Post by: baldopepper on December 28, 2015, 07:34:01 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on December 28, 2015, 07:44:29 AM
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Post by: rtspring on December 28, 2015, 09:25:32 AM
Ive had two buddies with the eco boost, both had issues.
Post by: shocking300 on December 28, 2015, 09:25:57 AM
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Post by: b23 on December 28, 2015, 09:28:46 AM
Freeway driving, actually driving the speed limit or even one or two mph under, makes a HUGE difference in every vehicle I've ever owned and usually 2000 RPM or under is the sweet spot but I'd be lying if I said I always do that because I don't unless I'm trying to see what kind of MPG my vehicle is capable of. I'm usually always 5-10+ over the posted limit and the faster I drive the faster my mileage falls off.
I've got a supercharged 2013 Tacoma and if I drive 69-70mph I can easily get 24-24.5mpg but I usually drive 75+ or ++ and that drops my mileage down to anywhere from 18-19.5 depending on how fast I drive. Used to have an 04 diesel 4dr 4x4 and if I kept the RPM just under 2000 it'd do 20 pretty easy but as the RPM increased the MPG decreased.
Picking between the two, at least for me, I'd probably lean toward the ecoboost simply because I think it would be easier to increase the HP with the 3.5 then it would be with the naturally aspirated V8. I do a far amount of driving at higher elevations and when you go over a pass at 7-9000ft it sure is nice having a "huffy" pumping air into the motor.
Post by: timberfaller on December 28, 2015, 09:55:55 AM
Look at Dodge's Hemi if your going to stick with a gas engine.
My mechanic has the F150 with the 5.0, wishes he would have gotten the 5.4.
Good luck!
Post by: cavemann on December 28, 2015, 09:56:54 AM
Post by: Mossy on December 28, 2015, 10:27:19 AM
Post by: gallion_t on December 28, 2015, 11:11:37 AM
In Layamon terms K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid). Don't add more parts and make things more complicated than it needs to be. Opens up the door for a lot more issues.
Additionally if you decide down the road you need/want more power there's not really a whole lot of room to go up with the eccoboost. The v8 you still have the option of adding the turbo.
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2015, 11:23:05 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2015, 11:25:01 AM
Im in the same boat as you with looking for a new F150 and was originally debating between those two engines. After driving both and looking at the specs I couldn't tell much of a difference. Thats when my engineer thought process really kicked in and I decided on the v8. I look at it as comparing a v8 engineer thats has been around for 40+ years with no major issues vs a newer v6 that has added 2 very expensive turbos to it and working it to the top of its performance ability. Yes, there is a warranty for the motor and turbos, but if you're someone to keep the a truck for a long time then it becomes a very real possibly of having to replace them on your dime.
In Layamon terms K.I.S.S (keep it simple stupid). Don't add more parts and make things more complicated than it needs to be. Opens up the door for a lot more issues.
Additionally if you decide down the road you need/want more power there's not really a whole lot of room to go up with the eccoboost. The v8 you still have the option of adding the turbo.
Lots of performance upgrades available for both in the aftermarket. Not sure why you'd need any, but they are out there.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 28, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
Post by: Mossy on December 28, 2015, 11:29:50 AM
Post by: baldopepper on December 28, 2015, 11:53:58 AM
Post by: Mossy on December 28, 2015, 12:02:18 PM
Post by: baldopepper on December 28, 2015, 12:11:02 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think your 08 is a 5 speed tranny so whichever you decide, the new 6 speed will be a world of difference.You are correct - test driving a 2015 today and already see a big difference. (too many bells and whistles on the new ones for a tech dummy like myself, but guess I can figure them out)
Post by: b23 on December 28, 2015, 12:27:56 PM
I've never been interested in any truck Nissan has but this could change my thinking because IMO a half ton pickup with a good diesel that has some hp and tq is a market area that all the "Bigs" have overlooked for years. Maybe something to think about and take a look at.
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2015, 12:32:29 PM
I know this wasn't one of the choices you listed but if mileage and power is high up on your list maybe take a look at the new 2016 Nissan Titan with the new 5.0 Cummins Diesel 310hp 555tq and MPG in the 20's.
I've never been interested in any truck Nissan has but this could change my thinking because IMO a half ton pickup with a good diesel that has some hp and tq is a market area that all the "Bigs" have overlooked for years. Maybe something to think about and take a look at.
Dodge has had one for a couple years now.
Ram Eco-Diesel.
Post by: thatdamguy on December 28, 2015, 01:04:45 PM
Post by: b23 on December 28, 2015, 01:07:56 PM
I know this wasn't one of the choices you listed but if mileage and power is high up on your list maybe take a look at the new 2016 Nissan Titan with the new 5.0 Cummins Diesel 310hp 555tq and MPG in the 20's.
I've never been interested in any truck Nissan has but this could change my thinking because IMO a half ton pickup with a good diesel that has some hp and tq is a market area that all the "Bigs" have overlooked for years. Maybe something to think about and take a look at.
Dodge has had one for a couple years now.
Ram Eco-Diesel.
They have but that's a much smaller 3.0 V6 diesel built by Fiat, I think, not positive on that. The Ram has a lot less power than the Cummins 5.0 but I believe they get mid to upper 20's for MPG which is pretty good and they are projecting low-mid 20's for the Titan diesel.
Post by: jstone on December 28, 2015, 01:10:55 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2015, 03:09:20 PM
The nissan is new to diesel? Correct? Might wait to see how well it goes.
It was build by Cummins.
Post by: b23 on December 28, 2015, 03:59:46 PM
The nissan is new to diesel? Correct? Might wait to see how well it goes.
It was build by Cummins.
Correct, the motor in the new Titan is a Cummins diesel built by Cummins. Dodge actually had the option to use the same Cummins motor as Nissan is using in the 2016 Titan but they chose to go with their own Fiat diesel instead.
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2015, 04:14:45 PM
The nissan is new to diesel? Correct? Might wait to see how well it goes.
It was build by Cummins.
Correct, the motor in the new Titan is a Cummins diesel built by Cummins. Dodge actually had the option to use the same Cummins motor as Nissan is using in the 2016 Titan but they chose to go with their own Fiat diesel instead.
For what reason I'll never understand. Hopefully they weren't basing that decision off of the reliability and build quality of Fiat's flagship 500 car, because that car is a giant pile. Actually it's a tiny pile.
We were replacing manual transmissions in those buckets with under 1000 miles on them faster than they could supply replacements.
Post by: b23 on December 28, 2015, 09:25:50 PM
The nissan is new to diesel? Correct? Might wait to see how well it goes.
It was build by Cummins.
Correct, the motor in the new Titan is a Cummins diesel built by Cummins. Dodge actually had the option to use the same Cummins motor as Nissan is using in the 2016 Titan but they chose to go with their own Fiat diesel instead.
For what reason I'll never understand. Hopefully they weren't basing that decision off of the reliability and build quality of Fiat's flagship 500 car, because that car is a giant pile. Actually it's a tiny pile.
We were replacing manual transmissions in those buckets with under 1000 miles on them faster than they could supply replacements.
That Fiat V6 diesel they're using in the Ram really isn't a Fiat developed motor but rather a motor developed and made by Motori which is now owned by Fiat.
Ram gassers don't do very well in the MPG department so my guess is they wanted something that would really help out the average MPG across all their motors so the opted for the smaller more economical in house diesel motor like the one they are currently using. I think it's kind of the same reason Ford quit putting the 6.2 in the half tons, it was killing their average because it does so bad on mileage.
Post by: jackelope on December 28, 2015, 09:31:45 PM
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 29, 2015, 12:40:35 AM
We were replacing manual transmissions in those buckets with under 1000 miles on them faster than they could supply replacements.
:yike:
I am not in the service industry, but I'd imagine you'd have to be majorly fubar to massively mess up a box of gears in this late stage of the automotive development game.
Post by: Mossy on January 02, 2016, 12:25:38 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think your 08 is a 5 speed tranny so whichever you decide, the new 6 speed will be a world of difference.You are correct - test driving a 2015 today and already see a big difference. (too many bells and whistles on the new ones for a tech dummy like myself, but guess I can figure them out)
So what did you end up with?
Post by: jackelope on January 02, 2016, 01:19:51 PM
We were replacing manual transmissions in those buckets with under 1000 miles on them faster than they could supply replacements.
:yike:
I am not in the service industry, but I'd imagine you'd have to be majorly fubar to massively mess up a box of gears in this late stage of the automotive development game.
Ya. Our zone rep had authorized us to take transmissions out of vehicles in inventory to put in the broken cars. It was bad.
Post by: baldopepper on January 02, 2016, 03:38:02 PM
Bought the super crew cab with the v-8, obviously haven't put any real miles on it yet, but like what I've seen so far. Run it over to the east side house in a week or two and give it a good test.Correct me if I'm wrong but I think your 08 is a 5 speed tranny so whichever you decide, the new 6 speed will be a world of difference.You are correct - test driving a 2015 today and already see a big difference. (too many bells and whistles on the new ones for a tech dummy like myself, but guess I can figure them out)
So what did you end up with?
Post by: rudysts on January 02, 2016, 04:20:38 PM
I don't think the Eco-diesel has been too popular anyway. Don't see too many of them on the road.That's because they are always in for service a friend of mine has one he had the engine replaced in the first couple months of owning it constantly going in for repair even after the engine replacement.