail time of the forms back and forth. That is why I highly recommend people do a Form1 Efile and DIY can and cut the wait down by a good month or much more depending on the store/online company..
The Efile system has not crashed. It does go down every Wed for maintenance, so maybe someone saw that and started spreading rumors, there is also a once a month big maintenance that takes it down for a while.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 24, 2015, 02:16:12 PM
They have there paper person stamps taking about 9 months, there trusts taking about 5 months on there site they keep up on. Like you said if you build one you can get done sooner for sure. For people buying them I think 7 months atleast is a good guess. Like I said I know tons of people waiting right now that have had stuff in for 10-15 months.
Post by: runningboard on November 24, 2015, 02:44:20 PM
Post by: lamrith on November 24, 2015, 02:49:21 PM
I looked on silencer shop.com which is one of the biggest suppressor dealers and they have a post on there saying that in late april the efile sytem went down and they are not offer it :dunno:Yeah I believe the ATF was taking form4 (what a dealer would submit for you) efile for a while but have stopped that. Only form1 (which the dealers cannot do) are being taken via Efile now, so that message from them makes sense. I just got my Form1 approval thru the efile site in Aug 2015...
They have there paper person stamps taking about 9 months, there trusts taking about 5 months on there site they keep up on. Like you said if you build one you can get done sooner for sure. For people buying them I think 7 months atleast is a good guess. Like I said I know tons of people waiting right now that have had stuff in for 10-15 months.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 24, 2015, 02:53:01 PM
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Post by: yorketransport on November 26, 2015, 08:36:18 AM
I might be over thinking it. I have been bringing him along real slow because of the ear thing. He is ok being around my 30.06 as long as he is back a ways and got full protection.
My 11 y/o son has incredibly sensitive hearing so it's been a slow process getting him into shooting larger calibers. In fact he goes and sits in the cab of the truck with plugs and muffs on when I pull out any of my guns. It's been a gradual climb from 22 lr, to a 22 hornet, 6mm BR, 6.5 Grendel, and now I'm working on a 6.5x47 Lapua. What I've noticed with him is that a longer barrel helps. Short barrels put muzzle blast right in the shooter's face which makes the perceived recoil worse. The longer barrel moves it away from the shooter enough to take some of the edge off.
The best advice i can give you is go slow and work at his pace if the muzzle blast is an issue. It took months to get my son comfortable with the 6mm BR and one shot from a 243 sent us back to the 22 hornet again.
Andrew
Post by: ghosthunter on July 28, 2016, 06:41:58 PM
My grandson stepped up this month and passed Hunter Ed 100%.
Shot a 20 gauge no problem. Even broke a clay on first shot. Seems like he really grew up .
So we decided on a Savage Axis, Real Tree Cammo stock ,full length.
In 7mm 08. 3x9 Bushnell scope .
We picked it up today and will be heading to the range, later this week.
I went back and forth from the Ruger American and the Axis.
In the end I went with the Axis. My buddy bought two Americans for his grandsons.
But the Ruger has a known problem with the comb and no scope.
He handled it tonight seems like it fits him fine.
Post by: brew on July 28, 2016, 07:07:06 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on August 07, 2016, 06:24:05 PM
Got the final tune up and sight in today.
I am impressed in how well it shoots and he shoots it.
140 grain Nolser Partition shoots the best out of it.
Three boxes of shells through it and no recoil problem for him. Picked him up a used Gunrunner pack . So we are set now. Going to try to get out after a bear. Soon.
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