Post by: Wacenturion on December 01, 2015, 03:45:32 PM
Thanks....need advice soon. :chuckle:
Post by: quadrafire on December 01, 2015, 04:10:11 PM
If the money won't kill you I'd say step up to the 1 1/2
Post by: bobcat on December 01, 2015, 04:11:20 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 01, 2015, 04:32:42 PM
I know I want a foot pedal, and I know I want a big hopper and a big size throat so I can jam larger pieces of meat down it. With bigger throats and grinder sizes you leave more meat wasted during clean out. I don't care about accessories but I do want replacement parts readily available.
Right now I'm looking at Westin grinders, I can get a 1hp #22 grinder for $527.63 off amazon with free prime shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/Weston-08-2201-W-Number-Commercial-Grinder/dp/B004DE35RY/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1449015462&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=Weston+%2322
Another grinder that's interesting to me is the pro-cut grinders, they have a bigger hopper. For the price range you'd have to step down to a #12 grinder though with 3/4 hp
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/161439981126?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82
They're more on the commercial end instead of heavy duty home owner line. http://www.pro-cut.us/products.php
Post by: KFhunter on December 01, 2015, 04:41:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLdg-RV1vruBhp7I_7SRF_bKUUjrJo8IeS&v=LNm0BwvJ6c0
Post by: jrebel on December 01, 2015, 04:48:03 PM
This is the one I have and I have no complaints.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-MTN-Commercial-1HP-Stainless-Steel-Electric-Meat-Sauage-Grinder-No-22-/191748433605?hash=item2ca518e6c5:g:RUEAAMXQTT9RsD2a
Post by: Wacenturion on December 01, 2015, 04:48:34 PM
The few initial reviews on the Carnivore were excellent however.
May take another look at the commercial line.
Post by: KFhunter on December 01, 2015, 05:06:30 PM
For me the weston is a few bucks cheaper and I know who makes it and I can get replacement parts
check this out
http://www.westonsupply.com/Meat-Grinder-Parts-s/140.htm
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 01, 2015, 05:09:21 PM
I'm in the same boat, I've got a plastic kitchen aid attachment and a 600lb boar out in the back yard that's going into sausage soon
Depends if you knock on the right doors!!!
Post by: KFhunter on December 01, 2015, 05:14:22 PM
I'm in the same boat, I've got a plastic kitchen aid attachment and a 600lb boar out in the back yard that's going into sausage soon
Depends if you knock on the right doors!!!
want to help out?
Post by: Wacenturion on December 01, 2015, 05:16:05 PM
I'm in the same boat, I've got a plastic kitchen aid attachment and a 600lb boar out in the back yard that's going into sausage soon
For me the weston is a few bucks cheaper and I know who makes it and I can get replacement parts
check this out
http://www.westonsupply.com/Meat-Grinder-Parts-s/140.htm
From what I have seen on forums, the commercial line of Cabelas is made by Weston, and it was indicated that parts would be available if Cabelas stopped making them. As far as the Carnivore line, not able to find who makes them at the moment.
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 01, 2015, 05:18:23 PM
I'm in the same boat, I've got a plastic kitchen aid attachment and a 600lb boar out in the back yard that's going into sausage soon
Depends if you knock on the right doors!!!
want to help out?
I closed up shop for the year, but depending on when I might find some toys you could use.
When you planning on tipping him over?
Post by: Wacenturion on December 01, 2015, 05:19:02 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 01, 2015, 05:43:45 PM
I'm in the same boat, I've got a plastic kitchen aid attachment and a 600lb boar out in the back yard that's going into sausage soon
Depends if you knock on the right doors!!!
want to help out?
I closed up shop for the year, but depending on when I might find some toys you could use.
When you planning on tipping him over?
by the end of december for sure then I'll be wasting feed. Probably within a week.
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 08:40:21 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 08:43:10 AM
I have a 1 hp and it will eat an entire elk in less than 10 minutes. This is no exageration....unless you are doing it commercially a 1 hp will last you a life time.
This is the one I have and I have no complaints.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-MTN-Commercial-1HP-Stainless-Steel-Electric-Meat-Sauage-Grinder-No-22-/191748433605?hash=item2ca518e6c5:g:RUEAAMXQTT9RsD2a
I tried to find a manufacturers web site and struck out. Is there a link in any of your paper work?
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 08:44:36 AM
They grind bone and all
Post by: Stein on December 02, 2015, 09:04:14 AM
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Cabelas-Commercial-Grade-hp-Electric-Grinder/744936.uts
I can't imagine ever needing anything more than this. I can't feed meat fast enough to get it to slow down or even keep up with it.
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 09:06:44 AM
Carnivore Grinder Ad............notice the comment....our best grinder ever
It say's free item eligible but I'm not seeing how to get the foot pedal free with the grinder?
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 09:09:36 AM
However the person did say when they had training this new product it had already been out for sometime and being used heavily at numerous buther type shops prior to it's consumer release. Cabelas essentially told the shops to subject it to whatever heavy use in an effort to try to break it. None did, break it that is. The tech also said the the Carnivore it is a big improvement on the existing stainless commerical version. He said he would personally opt for the new one based on what he knew.
For what it's worth...........
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 09:11:28 AM
Carnivore Grinder Ad............notice the comment....our best grinder ever
It say's free item eligible but I'm not seeing how to get the foot pedal free with the grinder?
I'm assuming you get a free one at purchase based on promotion. Just throw it in cart with grinder at the store. Not sure online.
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 09:18:36 AM
Post by: toyman2 on December 02, 2015, 09:27:22 AM
I ground 60Lbs of meat this year, on a course grind it will go fast than you can put meat in it, on the fine grind it is about as fast as a guy can put meat in it.
I have a few buddies that have the 3/4 and 1hp, all have said if they were going to do it again they would have gone smaller. That is the reason I went with the 1/2hp.
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 09:29:20 AM
Also like the carbon steel gears I think the westons are using plastic
got off chat with cabela's and they said this about the free item
Post by: quadrafire on December 02, 2015, 09:33:03 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 02, 2015, 09:42:15 AM
Unless you are using the sausage stuffing feature the foot pedal is not that critical. When I am grinding I hardly ever use it. It's nice but wouldn't be a deal breaker
:yeah:
I've never had a foot pedal and never felt it was needed, except the one time we used the grinder for sausage stuffing, it would have been useful. But even then I still got by fine without it. It just requires two people.
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 09:49:34 AM
The 1.5 HP grinder is on it's way :yike: with the foot pedal coming a couple days behind as it's on back order, I did have to pay sales tax and I guess I would have had too online also since they have three stores in state. Man the wife is peeved at me but I figure it would have cost me almost as much to have a processor come to my house and slaughter that boar.
If I were just doing game processing I would have got the smaller grinder, .75 hp would be PLENTY for any game processing. 1HP is just icing on the cake, 1.5hp is overkill for game
I think it's a bout $200 kill fee
.70/lb processing cut n wrap
just about pays for my grinder and I got a lot more hogs to do in the following years, it'll be paid for within a year.
Guess I'll tip over that boar today and let it hang for a week :mgun:
I didn't like the noise of the westons in the youtube video and I also found out the meat mixer and cuber does fit the Carnivore
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 09:53:07 AM
The westons seem loud on youtube and I seen some guys were keeping the grinder head in the freezer so now I'm thinking that cooling sock might be a good thing for big grinders. My little kitchenaid was plastic and maybe that's why I didn't gum up so bad but I also had to cut meat really small. Also it would get air pockets and launch meat globs half way across the kitchen which really really irritated my wife :chuckle:
Also like the carbon steel gears I think the westons are using plastic
got off chat with cabela's and they said this about the free item
I would say whoever you chatted with is incorrect. Sale ends today, so they would have to honor it. Going to the store shortly. I'll post when I get back.
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 09:54:05 AM
The westons seem loud on youtube and I seen some guys were keeping the grinder head in the freezer so now I'm thinking that cooling sock might be a good thing for big grinders. My little kitchenaid was plastic and maybe that's why I didn't gum up so bad but I also had to cut meat really small. Also it would get air pockets and launch meat globs half way across the kitchen which really really irritated my wife :chuckle:
Also like the carbon steel gears I think the westons are using plastic
got off chat with cabela's and they said this about the free item
I would say whoever you chatted with is incorrect. Sale ends today, so they would have to honor it. Going to the store shortly. I'll post when I get back.
I ordered the 1.5hp grinder, looking forward to that bad boy showing up :o
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 09:59:18 AM
Still torn between the 1 hp or the 1 1/2 hp. Definitely want the reverse and bigger throat, otherwise I might haven choosen smaller.
Post by: quadrafire on December 02, 2015, 10:28:38 AM
You won't be disappointed..........Until your back goes out trying to move that beast :chuckle: I keep mine in basement and carry it up to the kitchen when needed.
WaCenturion, pick up a can of the spray lube when you get one.
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 10:35:18 AM
won't go rancid and I know it's safe, no propellants for me.
Post by: quadrafire on December 02, 2015, 11:01:57 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 12:06:33 PM
He's hanging!
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 12:28:28 PM
Figured after looking at them the 1 HP would do what ever I need to do. Used the difference in price to pick up the meat cuber attachment which was also on sale for $160....regular price $230. Then picked up the jerky slicer attachment and Cabelas burger press attachment. Both of those were also on sale for $160 (reg.$230) and $49 (reg. $64) respectively. Burger press had great reviews. Foot pedal free with grinder
Couple pictures of the equipement. The Cabelas Meat Cuber is behind the Cabelas Jecky Slicer. Same size attachment. Last picture is the 12" Cabelas Display Meat Slicer I got in the Bargain Cave earlier. Mark down to $227, and then an additional 15% Bargain Cave discount taken at register. Pretty pleased for what I'm out for everything.
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 12:31:50 PM
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He's hanging!
Looked at the 1 1/2 HP you ordered.....he'll fit. :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 03:03:45 PM
Looks like you going to be making some meat, good score!
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 03:39:41 PM
Post by: kentrek on December 02, 2015, 04:21:00 PM
Definitely go with the bigger model...youL get by with less but who wants to just "get by" in life ?? We have the 1.75 horse and it will bog down when stopping and starting with the throte full....fat is pretty tuff stuff !
Watch your fingers :chuckle:
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 05:12:16 PM
Foot pedals are awesome for many reasons along with reverse
Definitely go with the bigger model...youL get by with less but who wants to just "get by" in life ?? We have the 1.75 horse and it will bog down when stopping and starting with the throte full....fat is pretty tuff stuff !
Watch your fingers :chuckle:
I would generally agree. Since I definitely wanted the reverse option and larger throat over the smaller 1/2 and 3/4 hp units I felt the 1 hp was a good compromise. After day of reading reviews most folks are quite happy with any of the models, as they state it's hard to feed meat fast enough, even with the smaller units. Only negatives, and they wern't really a negative as such, was the wish for a larger throat and the occasional desire to have the reverse as well.
Looking at the display models, as I said above the 1 and 1 1/2 HP units are beasts. The smaller units are really not that much smaller as well. I rather doubt for my needs, a deer or two or three in the family, occassional elk or bear, and what ever burger, sausage I decide to play around with, the one I got should do just fine. :tup:
Only thing I didn't get and I may order it, is the 7 gallon mixer attachment with tilt. Saw it at the store, but sale price was not reflected. Got home and noticed it was like a third off....regular $299.99....now $209.99. Quite a savings. Not sure when it goes off sale, so I may order online tonight. Reviews are good and much easier to mix than by hand.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/cabela-s-7-gal-mixer-attachment-with-tilt/1837507.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dmeat%252Bmixer%26x%3D10%26y%3D6%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%252BProducts&Ntt=meat+mixer
Post by: Angry Perch on December 02, 2015, 05:13:11 PM
Just got back from Cabelas. Had all the new Carnivore's on display with Christmas bows. Ended up getting the 1 HP model. Both the 1 HP and 1 1/2 HP are beasts. :chuckle:
Figured after looking at them the 1 HP would do what ever I need to do. Used the difference in price to pick up the meat cuber attachment which was also on sale for $160....regular price $230. Then picked up the jerky slicer attachment and Cabelas burger press attachment. Both of those were also on sale for $160 (reg.$230) and $49 (reg. $64) respectively. Burger press had great reviews. Foot pedal free with grinder
Couple pictures of the equipement. The Cabelas Meat Cuber is behind the Cabelas Jecky Slicer. Same size attachment. Last picture is the 12" Cabelas Display Meat Slicer I got in the Bargain Cave earlier. Mark down to $227, and then an additional 15% Bargain Cave discount taken at register. Pretty pleased for what I'm out for everything.
Dang, merry Christmas to you!
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 05:23:26 PM
Post by: Fungunnin on December 02, 2015, 05:43:18 PM
This year I stepped up to a commercial sized grinder I found on Craigslist. I have no idea the HP rating but it has forward and reverse and weighs about 40 pounds. The throat is huge, the guard is 2.5" wide and the throat is even wider. It came with 4 sets of plates and knives from 2 blade to 4 blade.
The down side is I know nothing about it because all the labels are in Chinese.
Best $150 I've spent lately.
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Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 06:35:59 PM
Foot pedals are awesome for many reasons along with reverse
Definitely go with the bigger model...youL get by with less but who wants to just "get by" in life ?? We have the 1.75 horse and it will bog down when stopping and starting with the throte full....fat is pretty tuff stuff !
Watch your fingers :chuckle:
I would generally agree. Since I definitely wanted the reverse option and larger throat over the smaller 1/2 and 3/4 hp units I felt the 1 hp was a good compromise. After day of reading reviews most folks are quite happy with any of the models, as they state it's hard to feed meat fast enough, even with the smaller units. Only negatives, and they wern't really a negative as such, was the wish for a larger throat and the occasional desire to have the reverse as well.
Looking at the display models, as I said above the 1 and 1 1/2 HP units are beasts. The smaller units are really not that much smaller as well. I rather doubt for my needs, a deer or two or three in the family, occassional elk or bear, and what ever burger, sausage I decide to play around with, the one I got should do just fine. :tup:
Only thing I didn't get and I may order it, is the 7 gallon mixer attachment with tilt. Saw it at the store, but sale price was not reflected. Got home and noticed it was like a third off....regular $299.99....now $209.99. Quite a savings. Not sure when it goes off sale, so I may order online tonight. Reviews are good and much easier to mix than by hand.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/cabela-s-7-gal-mixer-attachment-with-tilt/1837507.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dmeat%252Bmixer%26x%3D10%26y%3D6%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%252BProducts&Ntt=meat+mixer
Here is my mixer :chuckle:
and a 5 gallon bucket
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Post by: KFhunter on December 02, 2015, 06:39:21 PM
I'm a little late to the party ...
This year I stepped up to a commercial sized grinder I found on Craigslist. I have no idea the HP rating but it has forward and reverse and weighs about 40 pounds. The throat is huge, the guard is 2.5" wide and the throat is even wider. It came with 4 sets of plates and knives from 2 blade to 4 blade.
The down side is I know nothing about it because all the labels are in Chinese.
Best $150 I've spent lately.
I'm one of those guys who can never stumble onto deals like that, I have to bend over to get anything.
I got a buddy who stumbles onto great deals all the freaking time but not me, he even wins when he plays scratch tickets, not me I never get a single number right.
Post by: Wacenturion on December 02, 2015, 08:00:52 PM
Post by: huntingbaldguy on December 03, 2015, 12:17:30 AM
Post by: Bean Counter on December 03, 2015, 03:53:07 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 03, 2015, 08:05:47 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on December 03, 2015, 09:02:16 AM
As far as I know, the only time reverse is needed is if the grinder gets jammed and can't go forward anymore. Switch it into reverse and un-clog it. But honestly I'm not sure I've ever needed to do so in the 6 years or so that I've been using my Cabelas 1 hp grinder. Maybe once. But I definitely think you could get by without it, and obviously you do!
Correct, not a big deal. The main reason for the 1 hp or larger for me was the increased throat size.
Post by: The Weazle on December 05, 2015, 09:54:18 AM
As far as I know, the only time reverse is needed is if the grinder gets jammed and can't go forward anymore. Switch it into reverse and un-clog it. But honestly I'm not sure I've ever needed to do so in the 6 years or so that I've been using my Cabelas 1 hp grinder. Maybe once. But I definitely think you could get by without it, and obviously you do!
Yeah, I have had mine (1HP) for over 5 years, and never used reverse. The foot pedal and the burger press attachment are awesome. I finally stepped up to a vertical stuffer, and wow. The only thing I will buy in the future is a mixer. we use our hands right now, and that is getting a little old, and I feel that we could do a better job with better spice distribution with a mixer.
Post by: KFhunter on December 05, 2015, 11:56:56 AM
The image is misleading, it's big and heavy duty. It's mot made for food, but it's chromed so should be OK long as nothing is flaking off. Nickle chrome has been used for years and no one can claim any nickle leaching into food, and it's very acid resistant and inert. Easy to clean too, I read a lot of reviews on mixers and everyone claims they're a bugger to clean and for small batches not worth the hassle of digging out. This giant egg beater will be simple to clean!
Posted it on page one, cost me like
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update:
This thing is a beast and you better have a pretty robust tub or bucket. I was using a cheap walmart tub and it cracked the sides, with a better tub though it really blends well. I think you could almost froth the meat :chuckle:
Post by: Wacenturion on December 05, 2015, 01:35:33 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 05, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
hrm
Post by: Fungunnin on December 05, 2015, 04:45:07 PM
I got a bunch of food grade 55 gallon drums I bet would be handy for large batch of sausage. I'd soap them out and toss in a thick food grade liner.Cut them in half so you don't kill yourself trying to reach the bottom.
hrm
Post by: KFhunter on December 05, 2015, 04:48:51 PM
voice of reason
Be handy for whole hog marinating too :EAT:
http://www.amazon.com/Gallon-Clear-Plastic-Liners-Grade/dp/B0189N0BGM/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1449362548&sr=8-7&keywords=55+gallon+drum+food+grade+liner
Post by: KFhunter on December 08, 2015, 11:02:30 AM
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200623961_200623961
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The base of the grinder is 8x16 so plenty of room on the cart top, I would remove the drawer that came with the carnivore and mount it on the underside of the cart shelf.
Post by: Wacenturion on December 08, 2015, 04:41:07 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 08, 2015, 08:38:42 PM
Looks like that might make things easy to move around when needed. Wonder how heavy/sturdy the cart is?
36lbs shipping weight, take 6 lbs off for the box and it's still a pretty heavy cart. It's a welding cart..gotta be strong enough. Only problem I thought of for you is you got the mixer attachment. Turns out I had another cart in the shop that worked well for me. I had 2 taller sawhorses so I laid 3 boards aross 2x6 8 foot long boards then put a full sheet of 3/4 plywood I already had and screwed it all down to the sawhorse then covered it all in butcher paper and stapled down the ends. I had a big commercial cutting board I used to debone on.
Post by: KFhunter on December 08, 2015, 08:43:49 PM
I managed to stop the grinder once and I wasn't near the power button so it sat there for a little bit locked up solid humming, probably 15 seconds. I hit the reverse and it ran backwards then I hit forward and it spit out some bone and made some crunching noises then cleared up. So I began stuffing again, I could see some smoke coming out of the grinder plate. No idea how a bone got in there but with a large throat and shoving big pieces of meat it's bound to happen I guess. I never cleaned it out once though just kept running and running unless I took a break for a bit. I smelled the motor end and didn't smell any hot electrical smells or smoke from the motor.
At the end of the day I cleaned it all out and couldn't see anything wrong at all, I found some bone fragments just under the grinder plate. A little bit of silver skin and stuff wadded up around the tip but not very much surprisingly as I ran the forearms through there whole. I was cutting up meat about the size of whole elk back straps and running it through. (OK, maybe larger deer :chuckle: )
I removed the plastic stuffing guard, that sucked. The stuffer ram can't be used without the plastic guard though as the auger will grab the stuffer ram and try to eat it. It doesn't just bounce on top the auger like my kitchen aid.
All in all I gave this machine a work out and it was flawless, quiet and did me a great job. I was able to work it, but couldn't bog it down significantly even with long strips of cold hog fat the size of a back strap. I've got about 250+ lbs of sausage waiting for seasoning now.
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Post by: Wacenturion on December 08, 2015, 09:52:32 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 09, 2015, 04:50:34 PM
The concrete mixer from a couple posts back worked well too, it's a beast though so anyone wanting to use a $12 meat mixer will want to use a robust tub or bucket to mix in as it'll bang the sides and crack the tub/bucket. It's like a blender, I think you could almost put a froth on the meat with it if you used it long enough
edit - the tape machine sucks, the tape gives loose and it leaks blood in the fridge when you thaw it out. I'm going to a bag stapler I think.
Post by: quadrafire on December 09, 2015, 08:39:49 PM
I used 1 lb butcher sacks like a regular butcher would use and a tape machine, went fast for a solo operation. Foot pedal would have been nice but it is on back order.Would love to see a video of this operation :chuckle: I have the same mixing paddle although hadn't thought of using it for sausage until this thread. Has mixed a bit of mortar however. I have a large stainless cooking pot, do you think that would work better than the bucket?
The concrete mixer from a couple posts back worked well too, it's a beast though so anyone wanting to use a $12 meat mixer will want to use a robust tub or bucket to mix in as it'll bang the sides and crack the tub/bucket. It's like a blender, I think you could almost put a froth on the meat with it if you used it long enough
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2015, 08:41:43 AM
Post by: quadrafire on December 10, 2015, 08:45:47 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2015, 09:01:42 AM
I have a drill that is geared real low. I think that may be the ticket. My next batch i'll give it a try
It just needs to spin fast enough the meat clears off between the paddles, I was constantly slowing mine down so your drill might be the right speed.
Post by: quadrafire on December 10, 2015, 09:14:46 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on December 10, 2015, 10:42:07 AM
My order came in so I picked up the Cabelas 7 gallon Meat mixer yesterday. Holds like 25 lbs. of meat while mixing. Damn that thing is better built than I thought. Weighs in at around 39 lbs. Can attach to grinder or you can use manually with the hand crank. Has a tilt feature so you can dump the meat so to speak.
Starting to look like a butcher shop around here..... :chuckle:
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2015, 04:54:07 PM
My order came in so I picked up the Cabelas 7 gallon Meat mixer yesterday. Holds like 25 lbs. of meat while mixing. Damn that thing is better built than I thought. Weighs in at around 39 lbs. Can attach to grinder or you can use manually with the hand crank. Has a tilt feature so you can dump the meat so to speak.
Starting to look like a butcher shop around here..... :chuckle:
I would take that over the concrete mixer, make a job easier dump in your stuff and walk away for a few minutes.
Post by: quadrafire on December 10, 2015, 07:55:33 PM
So to recreate the thread......... You do not need 1.5hp ..... 1 hp is plenty. ;)
Sorry for the confusion I may have caused. :sry:
Post by: KFhunter on December 10, 2015, 08:01:05 PM
You can mix 30 lbs of meat in a 5 gallon bucket with that concrete mixer and it works great, the mixer didn't kill the bucket. It was a fresh bucket, one that's been sitting out in the sun will be more brittle and could crack.
so I'd advice to use a fresh bucket that still is flexible. 30lbs of meat is about the maximum amount you want to do at once though.
I just punched down all the spices so it wasn't fluffy on top the meat then started stirring. There was a tiny bit of pepper on the bottom of the bucket, so somehow it made it all the way to the bottom and stuck there..talking about a teaspoon worth.
Post by: quadrafire on December 10, 2015, 08:07:53 PM
Again sorry for the misinformation. Get caught up on the food channel here and think I'm on the Gov tag or something talkin about size and whatnot :)
Post by: kenzmad on December 13, 2015, 09:46:06 PM
Post by: The scout on December 13, 2015, 09:51:30 PM
Post by: KFhunter on September 13, 2016, 10:03:50 AM
http://www.cabelas.com/product/CABELAS-COMMERCIAL-GRINDER-TOMATO-ATTACHMENT/2122099.uts?searchPath=%2Fbrowse.cmd%3FcategoryId%3D734095080%26CQ_search%3Dtomato%26CQ_st%3Db
on sale, also the additional strainer kit so I can do grapes and other stuff.
I got a bunch of tomato this year and I sure love home made sauce canned up. SO much better than store bought.
Post by: blacktail master on September 13, 2016, 11:20:11 AM
Hobart 1-1/2 HP Commercial Grinder #32 Head Size
- Excellant Grinder, the best money can buy in my opinion but to expensive for the average person wanting to do a couple deer and elk a year.
Cabelas 1-1/2 HP Grinder #32 Head I think? PS sorry about the spelling!
- My brother has one, used it one fall while at his place grinding 4 deer and an elk
-Power was good. However the motor transfered to much heat through the auger into head of grinder, causing meat to turn to mush after about 15min. of use.
-I believe this is why they are trying to overcome this with the ice-pack around the head of grinder
Weston 1HP Grinder #22 Head
- I bought one of these to use on small jobs. My thought was no sense in dirtying up my big Hobart for a couple deer or an elk, was thinking about making my clean up a little easier.
- I took the first one back, wouldnt start with foot pedal once head was full of meat.
- Took the second one back, same problem.
- This grinder is a POS for anyone that knows what a good grinder is capable of.
LEM 1-1/2 HP Grinder #32 Head
- Excellant Grinder for a homeowner/hunter looking to do deer,elk,etc.
-Price is comparible to Cabelas grinders not on sale
-Excellant customer service with LEM, no worry about ordering parts, excellant people to deal with.
- I would rate this grinder as almost commercial quality.
Also remember guys, the single most important thing when grinding meat with any grinder is to keep meat cold,almost on the verge of starting to freeze. Also, put the head of grinder in your refrigerator for an hour or so prior to using grinder, even overnight if possible.
I hope my time here was well spent and will help some of you out and save you time and money.
Weston
Post by: quadrafire on September 13, 2016, 11:37:38 AM
I had thought about freezing the head prior to grinding but didn't know if that would be a good idea.
I have the 1 hp cabelas and it will take the first grind through as fast you can feed it. What I seem to struggle with is the second grind. Any tips on that?
I might add that that is usually with pork, making different sausages/brats etc. The pork just seems so 'sticky' on the second grind
Post by: blacktail master on September 13, 2016, 11:43:22 AM
I can help you with this. Need to ask a few questions first.
-Why are you grinding twice?
-What size plate are you using on your first and second grind?
- Are you grinding meat into a tub and then wrapping it or are you stuffing it into hamburger bags?
Post by: quadrafire on September 13, 2016, 12:33:05 PM
Hello Quadrafire-I figured i'd get a better mix of my seasoning and consistency during the second grind. I'm using the medium plate, (don't know the mm size off hand) for both grinds.
I can help you with this. Need to ask a few questions first.
-Why are you grinding twice?
-What size plate are you using on your first and second grind?
- Are you grinding meat into a tub and then wrapping it or are you stuffing it into hamburger bags?
I'm either grinding into a tub or right into my stuffer. Sometimes I do bags if i'm just doing bulk sausage.
Post by: blacktail master on September 13, 2016, 01:14:39 PM
Grinding twice can be trouble. A lot of people do it for various reasons. If making bulk breakfast type sausage with a dry seasoning this is what I do.
- Cut meat into 1'' cubes, mix dry seasoning into meat cubes, put meat back into cooler for an hour or so and grind with a 3/16'' plate and stuff into sausage bags all in one step. Dont forget to grease head of grinder with lard or Pam cooking oil before grinding
-If you are making brats or such, I would invest in a sausage stuffer, they are fairly priced for a small one. This will keep you from having to run it back through the grinder to get it in your casings. Using a grinder to stuff 1'' hog casings for brats can be a frustrating affair.
- If you must grind twice, after 1st grind clean grinder head, plate and knife, cool meat and grinder head again between grinds and grease grinder head before doing second grind.
- Also, after sausage is either wrapped or stuffed into bags let it sit in refrigerator over night before freezing, this allows seasoning to absorb better into meat. Hope this helps you Quad?
Post by: Rainier10 on September 13, 2016, 01:26:00 PM
Great post and thoughts Blacktail.I have had the same issue before. I had to recool the meat between grinds to get it to go through just as fast the second time.
I had thought about freezing the head prior to grinding but didn't know if that would be a good idea.
I have the 1 hp cabelas and it will take the first grind through as fast you can feed it. What I seem to struggle with is the second grind. Any tips on that?
I might add that that is usually with pork, making different sausages/brats etc. The pork just seems so 'sticky' on the second grind
Post by: quadrafire on September 13, 2016, 01:26:26 PM
Quad-Heck Yea it helps me a bunch. As I can eliminate a step. I had already been cutting fairly small and mixing seasonings before the first grind and I have a stuffer already and can just run it directly into that, as I had been but i was doing the extra grinding step which was the biggest pain and slowest part of the process.
Grinding twice can be trouble. A lot of people do it for various reasons. If making bulk breakfast type sausage with a dry seasoning this is what I do.
- Cut meat into 1'' cubes, mix dry seasoning into meat cubes, put meat back into cooler for an hour or so and grind with a 3/16'' plate and stuff into sausage bags all in one step. Dont forget to grease head of grinder with lard or Pam cooking oil before grinding
-If you are making brats or such, I would invest in a sausage stuffer, they are fairly priced for a small one. This will keep you from having to run it back through the grinder to get it in your casings. Using a grinder to stuff 1'' hog casings for brats can be a frustrating affair.
- If you must grind twice, after 1st grind clean grinder head, plate and knife, cool meat and grinder head again between grinds and grease grinder head before doing second grind.
- Also, after sausage is either wrapped or stuffed into bags let it sit in refrigerator over night before freezing, this allows seasoning to absorb better into meat. Hope this helps you Quad?
Thanks a bunch :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on September 13, 2016, 04:28:21 PM
For experiment I tried to eat some sausage that had only been ground once through the large plate and it was like eating chicken gizzards, it was tough and chewy.
No way I'm going to cut everything in 1" cubes when sausaging a huge boar. My hand was so tired I couldn't hold onto the knife anymore and that was just making things big enough to fit through a #32 head :o
Post by: KFhunter on September 13, 2016, 04:34:50 PM
Great post and thoughts Blacktail.
I had thought about freezing the head prior to grinding but didn't know if that would be a good idea.
I have the 1 hp cabelas and it will take the first grind through as fast you can feed it. What I seem to struggle with is the second grind. Any tips on that?
I might add that that is usually with pork, making different sausages/brats etc. The pork just seems so 'sticky' on the second grind
I froze mine with the ice packs around it, threw it in the chest freezer the night before I started grinding. Nothing stuck, but I also had a very thin film of coconut oil on the head and auger. I applied the coconut oil when it was warm just after a good wash then stuck it in the freezer.
Coconut oil doesn't go rancid ever and it's food safe.
Post by: The Weazle on September 14, 2016, 10:13:46 PM
I feel that grinding twice through the course plate gives the meat a good consistency, and also mixes the seasonings just a little better than just hand mixing.
I have the cabelas 1HP, old school, not the carnivore.