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Title: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: pope on November 23, 2015, 03:20:17 PM: I could use a recommendation on a butcher you have used within a reasonable distance of Bonney Lake (near Puyallup/Enumclaw if you don't know). Looking for prompt service, reasonable price, etc. Also, what percent and what kind of fat do you like to add to deer meat? I have about 40 pounds off the bone, minus whatever the back straps weigh (I plan to have fun with them but the rest is going to burger).
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: js139 on November 23, 2015, 03:25:30 PM: Olson Meats in Enumclaw is fantastic. We've took 2 big bulls to them this year and they had it back to us in less than 2 weeks. Quick processing, good price, high quality work. We've been using them for some time and never a bad experience.

If you are looking for a treat, have some turned into their pepper jack pepperoni. It is worth the money as well.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Thehowler on November 23, 2015, 03:58:17 PM: I always go with 5% fat, just enough to hold together well.
Pork fat is a little more expensive but it is suppose to mellow out any game taste alittle . I don't know, I guess my taste buds aren't as sensitive as a few folks I know.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: C-Money on November 23, 2015, 04:01:06 PM: You already have the hard work done if its boned out....crazy silly how easy it is to grind your own. A Cabelas grinder, a pork shoulder, and you are set for years to come!! I held out a long time before I did my own deer, wish I started earlier. If you take it to a butcher, have them grind in some pork shoulder, maybe 30%. Some folks go 50/50. I hope you find a good butcher for your meat.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: philepe on November 23, 2015, 05:33:57 PM: I don't add any pork or beef fat to my venison burger. I'd rather not have to wory about is my burger cooked safe and thoroughly. We add an egg and bread crumbs to hold it together when cooking. Ya sure it is a little crumbly but I like being able to have worry free burger if it's still pink when cooked.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: lamrith on November 23, 2015, 06:27:51 PM: Cabelas had the smaller grinder on sale. I met with a member here and ground up my deer meat using the grinder and it had NO issues, so when it went on sale for $90 I snagged it.. You will save $ long term versus someone else doing it. plus then you know exactly what fat is being added and that you are getting all YOUR meat back..

Cabelas Heavy Duty Grinder (http://www.cabelas.com/product/cabela-s-heavy-duty-grinder/1387520.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3D540708%26x%3D10%26y%3D6%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%252BProducts&Ntt=540708)
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: pope on November 23, 2015, 06:36:40 PM: So here's my situation. I'm a dad who is OBSESSED with hunting blacktail deer. This is my first big game animal. I want my family to like the harvest. Previously they've tried a sample of elk steak from my neighbor (I liked it, but my wife was repulsed...I think it was the teriyaki marinade my neighbor used, she thought it was "gamey", my oldest daughter claimed to like it but didn't ask for more). Interestingly, my great friend and mentor Justyhunter gave me two pounds of bear burger and my wife and oldest daughter loved it. I mean, it disappeared in two days. They both enjoy making "taco meat" for salads and occasionally burritos.

The deer meat was harvested on a cold day, broken down in the field via the "gutless method". I drove home Saturday with the windows down and arrived home with chattering teeth. I took half the meat off the bone Saturday night and finished Sunday morning. This meat cooled quickly.

I called Olson's Meat in Enumclaw and their prices are fair. But what's going to make the girls love this? Pork shoulder mix? Pork fat? Beef fat? I just want them to demand me to get another deer next year.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Buzz2401 on November 23, 2015, 06:46:24 PM: The more fat you add the better it will taste, just the way it is. 20% would not be to much. You will be miles ahead if you buy a grinder and do it yourself. I have killed over a dozen elk and probably close to 20 deer and Game meat is all I eat. I am exactly like your wife. If my game meat isn't prepared a certain way I hate it. It took me probably 10+ years to figuire out how I like it cooked. We cut our own and we make burger, steaks, roasts, stew meat, italian sausage, maple breakfast sausage, pepperoni, and jerky. Between my wife and I we got one elk and two deer. We spent a total of about $100 to process all three and make everything listed. We ended up with over 275lbs of boneless meat for less then $100. I personally mix my burger at either 10% clean pork fat ot 20% pork shoulder.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: lamrith on November 23, 2015, 06:47:35 PM: Sounds like you did well harvesting the meat. The other issue with the animal itself (age, season, rutting hard, ran after hit a while) as well as what it's diet was. I have had elk that was gamey and elk that tasted like super lean beef and I have not had that much wild game.. It really can vary greatly. One thing I have heard repeatedly is to remove ALL fat from game meat.

My thought would be to see if there is a cut or steak that you can make yourself with little seasoning and see how it is before you proceed with grinding??
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: JKEEN33 on November 23, 2015, 06:53:04 PM: If you want them to love it get Olsons pepperoni made. If you want to grind burger yourself, I have a cabelas commercial grinder and I'm willing to help. I'm in Enumclaw. I don't add anything at all, but that's all personal preference. I know Dave too. Good guy.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: rickomatic on November 23, 2015, 09:21:14 PM: 1/3 hickory smoked bacon with 2/3 venison. Grind ours with the grinder attachment on the wife's KitchenAid mixer. FANTASTIC!
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: jackelope on November 23, 2015, 10:36:01 PM: I didn't weigh anything out but I ground my own. For every 5 or 6 handfuls of meat through the grinder i threw in a slice of hemplers center cut bacon. Did that for probably 30 pounds of burger, then ground it all again. Love it. My wife and kid will only eat it well done anyway so there's no issue with cooking it. I agree with others in saying that you'd be money ahead buying yourself a grinder if they like it. As far as other meats, the female units in my house really seem to like anything slow cooked. I.e. Crockpot recipes. Got one going on in the morning for dinner tomorrow night.
Title: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: bobcat on November 23, 2015, 10:52:23 PM: My wife likes our game ground with pork, so that's what we've been doing. We generally use a pork shoulder roast like others have mentioned. We do about 20%. You don't really need to worry about cooking it well done, at least we don't because it's always frozen before we cook it so it should be safe.

Before I got married and even for a while after that, I never added anything to my ground venison. Personally I prefer it that way. I like knowing its 100% wild game and healthy as can be. But I don't mind adding the pork if my wife likes it better that way.

I always make as many steaks as I can out of the hind quarters. Cook them quickly, only a few minutes per side, so they're medium rare. My kids love the steaks that way. I don't use any seasoning except salt and pepper, and use olive oil in the frying pan. My kids are so spoiled they complain if we ever have beef steak.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: C-Money on November 24, 2015, 06:00:09 AM: We cut up our deer meat and pork shoulder into grinder size chunks. one big pork shoulder is almost enough pork for one deer, I usually have a pork shoulder roast in the fridge in case I need a little more. 2,3 maybe 4 chunks of deer , toss in a pork chunk. Use the large plate first, then regrind all your meat through the medium plate. Done. Your family will love it.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: billythekidrock on November 24, 2015, 06:07:27 AM: Quote from: lamrith on November 23, 2015, 06:27:51 PM
Cabelas had the smaller grinder on sale. I met with a member here and ground up my deer meat using the grinder and it had NO issues, so when it went on sale for $90 I snagged it.. You will save $ long term versus someone else doing it. plus then you know exactly what fat is being added and that you are getting all YOUR meat back..

Cabelas Heavy Duty Grinder (http://www.cabelas.com/product/cabela-s-heavy-duty-grinder/1387520.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3D540708%26x%3D10%26y%3D6%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%252BProducts&Ntt=540708)

Fair warning that these are not heavy duty and are easy to burn out in a couple years if you grind several critters a year.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: billythekidrock on November 24, 2015, 06:11:45 AM: Quote from: pope on November 23, 2015, 06:36:40 PM
So here's my situation. I'm a dad who is OBSESSED with hunting blacktail deer. This is my first big game animal. I want my family to like the harvest. Previously they've tried a sample of elk steak from my neighbor (I liked it, but my wife was repulsed...I think it was the teriyaki marinade my neighbor used, she thought it was "gamey", my oldest daughter claimed to like it but didn't ask for more). Interestingly, my great friend and mentor Justyhunter gave me two pounds of bear burger and my wife and oldest daughter loved it. I mean, it disappeared in two days. They both enjoy making "taco meat" for salads and occasionally burritos.

The deer meat was harvested on a cold day, broken down in the field via the "gutless method". I drove home Saturday with the windows down and arrived home with chattering teeth. I took half the meat off the bone Saturday night and finished Sunday morning. This meat cooled quickly.

I called Olson's Meat in Enumclaw and their prices are fair. But what's going to make the girls love this? Pork shoulder mix? Pork fat? Beef fat? I just want them to demand me to get another deer next year.

Beef suet will give it a slight beef flavor and bind it well for burgers.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Gobble on November 24, 2015, 07:01:59 AM: Quote from: js139 on November 23, 2015, 03:25:30 PM
Olson Meats in Enumclaw is fantastic. We've took 2 big bulls to them this year and they had it back to us in less than 2 weeks. Quick processing, good price, high quality work. We've been using them for some time and never a bad experience.

If you are looking for a treat, have some turned into their pepper jack pepperoni. It is worth the money as well.

I took mine to them last year to process some pepperoni, fantastic job and had my meat back in less than a week, I have some meat in the freezer from a couple of weeks ago that will be going to him shortly for some more pep :tup:
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Elkrunner on November 24, 2015, 07:03:34 AM: I like to go with 10% pork shoulder.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Gobble on November 24, 2015, 07:06:50 AM: When I make my own sausage at home I go to Winco and buy the fresh chubs of ground pork to mix in with my ground game, its already ground up and makes the perfect mix of fat and makes the job easy :twocents:
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Curly on November 24, 2015, 08:10:23 AM: I like to grind my meat with nothing added. We like making tacos and burritos with ground meat and its nice to not have to drain off fat after cooking the burger.

On the occasions that hamburger patties are made you can add egg to it or fatty beef hamburger can be mixed.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: lamrith on November 24, 2015, 09:02:54 AM: Quote from: Curly on November 24, 2015, 08:10:23 AM
I like to grind my meat with nothing added. We like making tacos and burritos with ground meat and its nice to not have to drain off fat after cooking the burger.

On the occasions that hamburger patties are made you can add egg to it or fatty beef hamburger can be mixed.

If do a straight initial grind I I have heard that grinding in bacon for those burgers works very well...
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: kball4 on November 24, 2015, 09:33:43 AM: Double T meats in Eatonville is a good place, very clean too.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: birddogdad on November 24, 2015, 09:54:17 AM: Quote from: pope on November 23, 2015, 03:20:17 PM
I could use a recommendation on a butcher you have used within a reasonable distance of Bonney Lake (near Puyallup/Enumclaw if you don't know). Looking for prompt service, reasonable price, etc. Also, what percent and what kind of fat do you like to add to deer meat? I have about 40 pounds off the bone, minus whatever the back straps weigh (I plan to have fun with them but the rest is going to burger).

for what you are about to pay, I would recommend a nice Cabelas commercial grade grinder... then your future endeavors are easier!
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Elkrunner on November 24, 2015, 10:35:11 AM: Quote from: lamrith on November 24, 2015, 09:02:54 AM
Quote from: Curly on November 24, 2015, 08:10:23 AM
I like to grind my meat with nothing added. We like making tacos and burritos with ground meat and its nice to not have to drain off fat after cooking the burger.

On the occasions that hamburger patties are made you can add egg to it or fatty beef hamburger can be mixed.

If do a straight initial grind I I have heard that grinding in bacon for those burgers works very well...

I just used bacon ends in my burger on my deer this weekend. Taste good for burgers.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: 206 on November 24, 2015, 10:43:40 AM: Did the bacon thing once. How can you get the bacon in the middle of the burg cooked without frying the heck out of it?
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Elkrunner on November 24, 2015, 10:45:52 AM: never had an issue with it. I try and slow cook that burgers on the grill. It also taste great in hamburger helper which the kids like.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: WAnoob on November 24, 2015, 02:52:50 PM: Quote from: 206 on November 24, 2015, 10:43:40 AM
Did the bacon thing once. How can you get the bacon in the middle of the burg cooked without frying the heck out of it?

You could try the juicy loosey method where they use two thin patties and mold it around the cheese (or bacon in your case) and then cook it :dunno:
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: lamrith on November 24, 2015, 02:55:21 PM: The way I was told was put the burger and bacon thru the grinder so the bacon is not strips it is finely ground into the meat, so should all cook the same as the burger..
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: WAnoob on November 24, 2015, 02:56:21 PM: Quote from: lamrith on November 24, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
The way I was told was put the burger and bacon thrut eh grinder so the bacon is not strips it is finely ground into the meat, so should all cook the same as the burger..

Thanks for pointing that out, I think I misunderstood what he was asking :tup:
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: pope on November 25, 2015, 10:27:47 AM: Thanks everybody for your suggestions. I appreciate and considered every one of them. I took about 75% of the meat to Olson's and will have 10% pork shoulder added. I kept the rest and intend to do something other than burger. I love stews and anything in the crock pot cooking all day, and I definitely want to make some jerky.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: C-Money on November 25, 2015, 10:57:19 AM: Quote from: pope on November 25, 2015, 10:27:47 AM
Thanks everybody for your suggestions. I appreciate and considered every one of them. I took about 75% of the meat to Olson's and will have 10% pork shoulder added. I kept the rest and intend to do something other than burger. I love stews and anything in the crock pot cooking all day, and I definitely want to make some jerky.

Should be delicious! :drool:
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Band on November 25, 2015, 08:31:47 PM: For those of you adding beef or pork fat to what you grind, where are you getting the fat from? I'm finding it more and more difficult to find from local grocery store meat departments and at higher prices when I can find it.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: bugle1in on November 25, 2015, 11:10:08 PM: Green valley meats in auburn. Get their steak trim its under 3 bucks a pound and the best to grind 20% for deer. You can feed this to anyone if your game is well taken care of. Which it sounds like yours was. I have tried it all and this for me has worked best. For hamburgers get the bacon ends and grind as noted above. Best burgers you will eat. Call ahead and they will have the steak trim ready.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: pope on November 26, 2015, 06:30:42 AM: My gosh, this is incredibly exciting for me, first deer and a young, pretty blacktail buck. I tried so long.....I'll write up the story soon, hopefully over Thanksgiving holiday. Going to try a DIY European mount, wish me luck. Anyway, I'm pretty sure my girls will like the burger. I mentioned keeping about 25% of the best cuts out of the burger. Last night, the girls were out of the house running around with their busy schedules and I had a moment to myself. I fired up the barbecue and cooked up some smaller pieces of backstrap which have been in the fridge since Saturday night. Cooled quickly, never frozen. I followed the recommendations of many and used high heat and cooked 'em pretty rare, using only freshly ground salt and pepper with avocado oil. The results were incredible, tender and tasty, not at all gamey.

(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1291.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fb546%2Fpope314%2F20151125_164137_zpsxp8cjg0n.jpg&hash=499cc09d6076586239140052b33ac66a25ab88ba)

Venison prepped for the fire.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Tom Tamer on November 26, 2015, 07:10:09 AM: Grinder, head to a local butcher pick up pork suet, that way I have just enough fat to bind it while not mixing in pork meat itself. 10% for burger and 20% for sausage. Easy little scale measure out a lb at a time, add the percentage of pork. I double grind hamburger and triple grind sausage.
Title: Re: Looking to have some burger made near Bonney Lake
Post by: Tom Tamer on November 26, 2015, 07:11:40 AM: Quote from: Band on November 25, 2015, 08:31:47 PM
For those of you adding beef or pork fat to what you grind, where are you getting the fat from? I'm finding it more and more difficult to find from local grocery store meat departments and at higher prices when I can find it.

I use green Valley Meats. Ask for suet, if they haven't just done up their sausage they usually have it.