Post by: boneaddict on December 21, 2015, 08:40:33 AM
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Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 21, 2015, 11:58:29 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 21, 2015, 12:13:44 PM
Hmm... what's faster- an antelope or a wolf? :chuckle:One on one, it's not close. A pronghorn is the fastest North American animal and one of the fastest in the world. Dealing with a pack would be another issue.
Post by: boneaddict on December 21, 2015, 12:13:58 PM
http://www.grandcoulee.com/story/2015/12/23/news/tribes-to-re-introduce-antelope-to-area/6706.html (http://www.grandcoulee.com/story/2015/12/23/news/tribes-to-re-introduce-antelope-to-area/6706.html)
Post by: bobcat on December 21, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
Post by: Skillet on December 21, 2015, 12:26:11 PM
Probably falls under the non-native species clause. Not 100% sure what the "usual and accustomed" range of the tribes that now call the Colville Reservation home actually were, but it is conceivable that some of them used to hunt pronghorn back in the day on those lands.
Post by: Bob33 on December 21, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
So they're calling it a "re-introduction" and they're saying pronghorn are a native species. But is there really any proof of that? I've done a lot of reading on this subject in the past and I never found anything that said they were 100% sure that pronghorn had ever existed in Washington state.http://www.ynwildlife.org/pronghorn.php
The earliest historic records of pronghorns in Washington include mention in Lewis and Clark’s Journals of Indians hunting on both sides of the Snake River for pronghorns near Clarkston, Washington, near Waitsburg and near The Dalles (McCabe, et al.,2004). Archeologist Eugene Hunn (1995) reported that “pronghorn antelope were hunted on the plains of the ‘Big Bend’ of the Columbia until shortly after contact. Deceased Yakama tribal elder, Watson Totus told of pronghorns being hunted near Snipes Mountain during his youth (Washines, 2004). Bill White, former Yakama Nation archeologist, also reported Indian harvest of pronghorns near White Bluffs on the Columbia River near Richland (White, 2004). State hunting licenses issued in 1904 allowed the hunter to harvest one antelope as well as an elk and four deer (Johnson, 1975).
Archeological sites within Washington State that contain pronghorn remains include, Chief Joseph Dam near Bridgeport, Umatilla Mammoth near Umatilla, Marme’s Rockshelter and Avey’s Orchard (Osborne, 1953). Pronghorn remains were also recovered on the Satus Wildlife Area on the Yakama Reservation (Shellenberger, 2009).
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 21, 2015, 12:31:59 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 21, 2015, 12:33:01 PM
The Tribe's Fish and Wildlife page says the SouthWest corner of the area
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on December 21, 2015, 02:00:38 PM
Colvilles are doing a much finer job of trimming their wolves than our wdfw.
I hear them howling on the Colville Reservation across Lake Roosevelt from my place all the time. Just a matter of time before they get the bright idea to swim across. When they drop the lake in the winter it's not that far across.
Post by: quadrafire on December 21, 2015, 02:06:13 PM
Those Northern Pike are going to need something to eat maybe they will grab a few as they come across ;)Colvilles are doing a much finer job of trimming their wolves than our wdfw.
I hear them howling on the Colville Reservation across Lake Roosevelt from my place all the time. Just a matter of time before they get the bright idea to swim across. When they drop the lake in the winter it's not that far across.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 21, 2015, 02:15:14 PM
Extirpated in the 1800s according to WDFW. Pronghorn remains have been found as far north as Okanogan County along the Okanogan River. They were also found at a jump trap in Moses Coulee during the rerouting of Highway 2, along with elk, deer, bison and bighorn sheep
Post by: cem3434 on December 21, 2015, 02:48:09 PM
So they're calling it a "re-ireintroducingction" and they're saying pronghorn are a native species. But is there really any proof of that? I've done a lot of reading on this subject in the past and I never found anything that said they were 100% sure that pronghorn had ever existed in Washington state.
The same could be said about the gray wolves that have been "reintroduced", but that didn't stop WDFW from reintroducing them. At least the Colville tribe is trying to do something positive and give their people another game animal to harvest, so I applaud them.
Post by: bobcat on December 21, 2015, 02:55:17 PM
Wolves- Not the subject of this thread but just to clarify... the WDFW did not re-introduce wolves.
The wolves we have now were either already here, or came here on their own from Canada, Idaho, and possibly Oregon.
And in the states in which they were re-introduced, that is the proper term since the species was native to those states.
Post by: boneaddict on December 21, 2015, 03:06:19 PM
Glad they are bringing them in. More the Merrier!
Post by: Bob33 on December 21, 2015, 03:35:07 PM
Post by: Gringo31 on December 21, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
That being said, I HATE the idea of ignoring protocols that are in place to keep our cattle industry safe.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/jan/23/pronghorns-are-back/
Link to my concern and a quote from article.
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“Our understanding is that tribal officials and Nevada where conducting animal health testing,” he said. “The tribe would need to make a decision on what to do if any of the animals tested positive.”
Peregrine Wolff, Nevada state wildlife veterinarian based in Reno, said blood samples she drew from pronghorns delivered to Washington are being tested for brucellosis and possibly for tuberculosis, although it might be two weeks after the animals were released in Washington before results are available.
“TB testing is extremely expensive and we haven’t worked that out yet,” she said Wednesday.
I can't follow these protocols if I wanted to ship a cow from Nevada. One would think for good reason. I agree there is too much red tape with anything but for the tribe to get a pass on bio-security ticks me off.
Post by: csaaphill on December 21, 2015, 05:55:03 PM
I figured they had to be Native of Washington at one time now from Bones link there's proof that if they hunted them in Waitsburg they sure as heck had some in and around Walla Walla as well. Probably out towards Touchet too.
Post by: boneaddict on December 21, 2015, 05:58:57 PM
Post by: jdb on December 21, 2015, 06:01:00 PM
Cool........... I asked once long ago why Washington didn't have Pronghorns, and was told it was too cold. Bull Oregon has them, and from what I've been reading on the Oregon Regs on hunting they are found in places just a few miles from the Border. not far either In and around Ontario you can find Pronghorn Antelope, and believe in, and around Baker so.....to cold? If Wyoming isn't to cold then I'm sure washingtons fine
I figured they had to be Native of Washington at one time now from Bones link there's proof that if they hunted them in Waitsburg they sure as heck had some in and around Walla Walla as well. Probably out towards Touchet too.
Post by: boneaddict on December 21, 2015, 06:03:34 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 21, 2015, 06:08:53 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 21, 2015, 06:13:04 PM
The biggest issue we have is a lack of habitat. Much of what would have been prime habitat 100 years ago, has been converted to agricultural uses and/or cattle range. I'd be amazed if Washington ever has hunt-able populations of antelope. They tried establishing antelope populations several decades ago and it didn't work, so I'm not sure why it would work now, with even less habitat than what would have been available back then.The 99 pronghorns that were released in 2011 are doing very well. The population has more than doubled.
Post by: csaaphill on December 21, 2015, 06:14:30 PM
yeah well that's what I was told lol. think it was an Uncle of mine, but don't remember, it's been 20-30 years ago now that I'd asked that.Cool........... I asked once long ago why Washington didn't have Pronghorns, and was told it was too cold. Bull Oregon has them, and from what I've been reading on the Oregon Regs on hunting they are found in places just a few miles from the Border. not far either In and around Ontario you can find Pronghorn Antelope, and believe in, and around Baker so.....to cold? If Wyoming isn't to cold then I'm sure washingtons fine
I figured they had to be Native of Washington at one time now from Bones link there's proof that if they hunted them in Waitsburg they sure as heck had some in and around Walla Walla as well. Probably out towards Touchet too.
I was like 10-12 years of age at the time.
But it's cool they are doing this. :tup:
Post by: quadrafire on December 21, 2015, 06:43:42 PM
The biggest issue we have is a lack of habitat. Much of what would have been prime habitat 100 years ago, has been converted to agricultural uses and/or cattle range. I'd be amazed if Washington ever has hunt-able populations of antelope. They tried establishing antelope populations several decades ago and it didn't work, so I'm not sure why it would work now, with even less habitat than what would have been available back then.There are A LOT of them down the Madison river area in MT on Agricultural land and cattle range. So I think we have suitable habitat........If we could keep bullets out of them for a while
Post by: bobcat on December 21, 2015, 06:53:04 PM
But it sure will be interesting to see how much they spread. Hopefully I live long enough to see the first hunting season for antelope in Washington.
Post by: Bob33 on December 21, 2015, 06:54:13 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 21, 2015, 06:57:46 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 21, 2015, 07:01:36 PM
Washington's moose population has been slowly growing since the first confirmed moose sighting was made in Pend Oreille County in the early '50's. A study conducted in the early '70's indicated a population of about 60 moose. The first moose hunting season in Washington was in 1977 with three permits in the Selkirk unit of Pend Oreille County. Increased moose sightings throughout the area and beyond suggested a growing population. In 1987 one moose hunting permit was allowed in the Mt. Spokane unit. By 1998 there was a total of 43 permits among five units, and by 2006 there were 100 permits over 10 units.
Post by: jdb on December 21, 2015, 07:06:32 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 21, 2015, 07:07:50 PM
Hmm... what's faster- an antelope or a wolf? :chuckle:One on one, it's not close. A pronghorn is the fastest North American animal and one of the fastest in the world. Dealing with a pack would be another issue.
Antelope do well in wolf country, wolves don't even bother with adults. The pack hunting tendencies of wolves ensure fawn survival, might stumble on a few here and there but the bulk of fawns are never found. Coyote's are the bane of Antelope, they range around in singles and pairs covering much more country much more thoroughly killing fawns. Since wolves tend to drive out coyotes this is a huge boon for Antelope.
Wolves are bad in a lot of ways, but they're very beneficial to Antelope.
Post by: WARHORSE on December 21, 2015, 07:21:26 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 21, 2015, 07:24:53 PM
Post by: Bango skank on December 21, 2015, 07:26:38 PM
Maybe wolves will be beneficial for mule deer too- I hear the wolves have been killing a lot of cougars. :tup:
Now youre dreaming
Post by: KFhunter on December 21, 2015, 07:41:59 PM
Maybe wolves will be beneficial for mule deer too- I hear the wolves have been killing a lot of cougars. :tup:
I'm not sure if your being facetious, but I did some searching to support my claim.
http://www.esajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1890/07-0193.1
Post by: bobcat on December 21, 2015, 07:48:16 PM
Post by: mfswallace on December 21, 2015, 08:00:42 PM
"There is enough native habitat on the plateau to support them," said Whitney. "We chose to move forward with the reintroduction at this time since a primary goal of the wildlife program is to restore native and desired non-native species to the Colville Reservation. Pronghorn are a native species to the homelands of our people. Since they have been extirpated from Wash., our tribal members have had to go to other states in order to utilize these animals for subsistence."
Probably falls under the non-native species clause. Not 100% sure what the "usual and accustomed" range of the tribes that now call the Colville Reservation home actually were, but it is conceivable that some of them used to hunt pronghorn back in the day on those lands.
:dunno:
Post by: Gringo31 on December 22, 2015, 06:54:14 AM
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The 99 pronghorns that were released in 2011 are doing very well. The population has more than doubled.
Don't think this is even close to accurate.
Post by: James on December 22, 2015, 07:18:58 AM
We humans have a history of causing problems with our animal transplants...
Post by: notellumcreek on December 22, 2015, 07:40:09 AM
:yeah: :bash:"There is enough native habitat on the plateau to support them," said Whitney. "We chose to move forward with the reintroduction at this time since a primary goal of the wildlife program is to restore native and desired non-native species to the Colville Reservation. Pronghorn are a native species to the homelands of our people. Since they have been extirpated from Wash., our tribal members have had to go to other states in order to utilize these animals for subsistence."
Probably falls under the non-native species clause. Not 100% sure what the "usual and accustomed" range of the tribes that now call the Colville Reservation home actually were, but it is conceivable that some of them used to hunt pronghorn back in the day on those lands.
:dunno:
Post by: Bob33 on December 22, 2015, 07:56:08 AM
There was a survey done earlier this year. As I recall the number was close to double. The herd size has definitely grown.QuoteThe 99 pronghorns that were released in 2011 are doing very well. The population has more than doubled.
Don't think this is even close to accurate.
Post by: Maverick on December 22, 2015, 07:56:25 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 22, 2015, 08:12:39 AM
I would love to have a sustainable pronghorn population (and hopefully hunting season) in Washington, but before trying to reestablish them were any ecological studies performed?
There was a study done in 2006:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01156/wdfw01156.pdf
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 22, 2015, 08:19:46 AM
Cool........... I asked once long ago why Washington didn't have Pronghorns, and was told it was too cold. Bull Oregon has them, and from what I've been reading on the Oregon Regs on hunting they are found in places just a few miles from the Border. not far either In and around Ontario you can find Pronghorn Antelope, and believe in, and around Baker so.....
I figured they had to be Native of Washington at one time now from Bones link there's proof that if they hunted them in Waitsburg they sure as heck had some in and around Walla Walla as well. Probably out towards Touchet too.
Aren't there a bunch in WY and E. MT, too?
Post by: Gringo31 on December 22, 2015, 08:24:34 AM
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From 99 in 2011 to 140 now is 9.8% or about 10%.
With most to all of the does being pregnant, I would have expected 140ish that first summer. Time will tell how they do.
I think a mistake people make when they see sage brush and think it's antelope country is in many of our western states with healthy populations of antelope, they have more access to water than we do in most "antelope country" in Washington. :twocents:
Post by: Bob33 on December 22, 2015, 08:31:57 AM
Yes. There are tens of thousands of pronghorns in places with colder winters than Washington.Cool........... I asked once long ago why Washington didn't have Pronghorns, and was told it was too cold. Bull Oregon has them, and from what I've been reading on the Oregon Regs on hunting they are found in places just a few miles from the Border. not far either In and around Ontario you can find Pronghorn Antelope, and believe in, and around Baker so.....
I figured they had to be Native of Washington at one time now from Bones link there's proof that if they hunted them in Waitsburg they sure as heck had some in and around Walla Walla as well. Probably out towards Touchet too.
Aren't there a bunch in WY and E. MT, too?
Post by: James on December 22, 2015, 08:01:11 PM
There was a study done in 2006:
http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01156/wdfw01156.pdf
Thank you, that was a good read.
They focused on habitat suitability for Antelope, which is good, but I didn't see anything about Antelope impacts to our current ecosystem.
Post by: HUNTaHOLIC5 on December 22, 2015, 08:09:39 PM
Quote from another threadQuoteFrom 99 in 2011 to 140 now is 9.8% or about 10%.
How accurate is that info? I thought it was just shy of 170.
Post by: boneaddict on December 23, 2015, 04:50:53 AM
Post by: bearpaw on December 23, 2015, 05:11:30 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 23, 2015, 09:29:29 AM
Amen to that. The horses are having wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more of an impact than a few antelope
I'd love to see around 10,000 horses disappear from the face of this earth and a couple more transplants of pronghorn to the yak rez.Quote from another threadQuoteFrom 99 in 2011 to 140 now is 9.8% or about 10%.
How accurate is that info? I thought it was just shy of 170.
I just watched unbranded on netflix streaming, it was pretty interesting and put together very well. I really enjoyed it. Talked a lot about the wild horses and overgrazing but it seemed to hold the middle and not push one agenda too hard over the other.
Post by: PolarBear on December 23, 2015, 09:45:44 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on December 23, 2015, 09:49:19 AM
The biggest issue we have is a lack of habitat. Much of what would have been prime habitat 100 years ago, has been converted to agricultural uses and/or cattle range. I'd be amazed if Washington ever has hunt-able populations of antelope. They tried establishing antelope populations several decades ago and it didn't work, so I'm not sure why it would work now, with even less habitat than what would have been available back then.
How many failed attempts did they have at transplanting turkeys before it took? 4 or 5 I think. And look at them now. I'm not saying it's apples to apples, but I don't think it's apples to oranges either.
Post by: boneaddict on December 23, 2015, 09:58:10 AM
Next we need some buffalo roaming around Washington. They would probably be more destructive than horses. The Colville Rez would be the perfect place to start them off.I about hit an escapee up in the selkirks. He was doing just fine. Lol
Post by: grundy53 on December 23, 2015, 10:07:23 AM
They've got a pretty good herd up there don't they. :chuckle:Next we need some buffalo roaming around Washington. They would probably be more destructive than horses. The Colville Rez would be the perfect place to start them off.I about hit an escapee up in the selkirks. He was doing just fine. Lol
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Post by: jasnt on December 23, 2015, 10:08:16 AM
:yeah:Next we need some buffalo roaming around Washington. They would probably be more destructive than horses. The Colville Rez would be the perfect place to start them off.I about hit an escapee up in the selkirks. He was doing just fine. Lol
My mom about hit one outside wilpenet (spelling?)aswell this year
Last year I seen 2 off kings lake rd by usk
Post by: PolarBear on December 23, 2015, 10:16:42 AM
There were a few that got out in Bucoda a while back. If I remember right 2 were shot and the other 3 or 4 were rounded up. I did European mounts on a bunch for the guy who owned them.Next we need some buffalo roaming around Washington. They would probably be more destructive than horses. The Colville Rez would be the perfect place to start them off.I about hit an escapee up in the selkirks. He was doing just fine. Lol
Post by: theleo on December 23, 2015, 10:38:32 AM
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Post by: Gringo31 on December 24, 2015, 07:55:01 AM
You are asking good questions but this is the beauty of having the tribe handle it. They don't have to follow the same rules....even in regard to point of entry in this state. So, it will just be what it is and later WDFW will take over because now they happened to just show up so they won't be liable either.
Post by: MtnMuley on December 24, 2015, 01:22:21 PM
Amen to that. The horses are having wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more of an impact than a few antelope
The CCT got rid of a buuuuuuuuuunch of horses a while back. :tup:
Post by: 724wd on December 28, 2015, 08:57:31 AM
Next we need some buffalo roaming around Washington. They would probably be more destructive than horses. The Colville Rez would be the perfect place to start them off.
aren't buffalo grazers just nipping the tips of grasses, as opposed to horses who pull everything up by the roots?
Post by: LDennis24 on December 28, 2015, 09:57:58 AM
Post by: dscubame on December 28, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
Post by: HUNTaHOLIC5 on December 28, 2015, 03:11:38 PM
I'm not sure how buffalo graze but I do know horses are one of the worst. There are places on the yak Rez that are nothing but pure dirt where the horses are. What they don't eat they trample into dirt anyway.Next we need some buffalo roaming around Washington. They would probably be more destructive than horses. The Colville Rez would be the perfect place to start them off.
aren't buffalo grazers just nipping the tips of grasses, as opposed to horses who pull everything up by the roots?
I'll take bison any day over horses. Would be epic to send an arrow through the lungs!
Post by: PlateauNDN on December 28, 2015, 04:43:30 PM
I'm not sure how buffalo graze but I do know horses are one of the worst. There are places on the yak Rez that are nothing but pure dirt where the horses are. What they don't eat they trample into dirt anyway.Next we need some buffalo roaming around Washington. They would probably be more destructive than horses. The Colville Rez would be the perfect place to start them off.
aren't buffalo grazers just nipping the tips of grasses, as opposed to horses who pull everything up by the roots?
I'll take bison any day over horses. Would be epic to send an arrow through the lungs!
Some of the best digging grounds are being decimated by the horses. They bite and pull killing not just the tops but the root as well, the part we eat. I almost shot a small herd when they begun jumping around towards family members, they appeared to be showing territorial behavior.
We need less horses by at least 9,999.
Post by: Curly on December 28, 2015, 06:35:12 PM
Why don't they sell a bunch of tags for horses? I'd probably be interested in taking one out.I'm not sure how buffalo graze but I do know horses are one of the worst. There are places on the yak Rez that are nothing but pure dirt where the horses are. What they don't eat they trample into dirt anyway.Next we need some buffalo roaming around Washington. They would probably be more destructive than horses. The Colville Rez would be the perfect place to start them off.
aren't buffalo grazers just nipping the tips of grasses, as opposed to horses who pull everything up by the roots?
I'll take bison any day over horses. Would be epic to send an arrow through the lungs!
Some of the best digging grounds are being decimated by the horses. They bite and pull killing not just the tops but the root as well, the part we eat. I almost shot a small herd when they begun jumping around towards family members, they appeared to be showing territorial behavior.
We need less horses by at least 9,999.
Post by: boneaddict on December 28, 2015, 06:38:45 PM
Post by: Curly on December 28, 2015, 09:29:20 PM
The problem is being addressed much like the wolf issue.Sounds similar to the sealion problem as well.
Post by: Dry creek on January 29, 2016, 08:01:23 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on January 29, 2016, 08:03:42 AM
Antelope are on the loose. they released them Wednesday.:tup:
How many did they release?
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 29, 2016, 08:04:47 AM
Antelope are on the loose. they released them Wednesday.:tup:
How many did they release?
Bone said 100 originally. I've heard that number a few more times from people who consider themselves to be in the know.
Post by: mfswallace on January 29, 2016, 08:10:18 AM
I'm not sure how buffalo graze but I do know horses are one of the worst. There are places on the yak Rez that are nothing but pure dirt where the horses are. What they don't eat they trample into dirt anyway.Next we need some buffalo roaming around Washington. They would probably be more destructive than horses. The Colville Rez would be the perfect place to start them off.
aren't buffalo grazers just nipping the tips of grasses, as opposed to horses who pull everything up by the roots?
I'll take bison any day over horses. Would be epic to send an arrow through the lungs!
Some of the best digging grounds are being decimated by the horses. They bite and pull killing not just the tops but the root as well, the part we eat. I almost shot a small herd when they begun jumping around towards family members, they appeared to be showing territorial behavior.
We need less horses by at least 9,999.
Is it against tribal rules to shoot them? Are they considered sacred?
Post by: JDHasty on January 29, 2016, 08:14:52 AM
Hmm... what's faster- an antelope or a wolf? :chuckle:
Wolf speedgoat interaction in Yellowstone caught on video
Post by: boneaddict on January 30, 2016, 07:47:03 AM
NESPELEM—Wildlife staff from the Colville Tribes’ Fish and Wildlife Department released 52 pronghorns early yesterday morning in the southwestern part of the Colville Reservation.
“It’s all about restoration,” said Richard Whitney, wildlife manager for CTFW. “This is a primary goal of the wildlife program, to restore native and desired non-native species to the Colville Indian Reservation. Also, these animals won’t directly compete with elk, deer or moose. There are slight overlaps in habitat use between mule deer and pronghorn, but their diets are slightly different.”
The animals were captured through an aerial capture program in Nevada, and once captured, officials drew blood for DNA and disease testing, conducted body condition checks, age and temperature monitoring, according to tribal biologists.
Forty of the animals were fitted with GPS/VHF transmitting collars that wildlife officials say will be used to identify habitat usage, along with daily and seasonal migrations of the animals.
The animals were shipped to the Colville Reservation via stock trailers overnight.
“Anytime a wild creature (Tumi’xh) can be reintroduced to its native habitat, that is a good thing,” said Randall Friedlander, CTFW director.
The tribal mitigation area where the animals were released is primarily shrub-steppe habitat with draws and drainages that support riparian vegetation. Primary vegetation is bitterbrush, sagebrush (basin big sagebrush and three-tipped sagebrush) with undergrowth components of native perennial grasses and forbs.
Post by: Timberstalker on January 30, 2016, 07:55:36 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 30, 2016, 11:33:56 AM
Post by: JDHasty on January 30, 2016, 08:48:23 PM
They are incredibly fast. I pulled over several times to get them on film and they sometimes ran in the same direction I was driving. Clocked at 60mph+ and they'll run through a fence going about 40 mph :yike:
Be careful about not running them into fence lines. They break the wire and sometimes themselves too. My cousins in Montana have a lot of fence mending they attribute to speed goats having hit the fence and broken the barbed wire.
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 31, 2016, 08:16:00 AM
They are incredibly fast. I pulled over several times to get them on film and they sometimes ran in the same direction I was driving. Clocked at 60mph+ and they'll run through a fence going about 40 mph :yike:
Be careful about not running them into fence lines. They break the wire and sometimes themselves too. My cousins in Montana have a lot of fence mending they attribute to speed goats having hit the fence and broken the barbed wire.
Yeah we quit trying after seeing how they use up so much energy when spooked
Post by: quadrafire on February 03, 2016, 07:58:31 AM
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Post by: dwils233 on February 16, 2016, 03:46:57 PM
Read in the paper today that 11 have died so far.
link to the article? I'm curious how they died. Thats too bad, I hope they do well
Post by: Bob33 on February 16, 2016, 03:48:50 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 16, 2016, 05:21:28 PM
Post by: buglebrush on February 18, 2016, 01:57:35 PM
I was thinking of the agricultural area around Moses Lake. Not really suitable for antelope. And where there are cattle there are fences, which antelope don't do well with.
But it sure will be interesting to see how much they spread. Hopefully I live long enough to see the first hunting season for antelope in Washington.
Really wonder what you are talking about with fences? Everywhere I've seen Antelope there has been lots of ranching and fences. :dunno:
Post by: buglebrush on February 18, 2016, 02:01:08 PM
Maybe wolves will be beneficial for mule deer too- I hear the wolves have been killing a lot of cougars. :tup:
No. Not even close. :bdid:
Post by: jkthomps on February 18, 2016, 04:49:41 PM
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-colville-tribes-risky-pronghorn-antelope.html
"The Washington State Game Department, which preceded the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, tried and failed three times to reintroduce pronghorn to Washington: once at the Yakima Training Center in the 1930s; in 1950 in Asotin County near Ritzville; and then again in 1968, with a release in Kittitas and Grant counties."
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-02-colville-tribes-risky-pronghorn-antelope.html#jCp
Was Asotin County near Ritzville in the 1950s? I don't recall Asotin County being close to Ritzville.
Post by: Bob33 on February 18, 2016, 04:58:52 PM
Post by: C-Money on February 22, 2016, 10:45:20 AM
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-colville-tribes-risky-pronghorn-antelope.html
"The Washington State Game Department, which preceded the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, tried and failed three times to reintroduce pronghorn to Washington: once at the Yakima Training Center in the 1930s; in 1950 in Asotin County near Ritzville; and then again in 1968, with a release in Kittitas and Grant counties."
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-02-colville-tribes-risky-pronghorn-antelope.html#jCp
Was Asotin County near Ritzville in the 1950s? I don't recall Asotin County being close to Ritzville.
Adams County, Asotin County, one of those "A" counties.... :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on February 22, 2016, 10:50:20 AM
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Post by: C-Money on February 22, 2016, 10:53:17 AM
Hey maybe those couple speedgoats that were down on the Alpowa a couple years ago were remnants of the asotin county relocation project.
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:yeah: You might be on to something!! :chuckle:
Post by: NWWA Hunter on February 23, 2016, 05:27:03 AM
Seriously, who in their right mind would turn the antelope loose in the middle of the worst winter we've had for years in the middle of nowhere in 2ft of snow in country where there are several fences?? :dunno: More power to their efforts if they want to reintroduce the lopes there, but at least give a little better thought and have a little better place .....at least for the animals sake. :twocents:
Because when antelope are transplanted they get so worked up that their body temperature rises and there is a high mortality. Unless, there are low temperatures the entire distance of the trip to keep their core temperature lower. Additionally there is high mortality if it takes too long to transport them. So in order to safely transport them it has to be cold from Nevada all the way through to Washington. This is why there has only been one transplant to the Yakimas. It is very difficult to trans locate them due to their fragility and you need perfect conditions.
Post by: bearpaw on February 23, 2016, 05:46:14 AM
Seriously, who in their right mind would turn the antelope loose in the middle of the worst winter we've had for years in the middle of nowhere in 2ft of snow in country where there are several fences?? :dunno: More power to their efforts if they want to reintroduce the lopes there, but at least give a little better thought and have a little better place .....at least for the animals sake. :twocents:
Because when antelope are transplanted they get so worked up that their body temperature rises and there is a high mortality. Unless, there are low temperatures the entire distance of the trip to keep their core temperature lower. Additionally there is high mortality if it takes too long to transport them. So in order to safely transport them it has to be cold from Nevada all the way through to Washington. This is why there has only been one transplant to the Yakimas. It is very difficult to trans locate them due to their fragility and you need perfect conditions.
The long trip may have had an impact, no way around that to get them there. I doubt there was much snow where they were released, there are already bear coming out on the reservation.
Glad they are doing this!
Post by: Sumpnneedskillin on February 23, 2016, 08:02:35 AM
Hmm... what's faster- an antelope or a wolf? :chuckle:
Wolf speedgoat interaction in Yellowstone caught on video
Last year I watched a lone wolf chase antelope in the Lamar Valley. It was almost as if the antelope were teasing the wolf. They'd run for a bit and then let up so the wolf could catch up and then take off and they'd let the wolf catch up. This went on for several minutes. Finally the wolf gave up.
Post by: nwwanderer on February 24, 2016, 08:54:11 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 24, 2016, 10:36:01 AM
Seriously, who in their right mind would turn the antelope loose in the middle of the worst winter we've had for years in the middle of nowhere in 2ft of snow in country where there are several fences?? :dunno: More power to their efforts if they want to reintroduce the lopes there, but at least give a little better thought and have a little better place .....at least for the animals sake. :twocents:
Because when antelope are transplanted they get so worked up that their body temperature rises and there is a high mortality. Unless, there are low temperatures the entire distance of the trip to keep their core temperature lower. Additionally there is high mortality if it takes too long to transport them. So in order to safely transport them it has to be cold from Nevada all the way through to Washington. This is why there has only been one transplant to the Yakimas. It is very difficult to trans locate them due to their fragility and you need perfect conditions.
The long trip may have had an impact, no way around that to get them there. I doubt there was much snow where they were released, there are already bear coming out on the reservation.
Glad they are doing this!
They were released on January 27. Where they were released, there was 2+ feet of snow during an extended period of below freezing weather. This was near the furthest western boundary of the rez. I can assure you there were no bears coming out of hibernation on January 27 there.