Post by: UBA on December 27, 2015, 03:12:41 PM
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 27, 2015, 05:50:57 PM
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Post by: Ridgeratt on December 27, 2015, 06:14:25 PM
I would guess more gated roads has something to do with all the fires last summer. It could be a good thing or a bad thing for hunter's depending on exactly how much area is being closed to motorized vehicles.
Have you given any thought about becoming a "Fortune Teller"?
Post by: bobcat on December 27, 2015, 06:14:57 PM
I would guess more gated roads has something to do with all the fires last summer. It could be a good thing or a bad thing for hunter's depending on exactly how much area is being closed to motorized vehicles.
Have you given any thought about becoming a "Fortune Teller"?
No.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on December 27, 2015, 06:27:17 PM
Post by: wsucowboy on December 27, 2015, 06:34:29 PM
I don't have problems with gates. If everybody follows the same rules, the problem I have is with the BOZO's on quads that drive around the gates and wreck the hunt for those of us that walk in !!!:yeah:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 27, 2015, 06:35:57 PM
Post by: ipkus on December 27, 2015, 06:41:06 PM
Post by: coachcw on December 27, 2015, 06:48:05 PM
I've walked many, many miles, but can't do it now. It just irritates me, to hear the the few elitist, that think I shouldn't be able to ride my quad behind a gate. Buy a pass and hunt on private timber lands, the pass is only a couple hundred bucks compared to $10,000 plus, to be able to enjoy one of the things I like to do....disabled hunters do get some special privileges as well. I would like to see them get a few throphy opportunities to go along with it . No reason a old boy that can't hike shouldn't get a chance at a rut hunt.
Post by: HntnFsh on December 27, 2015, 06:50:09 PM
any idea on list of roads? Im fine with gates honestly, creates a better hunting experienceFor who? Just those that are capable of hiking past them.! Unfortunately many are not. And deserve a good hunting experience also!
Post by: wsmnut on December 27, 2015, 07:06:13 PM
I would guess more gated roads has something to do with all the fires last summer. It could be a good thing or a bad thing for hunter's depending on exactly how much area is being closed to motorized vehicles.
I would put money on this being the reason. There is bound to be a lot of mud slides that are related to burn scars that are going to ruin a bunch of roads. The road maintenance budget will likely not fix all of them.
If I remember right there were some gates closing access to some of the area related to the Tripod complex fire that were in the "closed" position for a couple years after the fire.
Post by: ipkus on December 27, 2015, 07:08:21 PM
I've walked many, many miles, but can't do it now. It just irritates me, to hear the the few elitist, that think I shouldn't be able to ride my quad behind a gate. Buy a pass and hunt on private timber lands, the pass is only a couple hundred bucks compared to $10,000 plus, to be able to enjoy one of the things I like to do....disabled hunters do get some special privileges as well. I would like to see them get a few throphy opportunities to go along with it . No reason a old boy that can't hike shouldn't get a chance at a rut hunt.
Closed roads need to be closed to all. Open roads are needed and should be open to all. Road density in many areas is too great and it is scientifically proven to have negative impacts on wildlife. At the same time, closing off all road access to large chunks of ground is also uncalled for because it unfairly limits reasonable access to the able bodied. Handicapped people, the tribes, the elderly, youth, etc...deserve to have some options, but not necessarily every option.
Political corrrectness is one of the many things that are slowly destroying this country. I'm tired of watching able bodied people hop out of full size trucks rolling 35's that just whipped into the handicapped spot at the grocery store.
Post by: Seabass on December 28, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
At this point in my life I can go anywhere I have the ambition to go. I have no idea how long that will last. I assume that ability will eventually go away. I'm in my 40's now and I still consider myself bullet proof but I'm not stupid. Father time or something else catches us all.
Those that have been deemed disabled by the state have some opportunities, maybe they should have more, I don't know. Our society seems to take care of those people.
The guy that I truly have sympathy for is the guy who has not been officially declared "disabled". He's not looking for special treatment from anybody. I'm talking about the guy who is simply worn out physically and not capable of hunting behind those locked gates. He's not asking for special parking access or disability income....he just wants to hop on his 4-wheeler and hunt. I have some buddies right now that are in that camp at age 40. They aren't "disabled" to the point that they want or need something special but they can't hunt with me behind those locked gates. That guy seems to be the one who gets the shaft when roads are closed.
I'm not sure what can be done about it but it does stink for that guy.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 28, 2015, 11:59:20 AM
I wish I hadn't lost so much trust in our agencies that I automatically jump to a negative conclusion every time I hear about one of these closures. I can think of at least 3-4 very legitimate reasons for closing a road. Unfortunately I am so cynical (rightfully so in my mind) that all I can think about is being locked out for some ulterior motive by the department.
The guy that I truly have sympathy for is the guy who has not been officially declared "disabled". He's not looking for special treatment from anybody. I'm talking about the guy who is simply worn out physically and not capable of hunting behind those locked gates. He's not asking for special parking access or disability income....he just wants to hop on his 4-wheeler and hunt. I have some buddies right now that are in that camp at age 40. They aren't "disabled" to the point that they want or need something special but they can't hunt with me behind those locked gates. That guy seems to be the one who gets the shaft when roads are closed.
I'm not sure what can be done about it but it does stink for that guy.
We have a lot in common in our views. I want to see less road access in some areas that are pounded due to motorized access, yet I also have lost trust in the land management agencies - especially when they close areas to all entry for "our own safety". Spare me the nanny state, let me accept the risks for my own well-being on public wildlands.
However, I am also "that guy". Got a couple of stents in 2004, but the heart issues didn't really start to limit me until 2007. I DON'T want management to the lowest common denominator - there are some things we should do when we are young and healthy, and that includes backcountry hunting. I sure as heck don't want motorized trails into all the backcountry areas, just so us worn out/sick/fat and lazy guys can ride our Rascal scooters (sorry, quads). At some point, we have to accept that our time to hunt the backcountry is passed, hunt close to the roads, and leave the remote havens to the game as partial sanctuaries. The conservation spirit of our hunting forefathers sure has been traded away in many cases for a sense of entitlement, I bought a license and I'm owed an experience. That's my 2 cents.
Post by: MADMAX on December 28, 2015, 12:09:21 PM
I just hate leaving my vehicle at one.
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Post by: X-Force on December 28, 2015, 12:16:05 PM
I would guess more gated roads has something to do with all the fires last summer. It could be a good thing or a bad thing for hunter's depending on exactly how much area is being closed to motorized vehicles.
Have you given any thought about becoming a "Fortune Teller"?
No.
It could be that the gates are just replacements for damaged gates and could have almost nothing to do with new access. WDFW just awarded a bid to put in 15 miles of fence in the Methow valley because the previous fence was destroyed.
Post by: Seabass on December 28, 2015, 12:18:15 PM
I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately it feels (may not be true but certainly feels) like everything is managed to the lowest common denominator these days. I too would like to make my own decisions in regards to my personal safety. It seems like "public safety" is a catchall for a lot of new rules. Common sense can't be legislated so in turn a rule has to be made.
Post by: Katmai Guy on December 28, 2015, 12:45:11 PM
Post by: X-Force on December 28, 2015, 12:51:09 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on December 28, 2015, 01:17:09 PM
http://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/okawen/landmanagement/resourcemanagement/?cid=fseprd486110
You should also be able to find the project online somewhere under news and events or possibly projects.
Post by: dscubame on December 28, 2015, 01:48:36 PM
I've walked many, many miles, but can't do it now. It just irritates me, to hear the the few elitist, that think I shouldn't be able to ride my quad behind a gate. Buy a pass and hunt on private timber lands, the pass is only a couple hundred bucks compared to $10,000 plus, to be able to enjoy one of the things I like to do....disabled hunters do get some special privileges as well. I would like to see them get a few throphy opportunities to go along with it . No reason a old boy that can't hike shouldn't get a chance at a rut hunt.
Closed roads need to be closed to all. Open roads are needed and should be open to all. Road density in many areas is too great and it is scientifically proven to have negative impacts on wildlife. At the same time, closing off all road access to large chunks of ground is also uncalled for because it unfairly limits reasonable access to the able bodied. Handicapped people, the tribes, the elderly, youth, etc...deserve to have some options, but not necessarily every option.
Political corrrectness is one of the many things that are slowly destroying this country. I'm tired of watching able bodied people hop out of full size trucks rolling 35's that just whipped into the handicapped spot at the grocery store.
Agree. I am not seeing where anyone is saying to close all roads just close some more with plenty still open.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 28, 2015, 01:55:27 PM
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Post by: LDennis24 on December 28, 2015, 03:47:07 PM
More gates are fine! I welcome the added challenge of getting my quad or truck around themYou might have the right to use the land but you don't have the right to destroy it and alter it to suit your need's. I used to hunt an area up north of Chewelah that was awesome for whitetail bucks. It was open and clear for a long ways and held dozen's of legal bucks until one year some guy's decided to turn it into a 4x4 track for there ATV's. It's never been the same since. I have friends who talk of the same thing happening in there favotire spot's as well. If your too lazy to get out of your rig then just stay home. :bash:
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Post by: logger on December 28, 2015, 06:08:47 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 28, 2015, 06:14:15 PM
For me its not about hunting, it's about control, the feds are famous for screwing up a wet dream, They come up with idiotic policies and once they are in place it's a task and a half to get them to change even when they can see for themselves that it's not working. How about joe blow who just wants to take the family for a drive, tank traps and gates everywhere, now for those who say there is plenty of roads left to drive on, well your right! BUT I say to those same people if you want the solitude of hunting in a roadless area, go to a wilderness! We the people own that land, the forest service are the managers which to me they fail miserably. What i see is the f.s is great at tearing them out and reducing the access level even more for everybody young and old alike. there are tons of road sytems with a little work could be in the system again, These huge washouts that occur on alot of their roads could be aleviated if they would do proper maint. The road system is their biggest infrastructure that once its gone its gone, they will never build them again.
That's what they want, pull up to NFS Boundry and road will be gated. :bash: :bash: :bash:
Post by: elksnout on December 28, 2015, 07:58:21 PM
Is that what we want?
Me? I'd like to participate until I choose not to. Not because I'm forced out because of access.
Post by: Turner89 on December 28, 2015, 08:09:39 PM
I've got more years behind me now than in front of me and can still get it done. But it's waaaaaaaaay harder and gets more so each fall. I've turned the corner now and "that day" is staring me in the face.Gates have their place for certain reasons and I understand that. You young guns, the extreme crowd, the hooray for me guys and screw everyone else will too someday know what some of us do now. With pay to play, added gates, more hunting restrictions,etc. I can easily make the stretch we'll lose more hunters each year than recruit.good post elksnout. I still can get out beyond the gates also, but I know that in 10 years ill consider myself lucky to still be doing it. It defiantly won't do us any favors getting new hunters, and keeping alot of the old. I think it's a mistake.
Is that what we want?
Me? I'd like to participate until I choose not to. Not because I'm forced out because of access.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 28, 2015, 08:19:11 PM
It looks like 90% of these roads aren't even a mile long. I saw maybe a dozen in the 15 pages I scrolled through that are even over 5 miles long. :dunno: Sound's like there are too many road's and not enough gate's to me. Looking at the map it doesn't appear to me that we need that many roads in one area anyways. People who can't walk a long way's will still have hundred's of miles of road's to drive and look for game. :twocents:
The problem with this next time around it will be another 2-5 miles from that gate slowly but surely Lessing the road system to what my other post said. Gates at the NFS Boundry signes saying walk in only in groups of only you pick the number 16, 14, 10, 8, 6 then it will say closed due to wolf/grizzley sanctuary. :twocents: :bash:
Post by: RB on December 28, 2015, 08:29:57 PM
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Post by: Rainier10 on December 29, 2015, 11:11:25 AM
I would guess more gated roads has something to do with all the fires last summer. It could be a good thing or a bad thing for hunter's depending on exactly how much area is being closed to motorized vehicles.This is my guess also. A couple of gates went in Swakane in 2014, saying road closed due to fire damage or something like that. This year they were unlocked and open. I am sure it was easier to install the gate and lock for the one year and then open it back up versus digging a tank trap and then coming back up to fill it in. The problem is now that the gate is there they can lock it at anytime.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 29, 2015, 03:05:07 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 29, 2015, 03:09:20 PM
Your right about age being a factor in hiking long distances and I'm not at that age yet but I understand how you see it. I just don't agree with people on ATV's making there own trails just because they can fit between 2 trees. That's crap. There is nothing that can justify that. I still feel that there are more roads to drive and hunt than anyone can cover in an entire hunting season and if that's not enough then what is? A road every 100yds across the forest so you can scan and see everything without having to leave your pickup? Doesn't sound like good habitat to me? :dunno:
FYI : Motorcylces and 4 wheel drive vehicles do ALLOT more damage in the woods than any ATV will. Also, it's perfectly legal to drive anyplace on state land, that is our land and not certain peoples land.
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 03:19:11 PM
If there are no gates and roads everywhere, often the only places left where a guy can get out of a vehicle to hunt are the extremely steep areas where building roads wasn't feasible.
The roads are in the easier terrain and gates make it possible for people to walk into those easier areas to hunt. If everyone was driving in there it's probably not worth hunting.
Post by: baker5150 on December 29, 2015, 03:22:00 PM
Your right about age being a factor in hiking long distances and I'm not at that age yet but I understand how you see it. I just don't agree with people on ATV's making there own trails just because they can fit between 2 trees. That's crap. There is nothing that can justify that. I still feel that there are more roads to drive and hunt than anyone can cover in an entire hunting season and if that's not enough then what is? A road every 100yds across the forest so you can scan and see everything without having to leave your pickup? Doesn't sound like good habitat to me? :dunno:
FYI : Motorcylces and 4 wheel drive vehicles do ALLOT more damage in the woods than any ATV will. Also, it's perfectly legal to drive anyplace on state land, that is our land and not certain peoples land.
Uh, that all depends on a TON of circumstances. Most important of all being the operator.
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 29, 2015, 03:24:36 PM
More gates are fine! I welcome the added challenge of getting my quad or truck around them
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Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 29, 2015, 03:39:25 PM
Your right about age being a factor in hiking long distances and I'm not at that age yet but I understand how you see it. I just don't agree with people on ATV's making there own trails just because they can fit between 2 trees. That's crap. There is nothing that can justify that. I still feel that there are more roads to drive and hunt than anyone can cover in an entire hunting season and if that's not enough then what is? A road every 100yds across the forest so you can scan and see everything without having to leave your pickup? Doesn't sound like good habitat to me? :dunno:
FYI : Motorcylces and 4 wheel drive vehicles do ALLOT more damage in the woods than any ATV will. Also, it's perfectly legal to drive anyplace on state land, that is our land and not certain peoples land.
Uh, that all depends on a TON of circumstances. Most important of all being the operator.
BINGO on the operator. Everybody is different, the young don't care about results of their actions etc....
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 29, 2015, 03:48:21 PM
...I still act like I'm 18 and never act my age, why, I say to myself, you only live once..
:peep: gotcha
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 29, 2015, 05:11:45 PM
...I still act like I'm 18 and never act my age, why, I say to myself, you only live once..
:peep: gotcha
Looks like a liberal media spin from another forum on here..... :chuckle:
Post by: LDennis24 on December 29, 2015, 06:45:31 PM
Your right about age being a factor in hiking long distances and I'm not at that age yet but I understand how you see it. I just don't agree with people on ATV's making there own trails just because they can fit between 2 trees. That's crap. There is nothing that can justify that. I still feel that there are more roads to drive and hunt than anyone can cover in an entire hunting season and if that's not enough then what is? A road every 100yds across the forest so you can scan and see everything without having to leave your pickup? Doesn't sound like good habitat to me? :dunno:
FYI : Motorcylces and 4 wheel drive vehicles do ALLOT more damage in the woods than any ATV will. Also, it's perfectly legal to drive anyplace on state land, that is our land and not certain peoples land.
I never said anything about motorcycles, and I don't leave the road in my pickup unless I've been given permission by the landowner.
FYI: It absolutely is not legal to drive anywhere you want on state land. I know plenty about it, my home is surrounded by several section's and it is off limit's to motor vehicles unless you hold a farming or grazing lease on it or have the lessee's permission to access it.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 29, 2015, 06:49:19 PM
Your right about age being a factor in hiking long distances and I'm not at that age yet but I understand how you see it. I just don't agree with people on ATV's making there own trails just because they can fit between 2 trees. That's crap. There is nothing that can justify that. I still feel that there are more roads to drive and hunt than anyone can cover in an entire hunting season and if that's not enough then what is? A road every 100yds across the forest so you can scan and see everything without having to leave your pickup? Doesn't sound like good habitat to me? :dunno:
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FYI : Motorcylces and 4 wheel drive vehicles do ALLOT more damage in the woods than any ATV will. Also, it's perfectly legal to drive anyplace on state land, that is our land and not certain peoples land.
I never said anything about motorcycles, and I don't leave the road in my pickup unless I've been given permission by the landowner.
FYI: It absolutely is not legal to drive anywhere you want on state land. I know plenty about it, my home is surrounded by several section's and it is off limit's to motor vehicles unless you hold a farming or grazing lease on it or have the lessee's permission to access it.
ATVs are a scapegoat for everybody to blame. It's what all the greenies do. You can drive on state land where I live, so you must live in the city.
Post by: Critter Ritter on December 29, 2015, 08:35:14 PM
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Post by: haus on December 29, 2015, 10:02:01 PM
Sure in my case this year I got to a gate 2nd and the first pair of hunters got a deer up ahead of us at first light and I got mine in an area they'd already passed through, good for me, but I hardly see it as good for us. That area could of handled far more than four hunters, but the gate was 4 miles away from the first set of spur roads to disperse hunters. Anything prior to that had poor terrain and little to no deer holding in it. Two trucks at the gate was enough to deter the rest even though between four hunters we didn't even touch 2/3rd's of the available access in that section. Now consider the amount of time required to travel further, factor in harvesting a deer that far back, then consider most hunters only have the weekends to hunt and its easy to see why other hunters passed by.
I get it some of you want to thump your chest about being the one who does get out of your truck every day, maybe you 'outsmarted' the others and got yours close to the vehicle, maybe you got in there way before everyone else did and beat the rush, maybe you bailed off into the brush no where near a gate or any other hunters, good for you bravo 'golf clap', but that hardly means good for us in the long run.
Limiting access is simply limiting access, it's not THE solution everywhere, nor is zero gates motorized access for all THE solution everywhere.
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 10:55:36 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 29, 2015, 11:37:05 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on December 30, 2015, 12:02:41 AM
Good post, haus. Yes, the location of the gates is a big issue. Gating of an entire mainline can be very bad for hunters, for the reasons you stated. But all the short little spur roads, now that could be a great benefit. Problem is it's got to be easier and cheaper for them to gate the main lines. A lot less gates needed that way.
Yup Would be nice if mainlines were open to disperse hunters. Back in the day, Capitol Forest had no roads, but did have railroad spurs that were used for logging. Hunters could catch a ride and get dropped off where ever they wanted and at the end of the day the train came back through and picked hunters and their deer up for a ride back to the road. Heard many stories from my dad and uncles and great uncles about this. The only other way to access most of that country was on foot or by horseback. I believe after they quit using trains, you could also catch a ride on a crummy for some years. My family lived on the Mox Chehalis and hunted over to Porter Creek and Rock Candy Mt.
Anyway, it was a way to spread hunters out. Gates do congregate people.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 30, 2015, 12:21:07 AM
Post by: logger on December 30, 2015, 07:43:47 AM
Post by: Seabass on December 30, 2015, 12:58:48 PM
That is absolutely correct! I have 2 hunting partner's. 1 is a timber warden for the DNR and the other is a lease manager for the DNR. We have had this discussion many times. You CANNOTT operate motorized vehicles off any main road on State land. It's done ALL the time but it's completely illegal. Regardless of where you live city or otherwise.Your right about age being a factor in hiking long distances and I'm not at that age yet but I understand how you see it. I just don't agree with people on ATV's making there own trails just because they can fit between 2 trees. That's crap. There is nothing that can justify that. I still feel that there are more roads to drive and hunt than anyone can cover in an entire hunting season and if that's not enough then what is? A road every 100yds across the forest so you can scan and see everything without having to leave your pickup? Doesn't sound like good habitat to me? :dunno:
FYI : Motorcylces and 4 wheel drive vehicles do ALLOT more damage in the woods than any ATV will. Also, it's perfectly legal to drive anyplace on state land, that is our land and not certain peoples land.
I never said anything about motorcycles, and I don't leave the road in my pickup unless I've been given permission by the landowner.
FYI: It absolutely is not legal to drive anywhere you want on state land. I know plenty about it, my home is surrounded by several section's and it is off limit's to motor vehicles unless you hold a farming or grazing lease on it or have the lessee's permission to access it.
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Post by: Jonathan_S on January 05, 2016, 07:14:24 AM
what gets me is when I meet a 40 year old fat guy driving beyond a gate and I just walked 3,4,or 5 miles and I am 75. I don't hesitate to ask for a ride out. would rather have everyone walk . and no horses. they have ruined several stalks for me. mike w
Sorry to hear that
Post by: LDennis24 on January 05, 2016, 07:41:00 AM
what gets me is when I meet a 40 year old fat guy driving beyond a gate and I just walked 3,4,or 5 miles and I am 75. I don't hesitate to ask for a ride out. would rather have everyone walk . and no horses. they have ruined several stalks for me. mike w
No one has anything else to say after an old man tells them to get out and hike! :chuckle: :dunno:
Post by: krout81 on January 05, 2016, 12:20:12 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 05, 2016, 12:28:34 PM
Gates are awesome, until on the last day of early Archery DNR decides to take 3 vehicles past the gate on a Effing tour at 10am. Stupid DNR really STUPID.
Why is that stupid? It's not the DNR's responsibility to provide hunters with uninterrupted hunting opportunities. I can understand why you might be disappointed with an unexpected interruption to the peace and quiet during your hunt, but don't blame the DNR. Do you also expect Weyerhaeuser to quit logging during hunting season?
Post by: krout81 on January 05, 2016, 01:17:35 PM
Post by: mfswallace on January 05, 2016, 01:25:50 PM
Okanagon and chelan district have put out a bid for 32 gates. Some of you guys might be losing some access to your favorite roads. The majority of them are headed to okanagon.
Any reasons given and roads specified??