Post by: badnewskruse on December 29, 2015, 08:56:48 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 29, 2015, 09:01:03 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on December 29, 2015, 09:02:32 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 09:02:37 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 09:07:13 PM
mostly it allows the use of a short action rifle, which can cut back on length, weight, bolt throw.This. Very easy to load for as well. Usually a bit of powder savings as well. I went to one simply for the weight savings. Really the only one that is really a hotrod compared to its long action brothers is the 270wsm.
Post by: badnewskruse on December 29, 2015, 09:11:36 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 09:15:34 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 09:19:07 PM
Post by: badnewskruse on December 29, 2015, 09:25:38 PM
I used to boohoo them a bit but as my needs in a rifle changed, I looked more closely at them. I'm not a large framed guy so I wanted large caliber pop in a more lightweight compact platform. Just made sense to go with a shorty at that point. Glad I did. She jumps a bit but doesn't thump me like a win mag does and downrange performance is more or less on part with their long action kin.ya i just looked a some ballistic charts on google of the 300wsm and a 300 win mag which should have been my initial question on this post because thats more of what i was getting at. i always heard short mags were kind of lobby is why i originally asked on this post but now i realize i just sounded like an idiot lol
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 09:27:06 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 09:28:47 PM
Three main reasons , rifle selectin, slightly faster than a typical wm 100 to 200 fps . And slightly reduced recoil due to more effective powder burn . And I heard short guys like short magsThis is true. :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 09:30:35 PM
300 WSM is faster than the 30/06 and 7mm WSM is faster than the 280 Rem. Just as the 270 WSM is faster than the 270 Win.They are based off of the 300 win mag, 7mm rem mag, and the 270 win
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 09:33:54 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 09:34:20 PM
300 WSM is faster than the 30/06 and 7mm WSM is faster than the 280 Rem. Just as the 270 WSM is faster than the 270 Win.They are based off of the 300 win mag, 7mm rem mag, and the 270 win
Huh?
No they're not based off those at all.
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 09:36:00 PM
300 wsm is faster than a .308 Win too ! :chuckle:
Yes it is, and that's the question that was asked- how a WSM compares to a "standard" cartridge, and specifically he said the 270 WSM and the 270 Win.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 09:39:33 PM
im kinda curious why some people prefer short mags such as a .270wsm over just a regular old .270. Is there any real advantage to having a short mag? ballistics wise?I would assume that standard vs sm would be their standard brother cartridge. 300wm/300wsm, 7rem mag/7wsm etc. I Could be wrong though :dunno:
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 09:40:13 PM
So THAT makes Since Why YOU Compared the 300 and 7mm to a 30/06 and a 280. Lol300 wsm is faster than a .308 Win too ! :chuckle:
Yes it is, and that's the question that was asked- how a WSM compares to a "standard" cartridge, and specifically he said the 270 WSM and the 270 Win.
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 09:42:16 PM
So THAT makes Since Why YOU Compared the 300 and 7mm to a 30/06 and a 280. Lol300 wsm is faster than a .308 Win too ! :chuckle:
Yes it is, and that's the question that was asked- how a WSM compares to a "standard" cartridge, and specifically he said the 270 WSM and the 270 Win.
Yes, that's right. Not sure why that's funny though.
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 09:46:07 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 09:46:47 PM
im kinda curious why some people prefer short mags such as a .270wsm over just a regular old .270. Is there any real advantage to having a short mag? ballistics wise?I would assume that standard vs sm would be their standard brother cartridge. 300wm/300wsm, 7rem mag/7wsm etc. I Could be wrong though :dunno:
I guess we all look at it differently. The 300 WSM falls right between the 30/06 and the 300 Win Mag. I always think of the 300 WSM as just a 30/06 on steroids. It certainly can't match the 300 Win Mag, it just can't. Less powder capacity equals less velocity, regardless of it being less efficient.
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 09:47:14 PM
The wsm was designed mainly for the use in short action rifles they based it off the 404 Jeffery which is a non belted magnum case unlike the wm which uses the 375 belted mag case . They ended up with slightly more speed and accuracy as a byproduct .
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 09:48:29 PM
The wsm was designed mainly for the use in short action rifles they based it off the 404 Jeffery which is a non belted magnum case unlike the wm which uses the 375 belted mag case . They ended up with slightly more speed and accuracy as a byproduct .yep. For the purpose to have a short action chambering made to mirror the performance of the standard belted magnums
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 09:49:12 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 09:50:33 PM
The wsm out performs the 300 wm . Across the board , recoil and speed with inherently more accurate.
Not in velocity unless you're running it at higher pressure.
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 09:53:25 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 09:54:31 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 29, 2015, 09:55:29 PM
They're all orphans with no parent although closely related to the 404 Jeffrey.
Short mags matter.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 09:57:37 PM
I own and shoot several WSMs and their counterparts. I like them. The 300 WSM and the 300 Win Mag are kissing cousins. The 270 WSM beats out the 270 Win. The other WSMs lack significantly in acceptance.:chuckle: they do matter! 270 wsm will be the next firearm purchase I make. I think the wife needs one. Ya that's it, the wife! :chuckle:
They're all orphans with no parent. Winchester started from scratch in developing the cases.
Short mags matter.
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 10:00:37 PM
Post by: Hot Lunch on December 29, 2015, 10:06:48 PM
Post by: cem3434 on December 29, 2015, 10:09:10 PM
The wsm out performs the 300 wm . Across the board , recoil and speed with inherently more accurate.
Not in velocity unless you're running it at higher pressure.
180 grain bullets are virtually the same in both calibers. Less than 180 grain, the wsm kicks the wm butt. Anything over 180 grains, then the wm is slightly better. As Coach suggested, you might want to look at a couple more charts.
Post by: elkaholic123 on December 29, 2015, 10:13:11 PM
Anyone have any load data to share for their 270 wsm?Look at Alliant Reloader 17 on the web for some load info.i was running 62grains behind 130 Accubonds and getting 3250 fps
It is a Flat out killing machine :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 10:21:42 PM
Factory winchester ammo the wsm run approx 100 fps faster with about 150 more fps of ke. Over the 300 wm
Well thanks, that's good to know. Although I have to ask is that from velocities that you chronographed yourself or are you going by Winchester's data?
Another thing to consider is the Win Mag needs a longer barrel than the WSM for best results. So if the numbers given are from equal barrel lengths that's not a fair comparison.
I've always liked the WSM's, just haven't yet felt the need to replace the rifles I already own. But when I do I'll probably get one of the WSMs. Not sure which one, I really like the 7mm but it's the least popular so I'd be better off picking one of the others.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 10:22:14 PM
that's probably one of those rounds that really POP on impact! :yike:Anyone have any load data to share for their 270 wsm?Look at Alliant Reloader 17 on the web for some load info.i was running 62grains behind 130 Accubonds and getting 3250 fps
It is a Flat out killing machine :twocents:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 10:26:11 PM
Post by: Reidus on December 29, 2015, 10:26:27 PM
As for accuracy....even the benchrest guys like them for long range.
I like the 300 wsm but I also think the 7wsm would be great.
I prefer the non-belted cases for reloading.
Also have about 9lbs of re17 I'd be willing to part with. Great powder for the wsm. I just ended up using h4350.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 10:30:32 PM
Post by: Reidus on December 29, 2015, 10:33:13 PM
Another thing to consider is the Win Mag needs a longer barrel than the WSM for best results. So if the numbers given are from equal barrel lengths that's not a fair comparison.
How is it a fair comparison if the wm has a longer barrel?
A longer barrel on either caliber will give more velocity.
Post by: kentrek on December 29, 2015, 10:35:00 PM
Never understood why the 7 never gained traction. All the benefits of a short mag combined with high B.C. bullets should have made for a winner. :dunno:
Easily one of my favorite cartridges....no doubt my next rifle will be in 7 short
Post by: Reidus on December 29, 2015, 10:35:23 PM
Never understood why the 7 never gained traction. All the benefits of a short mag combined with high B.C. bullets should have made for a winner. :dunno::yeah:
A lot of good 7mm bullets! I think this caliber is fairly common in 1000yd benchrest.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 29, 2015, 10:37:45 PM
finding brass would be my only concern but then again I don't really watch for that particular item so maybe it's readily available. I know 300wsm is a pain to track downNever understood why the 7 never gained traction. All the benefits of a short mag combined with high B.C. bullets should have made for a winner. :dunno:
Easily one of my favorite cartridges....no doubt my next rifle will be in 7 short
Post by: bobcat on December 29, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Another thing to consider is the Win Mag needs a longer barrel than the WSM for best results. So if the numbers given are from equal barrel lengths that's not a fair comparison.
How is it a fair comparison if the wm has a longer barrel?
A longer barrel on either caliber will give more velocity.
Just the way I look at it I guess. I've always thought any of the "standard" magnums from 264 Win Mag up to 300 Win Mag should have a 26 inch barrel, while a short mag should be good with a 24 inch. Really who wants a short action rifle with a 26 inch barrel?
This is all really just splitting hairs though. The rifle itself is more important than the cartridge it's chambered in.
Post by: coachcw on December 29, 2015, 10:42:00 PM
Post by: Reidus on December 29, 2015, 10:48:02 PM
Another thing to consider is the Win Mag needs a longer barrel than the WSM for best results. So if the numbers given are from equal barrel lengths that's not a fair comparison.
How is it a fair comparison if the wm has a longer barrel?
A longer barrel on either caliber will give more velocity.
Just the way I look at it I guess. I've always thought any of the "standard" magnums from 264 Win Mag up to 300 Win Mag should have a 26 inch barrel, while a short mag should be good with a 24 inch. Really who wants a short action rifle with a 26 inch barrel?
This is all really just splitting hairs though. The rifle itself is more important than the cartridge it's chambered in.
It seems to me that the wsm also benefits from a longer barrel. I have a savage 116 in 300wsm with 24" barrel and a custom 300wsm with a 26" barrel. I get 80-100 fps more out of the longer tube. Built the gun with a 26" barrel for long range.
I agree on the splitting hairs.....for hunting purposes you save a little weight in a shorter action is about it.
Post by: shootem on December 29, 2015, 10:52:23 PM
finding brass would be my only concern but then again I don't really watch for that particular item so maybe it's readily available. I know 300wsm is a pain to track downNever understood why the 7 never gained traction. All the benefits of a short mag combined with high B.C. bullets should have made for a winner. :dunno:
Easily one of my favorite cartridges....no doubt my next rifle will be in 7 short
I don't reload but save my brass. Next time I see you I'll have some 300 wsm for you to stoke up and kill stuff with. If you want it sooner I can mail it.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 30, 2015, 04:39:36 AM
You are my new hero shootem!!!!! :IBCOOL:finding brass would be my only concern but then again I don't really watch for that particular item so maybe it's readily available. I know 300wsm is a pain to track downNever understood why the 7 never gained traction. All the benefits of a short mag combined with high B.C. bullets should have made for a winner. :dunno:
Easily one of my favorite cartridges....no doubt my next rifle will be in 7 short
I don't reload but save my brass. Next time I see you I'll have some 300 wsm for you to stoke up and kill stuff with. If you want it sooner I can mail it.
Post by: jasnt on December 30, 2015, 07:47:53 AM
Post by: jjhunter on December 30, 2015, 07:58:30 AM
Brass is a real pain. If you build one, chamber in 7-300 wsm. There are a lot more options for attaining quality brass.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 30, 2015, 08:03:40 AM
the shorter powder column thing makes sense in my mind, but i don't really have a dog in this fight. i did just pick up a 1965 remington 700 BDL in .264 in a pawn shop though...
Post by: Biggerhammer on December 30, 2015, 08:28:10 AM
im kinda curious why some people prefer short mags such as a .270wsm over just a regular old .270. Is there any real advantage to having a short mag? ballistics wise?
Seeing the .270 WSM is about 200 fps faster than the .270 Win with the same bullet. Yes there's a huge difference. Speed matter just as much at point blank as it does at 400 yards or beyond. I've killed 3 mule deer with the .270 WSM and Accubonds.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 30, 2015, 09:13:41 AM
i just never got the whole short vs long action thing. people talk about it like it makes a huge difference. wow, you save a whole 1/4 inch of receiver length. yippee.For me it was a no brainer. Magnum performance in a gun that is a full half pound lighter. People boohoo a mere half pound but I tell you what, when your 8 miles into the Idaho wilderness with a full boned out deer AND your camp riding on your back, you're dang glad you're not carrying that extra half pound. Ounces make pounds and pounds make pain.
the shorter powder column thing makes sense in my mind, but i don't really have a dog in this fight. i did just pick up a 1965 remington 700 BDL in .264 in a pawn shop though...
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2015, 09:23:16 AM
Post by: theleo on December 30, 2015, 09:26:07 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2015, 09:34:16 AM
Well that's pretty much exactly what I said in my posts last night in this thread, regarding velocities and barrel length, but I was told I was wrong.
Post by: jasnt on December 30, 2015, 09:58:24 AM
I shoot a 7 wsm. It is a great round with really any bullet combo. I shoot the heavies and it is my go to hunting weapon of choice.i was thinking of necking down the 270wsm for brass
Brass is a real pain. If you build one, chamber in 7-300 wsm. There are a lot more options for attaining quality brass.
Post by: Bob33 on December 30, 2015, 10:02:29 AM
The thing is for me, I don't want a lighter rifle with a magnum cartridge. My rifle is a Browning A bolt in 270 Win and it's the perfect weight, in my opinion. If I were to go to a 270 WSM, I'd only be looking at rifles that weigh more than my A bolt. A lighter rifle, same bullet but at higher velocity, equals more recoil, and that I'm not interested in. So in my opinion, the short action is not really a benefit to going with a short mag. The main reason I like the short mags over the standard magnum cartridges is that they don't have the belt.A WSM can get more velocity out of less powder with a short fat case than a longer, narrower case.
The 300 WSM gets equivalent velocities to a 300 Win Mag with several grains less powder. Less powder, less recoil.
I have a Browning X Bolt in 300 WSM with a very light scope; total weight is a wee bit over 7 pounds. I'm an admitted recoil wimp, and I can shoot it without problems. Even my 14 year old son can shoot it. It's not as punishing as a 300 Win Mag, everything else being equal.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 30, 2015, 10:10:27 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on December 30, 2015, 10:11:30 AM
Joking aside I think it's just another option. And in guns and hunting options are never a bad thing. Wsm will kill as well as any long action cartridge magnum or not.
Post by: theleo on December 30, 2015, 11:32:00 AM
theleo-
Well that's pretty much exactly what I said in my posts last night in this thread, regarding velocities and barrel length, but I was told I was wrong.
I've had internet experts say you can't kill elk with anything less than 300 win mag and the best way to call bulls is to sound like the biggest baddest bull on the block. I have yet to ever own a win mag and have never made bugles more ominous than a 3 year old bull. Yet I've killed bulls with my 280ai and killed them with a bow when they were looking to stomp a younger bull.
Those that say we are wrong about WSM's and their belted counter parts aren't considering burn rates of powders. If you loaded a 300 win mag to the gills with H1000 (a slow burning magnum )to get a little over 3100fps (per nosler) it'll beat a 300 WSM out of a 24" apples to apples. Cut that barrel back to a 20" and you could likely see a velocity loss in the neighborhood of 300fps for the win mag while the 300 WSM would see something along the lines of 200 fps loss because the quicker burning powder it uses gets up to pressure faster. It's a hand loading game but I bet it translates into factory rounds as well because I have a hard time seeing the factories load 300 win mag rounds to work best out of shorter barrels where the WSM's are normally had in shorter lighter rifles.
Post by: coachcw on December 30, 2015, 11:40:08 AM
Post by: yorketransport on December 30, 2015, 05:44:08 PM
My experience with a handful of rifles chambered in both calibers backs this up. There is the "efficiency" argument but in my experience that's always been exaggerated.
Post by: Bob33 on December 30, 2015, 06:08:28 PM
Action length, magazine capacity, availability of ammunition and components and other factors would play a greater role for me. There are advantages to each.
Both are wonderful cartridges, and in no way should one diminish the other. I have a slight preference for the WSM due primarily to the fact it is a shorter action.
Post by: actionshooter on December 30, 2015, 06:23:34 PM
Never could figure out why it didn't make it.
Post by: Curly on December 30, 2015, 06:27:45 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on December 30, 2015, 06:48:06 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 30, 2015, 06:52:24 PM
All of the WSM calibers are great and the difference of weight between the long action and the short action is enough for me.The ballistics between their big brothers and the WSMs are really negligible in the big picture. The 7wsm is , in my opinion one of the best calibers ever made.So what your saying is that very few 7wsm in circulation? :dunno:
Never could figure out why it didn't make it.
Post by: Bigshooter on December 30, 2015, 06:54:28 PM
All of the WSM calibers are great and the difference of weight between the long action and the short action is enough for me.The ballistics between their big brothers and the WSMs are really negligible in the big picture. The 7wsm is , in my opinion one of the best calibers ever made.So what your saying is that very few 7wsm in circulation? :dunno:
Never could figure out why it didn't make it.
I think it's is the lest popular between the original 3.
Post by: actionshooter on December 30, 2015, 07:01:22 PM
All of the WSM calibers are great and the difference of weight between the long action and the short action is enough for me.The ballistics between their big brothers and the WSMs are really negligible in the big picture. The 7wsm is , in my opinion one of the best calibers ever made.So what your saying is that very few 7wsm in circulation? :dunno:
Never could figure out why it didn't make it.
There really aren't, they can be difficult to come by, currently I would bet there are more custom 7WSM built than production models.
Post by: Kittman on December 30, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
Post by: kentrek on December 30, 2015, 08:46:34 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2015, 08:56:38 PM
Post by: Bob33 on December 30, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
Gee, I think you could do everything with the 300 WSM and skip the other two. :chuckle:I like lighter faster calibers for game like antelope, and would prefer to use bigger bullets for brown bear and bison. However, if I could only own one caliber the 300 WSM would be at or near the top of my list.
Post by: Buzz2401 on December 30, 2015, 09:05:55 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2015, 09:21:59 PM
Post by: kentrek on December 30, 2015, 09:27:33 PM
Gee, I think you could do everything with the 300 WSM and skip the other two. :chuckle:
Haha but where is the fun in that ! Currently I'm solid for deer and elk up to 700 yards....but a 7# scoped gun just doesn't make for easy long range shots(400-1000) so that's where a heavy 7 wsm would come in...then what happens if your like BLRman and have your main gun go down and have to resort to s back up ? No 243 for me....358 wsm would be just the ticket...no long range stuff needed just a good old fashion packable rifle with lots of wammy to it if I ever chase moose or grizzly bear
This way is much funner :tup:
Post by: kentrek on December 30, 2015, 09:31:59 PM
I'd love to have an 8 pound 300 WSM with a 26 inch barrel set up for long range shooting. (Long range to me is 600 yards)
600 is a long ways!! Esp hunting
Post by: mountainman on December 30, 2015, 09:52:20 PM
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2015, 09:57:16 PM
I'd love to have an 8 pound 300 WSM with a 26 inch barrel set up for long range shooting. (Long range to me is 600 yards)
600 is a long ways!! Esp hunting
I agree. 600 would most likely only be target shooting. But if the rifle is capable and the conditions ideal, it would be nice to be able to shoot that far in a hunting situation if absolutely necessary. Of course I could do that with my 270 and 30/06 with the right optics and enough practice.
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2015, 10:00:31 PM
Post by: kentrek on December 30, 2015, 10:31:42 PM
to shoot that far in a hunting situation if absolutely necessary.
"Absolutely necessary" is a ever changing definition lol its really hard to say no once you have confidence....i passed up a 600 yard shot this year and closed the distance to 400...i lost sight of the bulls for a good ten minutes...you wana talk about pure panic ? I was so mad myself...i then got delayed even more with some spikers..when I finally found them again at 520...let's just say it was absolutely necessary to take the shot ;)
Post by: mountainman on December 30, 2015, 10:51:42 PM
"1885 Winchester "? Chambered in what? 300 WSM?oops! 270 WSM.
Post by: bobcat on December 30, 2015, 10:52:21 PM
"1885 Winchester "? Chambered in what? 300 WSM?oops! 270 WSM.
Well that's certainly different.
Post by: mountainman on December 30, 2015, 10:53:04 PM
Post by: grundy53 on December 31, 2015, 01:17:13 AM
Gee, I think you could do everything with the 300 WSM and skip the other two. :chuckle:True. But why limit yourself? Variety is the spice of life. :chuckle:
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Post by: RadSav on December 31, 2015, 01:38:16 AM
Post by: theleo on December 31, 2015, 07:11:09 AM
My 1885 Winchester in 270 WSM and handloads bests the Weatherby version. That is in a 28" rather then a 26" tube though. Accuracy..impressive!Don't forget it beats the Weatherby's in class too!
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 31, 2015, 07:32:36 AM
Post by: kentrek on December 31, 2015, 07:40:36 AM
Isn't knock down power better than speed ? The end result is what would matter most, right ?
It's kind of the two theories of killing....a big slow bullet that blows apart...or a small fast bullet that holds together
People have had pretty good luck with a super fast tsx
Post by: RadSav on December 31, 2015, 07:52:09 AM
Post by: coachcw on December 31, 2015, 07:53:58 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 31, 2015, 08:46:43 AM
don't be knocking the .243 now! She may look cute and innocent but she can be nasty! :chuckle:Gee, I think you could do everything with the 300 WSM and skip the other two. :chuckle:
Haha but where is the fun in that ! Currently I'm solid for deer and elk up to 700 yards....but a 7# scoped gun just doesn't make for easy long range shots(400-1000) so that's where a heavy 7 wsm would come in...then what happens if your like BLRman and have your main gun go down and have to resort to s back up ? No 243 for me....358 wsm would be just the ticket...no long range stuff needed just a good old fashion packable rifle with lots of wammy to it if I ever chase moose or grizzly bear
This way is much funner :tup:
Post by: bobcat on December 31, 2015, 08:49:23 AM
Isn't knock down power better than speed ? The end result is what would matter most, right ?
No such thing as knock down power, unless you hunt with bowling balls.
Post by: bobcat on December 31, 2015, 08:52:47 AM
I've been playing with a 110 grain Barnes TTSX in the 270WSM. Wholly cow is it fun! Just might become my new varmint/MS deer/bear gun and maybe even MS elk gun. And recoil deduction is crazy even with the insane speeds. Wife has plans on steeling it from me so I might have to by a second one :chuckle:
That bullet does intrigue me. I might try some in my standard 270 Win, not even at max speeds, but somewhere in the middle, for the wife and kids to try.
Post by: Curly on December 31, 2015, 08:57:59 AM
Post by: Bob33 on December 31, 2015, 09:01:24 AM
That combination is a screamer. I used it a couple times on antelope with excellent results.I've been playing with a 110 grain Barnes TTSX in the 270WSM. Wholly cow is it fun! Just might become my new varmint/MS deer/bear gun and maybe even MS elk gun. And recoil deduction is crazy even with the insane speeds. Wife has plans on steeling it from me so I might have to by a second one :chuckle:
That bullet does intrigue me. I might try some in my standard 270 Win, not even at max speeds, but somewhere in the middle, for the wife and kids to try.
Post by: kentrek on December 31, 2015, 09:03:05 AM
don't be knocking the .243 now! She may look cute and innocent but she can be nasty! :chuckle:Gee, I think you could do everything with the 300 WSM and skip the other two. :chuckle:
Haha but where is the fun in that ! Currently I'm solid for deer and elk up to 700 yards....but a 7# scoped gun just doesn't make for easy long range shots(400-1000) so that's where a heavy 7 wsm would come in...then what happens if your like BLRman and have your main gun go down and have to resort to s back up ? No 243 for me....358 wsm would be just the ticket...no long range stuff needed just a good old fashion packable rifle with lots of wammy to it if I ever chase moose or grizzly bear
This way is much funner :tup:
We're elk, moose, and grizzly hunting here.....no room for the unethical pee shooters :chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 31, 2015, 09:04:51 AM
Post by: bobcat on December 31, 2015, 09:08:09 AM
Post by: kentrek on December 31, 2015, 09:14:00 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 31, 2015, 09:59:34 AM
Call me boring but Id like my adventure to stop...or should i say drop in its tracks.. when I pull the trigger....instead of continuing on for a day or two :peep: :chuckle:uh hello!! eye ball shot!!!!! 8)
Post by: RadSav on December 31, 2015, 10:07:41 AM
I've been playing with a 110 grain Barnes TTSX in the 270WSM. Wholly cow is it fun! Just might become my new varmint/MS deer/bear gun and maybe even MS elk gun. And recoil deduction is crazy even with the insane speeds. Wife has plans on steeling it from me so I might have to by a second one :chuckle:
That bullet does intrigue me. I might try some in my standard 270 Win, not even at max speeds, but somewhere in the middle, for the wife and kids to try.
Try it full bore screamer first. I was shocked at how tame it was. It was darn near 243ish with the 95 grain at 3600, but I couldn't get it to group better than 1.25". Think the better seating of the 110 or maybe twist rate better suited to 3500 made the groups snap :dunno: I stopped playing after 5 loads all proved to be less than .750" out of the plastic Sako.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on December 31, 2015, 10:27:10 AM
Isn't knock down power better than speed ? The end result is what would matter most, right ?
No such thing as knock down power, unless you hunt with bowling balls.
That's what I was getting at...kinetic energy then....
Post by: theleo on December 31, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
Use the TTSX's for hunting, use Hornady V-max's in the same weight for varmints. They're a lot cheaper and a whole lot more entertaining on things like rock chuck's.I've been playing with a 110 grain Barnes TTSX in the 270WSM. Wholly cow is it fun! Just might become my new varmint/MS deer/bear gun and maybe even MS elk gun. And recoil deduction is crazy even with the insane speeds. Wife has plans on steeling it from me so I might have to by a second one :chuckle:
That bullet does intrigue me. I might try some in my standard 270 Win, not even at max speeds, but somewhere in the middle, for the wife and kids to try.
Try it full bore screamer first. I was shocked at how tame it was. It was darn near 243ish with the 95 grain at 3600, but I couldn't get it to group better than 1.25". Think the better seating of the 110 or maybe twist rate better suited to 3500 made the groups snap :dunno: I stopped playing after 5 loads all proved to be less than .750" out of the plastic Sako.
Post by: cem3434 on December 31, 2015, 01:08:15 PM
The .243WSSM would be a really sweet little cartridge............if it wasn't already obsolete. There was a nice rifle in the classifieds a while back that looked like a great deal until I looked around for brass or ammo and basically found nothing. Frustrating that components are so hard to find these days.:bash: As stated earlier in this thread, the 7wsm is also getting hard to find.
This is a great deer and varmint caliber and I don't know why the WSSM's didn't grab hold like their bigger cousins. My wife hunts with a 243 WSSM and it is an absolute mule deer slayer. I was lucky enough to find another member that sold me a couple hundred rounds of virgin brass, plus we have a couple hundred once fired brass and she still has about 200 factory rounds, so its just one more caliber I had to buy dies for. I feel bad for the guys that don't have the ability to reload, brass, etc that ended up buying a WSSM because the guns are not worth much without having ammo, brass, dies, etc to reload.