Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 27, 2015, 01:14:50 AM
http://www.adn.com/article/20151226/after-nearly-100-years-wolves-are-back-california-and-theyre-hungry
Post by: bobcat on December 27, 2015, 01:18:51 AM
Post by: mfswallace on December 27, 2015, 03:50:16 AM
I wonder if the California Department of Fish and Wildlife is being blamed for planting the wolves there.
So sure of yourself on the side of the mountains that isn't being eaten alive by wolves :chuckle:
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on December 27, 2015, 06:38:08 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on December 27, 2015, 07:56:47 AM
I wonder if the California Department of Fish and Wildlife is being blamed for planting the wolves there.
So sure of yourself on the side of the mountains that isn't being eaten alive by wolves :chuckle:
Eaten alive by wolves... :chuckle:
Post by: Bob33 on December 27, 2015, 08:13:32 AM
I wonder if the California Department of Fish and Wildlife is being blamed for planting the wolves there.I heard they subcontracted it out to WDFW because California didn't have enough vans.
Post by: boneaddict on December 27, 2015, 08:18:39 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 27, 2015, 08:19:45 AM
Post by: idahohuntr on December 27, 2015, 10:05:39 AM
And those of you poking fun that have never even seen one, should be ashamed of yourselves.They are the survivors...all the others were eaten alive! :chuckle:
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Post by: bobcat on December 27, 2015, 10:09:44 AM
And those of you poking fun that have never even seen one, should be ashamed of yourselves.
I've seen three. Is that enough that I don't need to feel ashamed?
Post by: Bob33 on December 27, 2015, 10:12:28 AM
And those of you poking fun that have never even seen one, should be ashamed of yourselves.I believe the individuals that should be ashamed of themselves are those who post completely false or unfounded accusations. When they lose credibility they do more to hurt the cause than help.
Post by: wolfbait on December 27, 2015, 10:51:33 AM
In California.
http://www.adn.com/article/20151226/after-nearly-100-years-wolves-are-back-california-and-theyre-hungry
That's old news Sitka………….
http://tomremington.com/2014/06/09/the-naturally-migrating-gi-wolves/
Post by: bearpaw on December 27, 2015, 11:29:29 AM
In California.
http://www.adn.com/article/20151226/after-nearly-100-years-wolves-are-back-california-and-theyre-hungry
One confirmed pack and cattle are being eaten! :chuckle: :chuckle:
What a pitiful situation! No wonder they were extirpated from the lower 48 states, they simply do not fit well in our modern ecosystems!
No doubt we can live with some carefully managed wolves with out too many problems, it will be a cost to ranchers who's livestock will support those wolves when they frequent ranching areas and it's only right that if the wolf lovers want these non-native planted wolves (they were officially planted in ID and YNP and spread to other states) then ranchers and pet owners should be fully reimbursed for losses. The challenge will be getting the "green" states like WA/OR/CA to manage wolves at all and to fully pay for losses to rural residents (ranchers & pet owners) for losses.
I had a good talk with a game warden this fall about wolves, not going to say who or which state, the wardens don't want wolves in their area, they know it will mean livestock losses and wildlife impacts. Even though their job is to stop poaching they fully understand why many people have a SSS attitude about wolves.
The wolf groups and state agencies would get so much more acceptance of wolves if it was publicized that wolves were to be kept to more remote areas and managed in a more controlled manner than what we have seen, first in ID/MT/WY, and now especially in WA. The biggest mistake is trying to force wolves statewide, in agricultural areas and heavy populated rural areas like NE WA. I hear about wolves being terminated every year, general talk on the street, that news travels. Do not for a second think that the one collared wolf found last year was the only wolf terminated in NE WA, that is the one that was found due to the collar.
I really don't blame the individuals involved because they sincerely see SSS as a survival necessity. I used to hear about SSS a lot in Idaho and Montana, especially after that Missoula judge stopped hunting, but now wolves aren't so much of a concern in ID/MT because management is taking place and people know they can protect themselves and their property, people feel that wolves are being managed more responsibly so their attitudes have changed.
Now the rumors of SSS are in WA where people feel they have no other option. I don't spend time in OR but I bet the same thing is happening there too and you can bet CA will be next. I place most blame for SSS on the manner in which the agencies forced wolves into rural areas. Only a fool would expect any other reaction from the local people who are forced to live with all the impacts of wolves while wolf lovers sit smugly in their urban homes hoping for more wolves to impact rural ranchers and residents!
There may be a few who say my attitude about SSS is faulty, that I condone it and therefore cause it to happen. I'm not condoning it, it's more like I'm smart enough to recognize why it's happening and I'm not afraid to say it's happening and explain why. SSS is going to happen whether I say anything about it or not. I most certainly blame the agencies 100% for this whole botched affair and for the SSS that is taking place! SSS is taking place because the agencies have lost all the trust and faith of many people. It's not a healthy situation for wildlife management in general as I'm afraid this attitude could spread into the attitude about management of other wildlife.
I sincerely believe most people would much rather have full trust and faith in our agencies to carefully manage wolves along with all our wildlife!
Post by: wolfbait on December 27, 2015, 11:37:52 AM
Post by: thatdamguy on December 28, 2015, 01:33:52 PM
I wonder if the California Department of Fish and Wildlife is being blamed for planting the wolves there.
Fish and game manage wild animals, when wild animals start causing problems do you blame the animal or the agency who manages them?
Post by: bobcat on December 28, 2015, 01:36:28 PM
I wonder if the California Department of Fish and Wildlife is being blamed for planting the wolves there.
Fish and game manage wild animals, when wild animals start causing problems do you blame the animal or the agency who manages them?
So what are you saying- the CDFW actually DID plant those wolves in the state of California?
Post by: thatdamguy on December 28, 2015, 01:45:34 PM
I wonder if the California Department of Fish and Wildlife is being blamed for planting the wolves there.
Fish and game manage wild animals, when wild animals start causing problems do you blame the animal or the agency who manages them?
So what are you saying- the CDFW actually DID plant those wolves in the state of California?
No, I am just interested to see who will get the blame for the imminent wolf problems in CA the CDFW or the wolf.
Post by: bobcat on December 28, 2015, 01:49:33 PM
I wonder if the California Department of Fish and Wildlife is being blamed for planting the wolves there.
Fish and game manage wild animals, when wild animals start causing problems do you blame the animal or the agency who manages them?
So what are you saying- the CDFW actually DID plant those wolves in the state of California?
No, I am just interested to see who will get the blame for the imminent wolf problems in CA the CDFW or the wolf.
Oh I see, I think I must have misunderstood your comment. No doubt the CDFW will eventually be blamed for the wolves and the problems they cause, if any.
Post by: WALLEYEGUY on December 28, 2015, 01:56:52 PM
Post by: Special T on December 28, 2015, 04:17:30 PM
My straw poll on the wolf subject is that 99%of the wa hunters ive talked to do not view shooting a wolf the same as shooting a deer or elk out of season. When asked directly most say they probably wouldnt shoot one but wouldnt say anything if they witnessed it. All said they wouldnt want to k ow if you shot one but wouldnt think poorly of you.
To me this points to the huge disconnect that BP speaks of with the WDFW and the general hunting public. I think its u fortunate because I think this general distrust of the agency will bleed over to more issues that normally hunters might be more proactive about.
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Post by: bearpaw on December 28, 2015, 11:28:01 PM
Well said BP. The one rancher I know know refused to even speak about the wolf subject. There is only one reason why I could guess.
My straw poll on the wolf subject is that 99%of the wa hunters ive talked to do not view shooting a wolf the same as shooting a deer or elk out of season. When asked directly most say they probably wouldnt shoot one but wouldnt say anything if they witnessed it. All said they wouldnt want to k ow if you shot one but wouldnt think poorly of you.
To me this points to the huge disconnect that BP speaks of with the WDFW and the general hunting public. I think its u fortunate because I think this general distrust of the agency will bleed over to more issues that normally hunters might be more proactive about.
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exactly, the whole impact is likely not good for hunting or wildlife
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