Post by: dreamingbig on January 21, 2009, 04:36:12 PM
1. Reduction of 7 days of archery deer by 2011.
2. Losing 1 day of archery elk so that a modern firearm permit hunt can be in the peak of the rut!
3. Starting archery earlier in the year by 2 days. Look at 2011... it starts on a Sunday and ends on a Friday. Can you say stupid?
4. Late archery now mostly draw.
5. Earlier muzzleloader elk seasons...
Join the fight!
Post by: rougheye on January 21, 2009, 04:38:49 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on January 21, 2009, 04:39:17 PM
They really need to know how stupid this...
1. Reduction of 7 days of archery deer by 2011.
2. Losing 1 day of archery elk so that a modern firearm permit hunt can be in the peak of the rut!
3. Starting archery earlier in the year by 2 days. Look at 2011... it starts on a Sunday and ends on a Friday. Can you say stupid?
4. Late archery now mostly draw.
5. Earlier muzzleloader elk seasons...
Join the fight!
+1 If we don't speak up we are definitely going to get the shaft.
Post by: bucklucky on January 21, 2009, 04:51:40 PM
Post by: archery288 on January 21, 2009, 04:53:46 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 21, 2009, 04:55:34 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on January 21, 2009, 05:00:18 PM
The Entiat debacle is disgusting. 52 vs 17 and 24 days vs. 15. Ouch.
If we speak with our dollars then maybe they will wake up.
We need to get as many as we can to the public meeting in Ellensburg on March 6th and 7th. Lets carpool!
Post by: rougheye on January 21, 2009, 05:01:56 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 21, 2009, 05:08:53 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on January 21, 2009, 05:33:55 PM
I'm movin, I hate this state!
I don't blame you. We need to speak with our pocket books as well. I am not buying a deer tag this year or a special deer permit. I know that is only ~ $30 but I have to start somewhere. I am not paying to let others have prime time seasons.
Post by: colockumelk on January 21, 2009, 05:47:37 PM
Post by: Machias on January 21, 2009, 08:13:51 PM
I have been a bowhunter since I was 14, so I have bowhunted for 31 years and this state is well on it's way to killing archery hunting in this state and IMO bowhunters helped them along. Choose your weapon means divide and conquer. What are there 22,000 bowhunters in this state? WE HAVE NO POLITICAL VOICE OR CLOUT, none. Vote with your dollars? Your kidding right, your $$$ from bowhunting is such a small drop in the bucket. I am a trapper, a houndsmen and a bowhunter. They will make us so disgruntle we leave in droves to other pursuits or other states and then when the Anit's come for bowhunting, and they will, just as they did trappers, houndsmen and baiters. They cram us all in the same few GMUs so there is over crowding already and now they make the season so un-attractive we quit in disgust. There will be no one left in this state to support us or have our backs. CYW divide and conquer, been saying it for the last 14 years.
Post by: billythekidrock on January 21, 2009, 08:47:03 PM
I don't want to tick you fellas off, but.....
I have been a bowhunter since I was 14, so I have bowhunted for 31 years and this state is well onit's way to killing archery hunting in this state and IMO bowhunters helped them along. Choose your weapon means conquer and divide. What are there 22,000 bowhunters in this state? WE HAVE NO POLITICAL VOICE OR CLOUT, none. Vote with your dollars? Your kidding right, your $$$ from bowhunting is such a small drop in the bucket. I am a trapper, a houndsmen and a bowhunter. They will make us so disgruntle we leave in droves to other pursuits or other states and then when the Anit's come for bowhunting, and they will just as they did trappers, houndsmen and baiters. They cram us all in the same few GMUs so there is over crowding already and now they make the season so un-attractive we quit in disgust. There will be no one left in this state to support us or have our backs. CIW divide and conquer, been saying it for the last 14 years.
:yeah:
Post by: bowhuntin on January 21, 2009, 08:55:39 PM
Last summer the Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife (WDFW) held public scoping
meetings to find out what the public wanted to see in the next three-year-season-package. The
Game Management Advisory Council (GMAC) Allocation Sub-Committee has been working on
what recommendations will be sent to the WDFW. Then the WDFW will present the
recommendations to the Fish & Wildlife Commission at a meeting in March of this year. This all
leads up to the Commission making their final decisions in April and adopting a 2009-11 three-year
game management plan.
Over the last six years we archers’ success percentages have been well balanced with our usergroup
size; we’ve been successful in meeting the management goals for elk, and because of a few
high-yield deer Game Management Units (GMU’s) the overall deer numbers look pretty good, too.
The other two groups (Modern Firearms and Muzzleloaders) were reportedly behind on some goals
so the WDFW was asked to balance things out. By adjusting the timing of the seasons, the season
lengths and utilizing special permits they can alter the harvest levels of the user-groups.
An Archery Coalition of representatives from TBW, WSAA and WSB has met a number of times
throughout the past few months to discuss the proceedings. Throughout the process additional
informational statistics have been requested of and provided by the WDFW so that the numbers
could be carefully studied. The Archery Coalition has made it clear that the status quo is preferred.
Yet, in spite of the fact that the harvest statistics from 2003-2007 show that Resource Allocation
(which mandates that user-groups harvest a percentage of the resource that is equal to their
proportion of the total number of all hunters) is working, a Modern Firearms (M/F) representative
on the GMAC has proposed to the WDFW that archery seasons suffer wholesale changes. Several
of his early recommendations actually became the starting point for negotiations despite his data
later being proved inaccurate by careful analysis of the statistics.
Early in the process it had been generally accepted that providing more deer opportunity for the
muzzleloaders was a goal worth pursuing because, we were told by the department, muzzleloaders
were behind in deer harvest. Five years data from 2003-2007 shows muzzleloaders made up 7.00%
of all hunters and took 6.64% of the deer; modern firearms made up 80.28% of all hunters and took
81.86% of the deer; and archers made up 12.78% of all hunters and took 11.50% of the deer.
Despite this solid data the latest recommendation shows a reduction of early archery deer season by
five days to allow the muzzleloaders to have the last five days of September. Archers fell short of
their goals by 1.28% while modern firearms were over theirs by 1.58%, and yet it is proposed that
the archers lose five days of their season. Yes muzzleloaders could take some more deer, but the
data doesn’t support a reduction of the archery season.
The modern firearms representative’s claim that archers were killing a disproportionate amount of
mature bulls caused the Allocation Sub-Committee to consider moving our early elk season to Sept
1-15, and to introduce some peak rut modern firearms permits for Sept 21-25. The Archery
Coalition flat out rejected the proposed season dates but at the same time supported the idea of
modern firearms getting a some peak rut permits. It was suggested instead that if the status quo
couldn’t be maintained, then let the season start the day after Labor Day and run for two weeks.
Again all this was before we had all the data. Study of five years data from 2003-2007 shows
muzzleloaders made up 14.44% of all hunters and took 17.74% of the elk; modern firearms made
up 66.44% of all hunters and took 62.94% of the elk; and archers made up 19.12% of all hunters
and took 19.32% of the elk. Again archers are meeting the management goals, so to shorten the
early season by a day and make it a floating start (which occasionally would make it begin as early
as Sept 2) isn’t a good answer to modern firearms not getting their share of the elk. If the dates were
instead moved up by just one day (Sept 7-20), then the modern firearms can have permits starting
the 21st and we can still have a full fourteen day season that won’t start so early that we are
constantly faced with fire closures on timber lands. Once in a while it would start on Labor Day
which isn’t ideal, but taking a day away from a plan that is working makes no sense.
Another proposed change by the modern firearms community was to move the archery late season
to December 1st -15th (Westside to Dec. 1st -31st). The Archery Coalition would not accept this. The
most recent draft plan has the start on the day before Thanksgiving and the season running until the
8th of December (East; 15th West). This draft has support from the Archery Coalition because it not
only gives us a decent length of late season but it also allows the other user groups to hunt a few
days later which can get them the weather they need to push the animals down from the high
country. This seems to be a win-win scenario.
It is proposed that archers lose the general deer late season in the Swakane to the permit-only
hunting due to a low post-season buck count at mule deer wintering areas by the WDFW. But
recently a bowhunting Chelan County resident who monitors those mule deer went to the local
WDFW biologist and explained to him that while the department was flying over the wintering
areas, there were many, many bucks still living up in the higher valleys. The Archery Coalition also
pointed out that closing the Swakane will force hundreds of archers to go into other popular GMU’s
where overcrowding will occur. The WDFW agrees that these points are valid and it need to be
looked at more closely.
Archery permits in the Entiat will be reduced due to both the low buck count mentioned above and
the introduction of muzzleloader permits to that GMU for the first time, which means that the
resource allocation formula must be implemented. Archers will get additional late season
opportunity in some other GMU’s to offset the losses in the Entiat and the Swakane: specifically
permits will be introduced in the 209, 215, 233, 242, 243, 246 & 251.
The statewide total number of archery deer permits proposed for 2009 is 301, whereas in 2008 we
had 375; this is a reduction of about 20%. Also notable is the fact that last year 336 permits were for
‘any deer’ but this year 80 are ‘any deer’ and all the rest will carry a special restriction of ‘any
buck’. Muzzleloader deer permits are slated to increase by nearly 4% from 880 in 2008 up to 913 in
2009; the make-up of special restrictions (whether they get bucks or does) remains largely
unchanged. And modern firearms permits will drop 31% from 6197 in 2008 to 4240 in 2009 (to
offset their general season getting lengthened); the make-up of their special restrictions is also
largely unchanged. It is necessary to put special restrictions in place when the biology warrants it;
but such changes should be evenly made all across the board, not just for one user group.
This is a call for comments from the membership as well as notice that we may need to have
members attend the March Commission meeting to testify on behalf of fair archery seasons.
Your can send your comments to your organization’s contact listed below and they’ll be
passed along to the Archery Coalition.
WSAA; Ray Crisp, email; 2009-2011@washingtonarchery.org, phone; 360-790-3900
WSB; John Pignotti, email; jkpig@msn.com, phone; 253-841-3820
TBW; Dale Sharp, email; dl_sharp@comcast.net, phone; 253-630-6660
Link: http://washingtonarchery.org/cp/Scripts/ASP/discuss/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=150&FID=1&PR=3
Post by: dreamingbig on January 21, 2009, 09:16:29 PM
Post by: popeshawnpaul on January 22, 2009, 07:47:01 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on January 22, 2009, 07:54:11 PM
http://washingtonarchery.org/cp/Scripts/ASP/discuss/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=152&PID=732#732
Post by: dbllunger on January 23, 2009, 12:25:33 PM
DEER
To Who it concerns;
I have been elected to express our family hunters position on your proposed seasons. This email is directed by seven licensed hunters who these regulations will directly affect. Two of the seven are Archery hunters and the rest are Modern Firearm hunters.
I would like to express my EXTREME displeasure with the APPALLINGLY biased and poorly thought out hunting season and regulations proposals for 2009-2011. I will only deal with Deer on this reply as everything would get lost due to the amount of problems I see. These are the worst proposals I have ever seen presented, and the negative result on our deer herds will last many many years. With the time constraints you have limited hunters and yourself to I believe this was intended to force these proposals through. The solution is simple just add the same regulations for one more year as an "emergency" measure (Yes it can be done!!), reduce and or add permit hunts and permit numbers. Then work on a quality three year proposal that all hunting methods can enjoy. I also think the only people from the public who should have any ability what so ever to make comments should be valid license and tag holders. If a hunter does not have a Deer tag then they should have no input on what happens with the Deer seasons and permits. We all have WILD ID numbers so it should be very easy to make that happen.
I really don't know where to start because there is so much that is wrong with these proposals. I feel that the WDFW needs to start managing it's wildlife for quality and health of the heard as it's first priority. It needs to show in it's proposals and regulations. WDFW obviously manages based on public opinion, and that is the worst type of management for wildlife. I am not biased against any one weapon choice, and feel that all hunting methods should have quality opportunity. I will do my best to narrow down the problems and upsets I have with these proposals. I don't have any experience hunting Western Washington as I have spent all of my hunting life in Eastern Washington and other states. I started hunting at the age of 10, and have been hunting Wa. For the last 32 years. I will limit my comments only to the areas that I have personal and actual knowledge of not some made up bias to try to fool people into believing is the truth. I fully understand negotiating strategy and techniques, but I am only going to say the way I see it. I could easily show the extreme bias and prejudice others have shown (committee members) in hopes you settle on middle ground. I will be more respectful and supportive of the entire hunting community then some committee members have shown. There are not enough hunters now, and these proposals are so bad there will be even fewer directly due to WDFW actions.
I think it should be noted my hunting partner for my entire hunting life can not walk more then a 100yds due to a expanding medical condition (not just overweight or lazy). He also is a true dedicated hunter who lives for the next hunting opportunity. Only a hunter can begin to understand the hurt and upset loosing the ability to hunt feels like. Even more so when the loss is out of your control and no one can help you. This condition has progressed from him being able to walk and hike miles in the back country only five years ago, and will continue to progress and become worse every moment. Please do not feel sorry for him or I at all as we want no pity. I would just ask that you keep this in your thoughts as you read some of my beliefs on hunting and hunting seasons in Washington because some of my choices would limit his ability to hunt if we allowed it. He even agrees because he knows that is what is best for the deer herds.
So here we go.....
Deer Seasons:
I hunt deer with Modern Firearm (help my daughter and sons) and with a bow for myself. I am not biased against any one weapon choice. The Muzzle Loader hunters have really been messed with in regards to hunting seasons, and they should have had some better hunting opportunities. I have hunted Mule Deer and White Tail during the Rut in regular season so I know what rifle hunters want. The reality is the hunter numbers, road access, and public land available should preclude Wa. From having a Modern Firearm regular season during the rut.
Modern Firearm General Seasons,
Mule Deer. Unless more roads and the absolutely easy access is reduced modern firearm seasons and lengths should not change much. The Deer Herds will be decimated if you allow a Modern Firearm season to be in place during the Rut. And yes Eastern Washington Mule Deer are rutting the last week of October!!! It is not that hard to put up some gates and enforce a no motor vehicle rule if you insist on running a late firearm season. Forget about all your rules and procedures about setting dates later if it falls on a certain Sunday. Allow a 10-12 day season during the first three weeks of October. Set the date based on the calendar and people will hunt the season.
White Tail. The same thing applies for your proposed White Tail late season but November. You can not extend the modern firearm general season into the rut. The deer can not handle the pressure and overall killing that will happen.
Ask dedicated rifle hunters and they will tell you the same thing. The weekend warrior road hunter will not have the success they want and are complaining about. Why should a hunter who puts minimal effort into hunting have the same success as those who put a lot of time and effort into hunting.?
Archery Late Season,
Mule Deer. How can you just eliminate an entire hunting season/area for a huge portion of the state? If you don't want as much pressure during the rut then simply shorten the season, and set it so it falls as much as possible out of the rut. I can't believe you actually think moving the season later (December 15th) will not have a huge impact on Deer. How difficult is it to see that the winter would now be in full swing and the deer are even more concentrated and stressed then two weeks prior. Just reduce the days allowed to hunt. The most amazing and insulting thing is that now you allow hunting methods that are far easier to kill a deer with (Modern Firearm, Muzzle Loader) to hunt the times that you eliminated the most difficult (Archery) from hunting. Do the same concerns that cause you to eliminate the archery hunters apply to the other methods of hunting?
White Tail. Same as Mule Deer. These proposed changes are so rediculus that I have a hard time even comprehending they were proposed.
Why don't you just open up some more units to hunt for the late season? The hunters will spread out more and put less pressure on a few areas. Then all the issues will take care of themselves and everyone still has quality seasons and hunting. You will not get a majority of rifle hunters immediatly switching over to Archery. Even if you did the kill ratio's would drop. (Exhample. Instead of 100 bucks being killed in the Swakane unit alone, now there will be 100 bucks killed total in Quilomene, Swakane, Entiat, Manson, Alta, Chilliwist,) Then I hear well that is more area to cover for enforcement. Solution is simple also all those areas should be patroled anyway, and bring over agents from other areas of the state. It has been done in other hunts (Elk, Late White Tail) and saturate the units. Cost is minimal (lodging) and everyone benefits.
I have no idea why you have completely attacked the archery hunters. All the true and honest not biased and agenda driven statistics show that archery hunters kill very close to their ratio of hunter numbers. I realize the largest portion of hunters (Modern Firearm) are complaining and accusing the archers of killing too many animals and having the best seasons. Well there is a very easy solution instead of gutting the ability of archers. Maybe WDFW could suggest the person change their hunting weapon choice if they think it is so easy and better another way. They should have no complaints based on their projected views. They get to hunt, have better seasons, and have a higher success ratio.
Muzzle Loaders,
Muzzle loader hunters have really had some poor seasons. Other areas should give up a little to give them better and longer seasons. This can be done without eliminating and ruining other hunting methods seasons and ability to have a quality hunting experience.
Deer Permits:
Many hunters expect to have to draw a special permit for a quality hunt in Washington. Expand the number of special permits in some areas and weapon choices and even reduce them in others. Special permits is a excellent way to manage Washington Deer herds. Not only that but the WDFW makes more money that is badly needed to operate without increasing general fees even more.
Modern Firearm,
Obviously WDFW has taken an extreme position of advantage to Modern Firearm hunters, and your permit changes obviously reflect this. I would be ashamed to propose something that is so biased towards one user group when multiple user groups are involved. You have extended some permit seasons without reducing permit numbers, and others you extended and greatly increased permit numbers. I can not believe you think the Deer can handle this type of hunting pressure. This will put hunters into major rut times for deer, and the numbers killed will greatly increase. I don't think anything other then permit numbers should change. Some areas more and some less. Even open up other units for permits. This area has to be handled on a unit by unit basis, and I do not have the ability to cover every single option. Bottom line I repeat is not to extend or change the hunting time any longer just increase/decrease permit numbers and units available. This is the best tool available to WDFW for herd management if used properly.
Archery,
What can I say here other then.......actually I can't think of anything besides profanity, and I probably have already offended some policy setters. Profanity would only make it worse, and I want positive change not animosity. So, Please re-read what I said about Modern Firearm and apply it to Archery. I agree the Entiat hunt needed a noticeable reduction in the 50-60% range, but not almost complete elimination in one year but other more successful hunting methods are increased.
Muzzle Loader,
Muzzle Loader hunters need more opportunity for permits. Instead of giving the extreme increases to Modern Firearm more should go to Muzzle Loader permits.
Youth,
Why can youth only go shoot a doe or a buck in general season times? You propose only a couple tags for premium big buck opportunities. Youth are our future, and they need to have quality animal hunts. Show me one youth who would shoot a doe over a quality buck. Yet you don't even give them the opportunity as the adults. I understand the concern of the adult shooting the deer and using the youth tag on it. Set up some specific hunts that can have the needed monitors present. Again it is not difficult at all it just requires management and effort. WDFW has severely fallen....no not even began to step in the right direction on youth hunting. Of all I think managed/monitored youth hunting should be the main goal for increased quality hunting for a few years to get it to where it should be. Without our new hunters WDFW and hunting in Washington will continue to suffer.
This does not even cover the fact that our Deer are being poached out of season by Indians and other poachers. These can be reduced greatly, but it again would require effort and desire to make a change. The current number of enforcement officers compared to 1994 should be an embarrassment to WDFW. Sorry.....I got off topic.
I appreciate your consideration of what I have said. We will be at the meeting in Ellensburg, and I want to say again these proposals are so bad we need to do nothing until it can be resolved.
Sincerely,
*******
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on January 27, 2009, 11:40:49 AM
Dear _________,
I am writing this letter to express my concern with the recent proposal to alter the elk hunting season dates in our state over the next three years. As a fair-minded individual, I feel that the current plan to alter the archery, muzzleloader, and rifle season dates are a clear representation of a misguided and ill-informed political agenda. The changes seem to be propagated by those that selfishly seek to tip the odds of hunting success in their favor (ie. only making their season more fruitful), while at the same time doing so on the premise that bowhunters are taking too many animals.
This premise is exactly why I see the motivation to change the season dates as selfish and misguided. The stats speak for themselves. From 2003-2007, bowhunters took exactly 19.32% of the state’s elk harvest while representing 19.12% of the total hunters. While during the same period, muzzleloader hunters took 17.74% of the elk and represented 14.44% of the hunters. And those hunting with modern firearm harvested 62.94% of the elk and made up 66.44% of hunters.
As these statistics clearly point out, bowhunters are not taking a disproportionate number of elk. In fact, they are nearly meeting their harvest goals to the number. The only group that saw disproportionate success [in their favor] were muzzleloader hunters. Thus the idea that muzzleloader hunters should be given an earlier early season, putting them closer to the rut, would be contrary to logic. This change would only increase the disparity amongst muzzleloader hunters and at the same time limit the success of bowhunters. By pushing up the start date of the early elk season and shortening archery elk season in general; bowhunters chances of close encounters with elk, which are generally more common during the rut, would be seriously limited. Not to mention the change would make land closures due to fire danger more of a potential limiting factor on our success.
A fair way in my mind to equalize the modern firearms harvest/hunter ratio [which is clearly the primary motivation of the changes in elk season dates] would be to introduce a limited number of special permits elk hunts during the last week of September. With a gradual introduction of these hunts, harvest statistics could be evaluated yearly to asses the impact. And thus, the adjustment to the overall number of permits could also be made accordingly.
In summary, I am simply asking to continue with the status quo in terms of the elk season dates for archery and muzzleloader hunters. There are surely other, less destructive ways to boost the success of modern firearm hunters without unfairly handicapping bowhunters.
Thank you for your consideration,
Post by: rosscrazyelk on January 27, 2009, 06:15:50 PM
We should of had people in there representing us before all this came out. seems the other groups did. The only way things will change is for them to loose a crap load of money, But they know that won't happen because more and more people cannot afford to go out of state with the loss of jobs and such, and they will hunt here.
The one thing I do not understand is making the late hunt for Mule deer permit only means they are going to make a *censored* load more money so why cut Game Wardens jobs and cut other programs? :twocents:
Post by: rooselk on January 27, 2009, 06:51:25 PM
I will only add that numbers mean clout. That's why it is so important that bowhunters become members of WSB, WSAA, or TBW.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on January 27, 2009, 08:27:12 PM
Quote
rosscrazyelk, just one word of clarification: we DID and DO have representatives speaking for bowhunters and working to protect our seasons. The Washington State Bowhunters, Washington State Archery Association, and Traditional Bowhunters of Washington work together as a coalition to represent interests of bowhunters before the game commission. As a matter of fact bowhunters are more organized in this state than some of the other user groups. I can tell you that the representatives from the bowhunting coalition put in an incredible amount of hours, including giving up some of their own vacation time, in order attend meetings, etc.Thanks for the info
I will only add that numbers mean clout. That's why it is so important that bowhunters become members of WSB, WSAA, or TBW.
Post by: Tom Tamer on January 27, 2009, 08:45:57 PM
My two cents
Post by: bobcat on January 27, 2009, 08:50:30 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on January 28, 2009, 12:22:12 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on January 28, 2009, 12:30:48 PM
Post by: Tom Tamer on January 28, 2009, 06:32:35 PM
Not disagreeing with the intent of your post but really we don't have any "right" to hunt. Where is it written that we have that right? It isn't a right, it's a privilege. And personally I think this state would have some great hunting if they went to deer/elk hunting by permit only, no general seasons at all. We'd probably end up with enough deer under that type of management that a person could be allowed two deer tags per year.
It may not be written but it is stated in the , Declartion of Independence. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
Unalienable means just that, just because Man(Gov't ) did not write it down Our creator still bestows those right upon us. I don't mean to make this a religous post but in Gen 9:3 states just that, we are to use the animals of the world for eating and other means.
I beleive it is a right and if we didn't live in such a left leaning State we COULD get the Gov't to amend the State constitution to say it so. Virgina did it a while back. Va. or W Va. one of them did.
Post by: jdb on January 28, 2009, 06:43:24 PM
thats a really bad idea, and I also think it is our right to hunt, also we already have enough deer for 2 tags a person......you really think we have enough deer for two tags per person?
Post by: mkcj on January 28, 2009, 06:47:02 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on January 28, 2009, 07:14:00 PM
Not disagreeing with the intent of your post but really we don't have any "right" to hunt. Where is it written that we have that right? It isn't a right, it's a privilege. And personally I think this state would have some great hunting if they went to deer/elk hunting by permit only, no general seasons at all. We'd probably end up with enough deer under that type of management that a person could be allowed two deer tags per year.
The definition of privilege bestows us with a right. Privilege is synonomous with the word right.
Here is a definition of the word privilege.
A special advantage, immunity, permission, right, or benefit granted to or enjoyed by an individual, class, or caste. See Synonyms at right.
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2009, 07:17:46 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on January 28, 2009, 07:19:48 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 28, 2009, 07:20:48 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on January 28, 2009, 07:20:58 PM
Post by: bowhuntin on January 28, 2009, 07:21:29 PM
Post by: Tom Tamer on January 28, 2009, 07:51:10 PM
Back to licensing. Now if you were without a job and could not afford food for your family or a license would you still hunt? I would my family's( Wife & Kids) preservation is more important than any law.
And to bowhuntin's point you are correct just because you have a right does not mean you have the right to expect someone else to give it to you, i guess I do't understand the context in which you mean that statement here?
Post by: bowhuntin on January 28, 2009, 08:00:46 PM
And to bowhuntin's point you are correct just because you have a right does not mean you have the right to expect someone else to give it to you, i guess I do't understand the context in which you mean that statement here?
What do you mean "I guess I don't understand the context in which you mean that statement here?"
Is that a typo because in your first part of the sentence you agree then the second part of you sentence contradicts the first part. :dunno:
Post by: Tom Tamer on January 28, 2009, 08:10:13 PM