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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: Ricochet on January 24, 2009, 09:31:16 PM

Title: What does he score?
Post by: Ricochet on January 24, 2009, 09:31:16 PM: I'm not much into scoring antlers, to me its either big or it isn't. But every time I show a pic of this bull I get asked "Whats he score?" So I thought I'd give you all a chance to compare guesses. Oh, yeah, one last thing, he's a roosevelt elk. What's your guess?

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Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: Slider on January 24, 2009, 09:37:19 PM: Thats a tough one. I don't think he is as big as he looks? 360
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Post by: catwithboost on January 24, 2009, 09:37:45 PM: I would guess some were around! HOLY *censored* :drool:
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Post by: M_ray on January 24, 2009, 09:43:18 PM: The width is not clear to me but I come up with 367 gross at 45" for a spread credit.
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: Ricochet on January 24, 2009, 09:55:32 PM: Here's a frontal shot. It was taken later in the rut, after the herd bull had snapped off the sword tine on his driver's side. :'(

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Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: M_ray on January 24, 2009, 10:03:44 PM: Quote
after the herd bull had snapped off the sword tine on his driver's side.

You mean there is a bigger one in there? Wow :o
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: whacker1 on January 24, 2009, 10:21:11 PM: 365
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Post by: FANATIC on January 24, 2009, 10:28:32 PM: lets see...12...32... :archer:
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Post by: jackelope on January 24, 2009, 10:34:15 PM: refuge bull, right? i'll give him 372 gross...
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Post by: M_ray on January 24, 2009, 10:38:36 PM: After seeing the frontal he probably gets more for spread than I gave him!
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 24, 2009, 11:28:34 PM: I'd say 370-ish. closer to 380 if he had longer fronts.
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: bucklucky on January 24, 2009, 11:31:03 PM: Sorry but you guys are way off. He will gross 386. Here is why. He has alot of extras that add up huge.
   R L
Main beams: 48 48
G1 16 14
G2 16 14
g3 15 13
G4 18 19
G5 17 16
G6 0 4
H1 7 7
H2 6 6
H3 6 6
H4 6 6
Total 155 153
Extras 18 14
   4 4
Total 177 171
Inside spread 38

   177 + 171 + 38= 386 conservatively I think the backs are longer than that.

386 + Gross
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: bucklucky on January 24, 2009, 11:33:16 PM: Mark, he has what you call excesive flair on the main beams so it would be a judgement call on the measurement and would more than likely be between the swords to the g5s where it would get the spread credit.
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: M_ray on January 25, 2009, 12:03:29 AM: This is funny cause I was redoing the measurements while you posted and I came up with almost the exact same as that on everything but a couple of the mass measurements and a little more than you on inside spread and came up with a final of
390! I about crapped!!!! That's one monster of a bull!!! You know though that on first glance I am very conservitive on score's! :)
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: bucklucky on January 25, 2009, 12:09:47 AM: I was conservative on the back on him, I see I did cut the left g5 short. Hes going to gross right about 395 I think. I may have went a little long on the front 4 but man waht a bull.
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: M_ray on January 25, 2009, 12:14:41 AM: Yeah my scores compared were a little shorter on the front and longer on the back ... the first time I did it after my gut guess was 405!!!! and then I redid it thinking I was way off ... but after looking maybe I wasn't all that far off afterall! :dunno:
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: 1bowhunter1 on January 25, 2009, 01:36:40 AM: Forget the score!!! I stocked up the BBQ Lets eat as the TAXI. Is working on my new WALL MOUNT!!! He is a very cool looking bull.....Mass additude!! That Bull would be my Trophy of a life time.
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Post by: yelp on January 25, 2009, 07:17:46 AM: 348
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Post by: 280ackley on January 25, 2009, 07:58:34 AM: That's a great bull. Big Roosevelt's sure show better then there cousins.
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Post by: bow4elk on January 25, 2009, 03:38:03 PM: He falls firmly in the "shooter" category...
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 25, 2009, 10:47:48 PM: I'll take your word for it bucklucky, you have a lot more experience than me. I didn't think his G1/G2s were that long. Was I underestimating because it is a roosy and they have bigger bodies/heads than I am used to?
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: M_ray on January 25, 2009, 11:56:09 PM: Quote from: bow4elk on January 25, 2009, 03:38:03 PM
He falls firmly in the "shooter" category...

So from a pro's perspective are we way off or what?
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: bow4elk on January 26, 2009, 12:28:03 AM: Well on Roosevelt Elk you get to count all the "crown" points as inches - there is no deduction for them. That bull has really long crown points. I admit to be better at gut feel judging than doing what Bucklucky did add attempt to add them up. Looking over his numbers, I'd say he's pretty close though. Shorter main beams, but solid everywhere else. Average mass but he more than makes up for it in tine length. He busted off his G4 on the left side at some point. As he is in the first photo, I'd guess he is in the 365 class. Photos can be difficult to judge accurately. I recently scored a gorgeous 7x7 Roosevelt that grossed 305 and netted 296". Bull of a lifetime for anyone. Like I always say, a 300" bull is a very nice bull and most people over estimate elk on the hoof.
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: M_ray on January 26, 2009, 01:39:14 AM: So I am not far off with my original gut feeling of 367! When ever I start trying to calculate the numbers down on paper it seems I just confuse things more I usally go with the first gut feeling by just looking at it and compareing it to a known score of something I've seen in the past.
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: groundhog on January 26, 2009, 02:51:33 PM: My first thought was 380 to 390. I think Bucklucky is real close. I think his fifths are more like 19 and 18. I would say that he will gross over 390. Most people over judge bulls on the hoof with the exception of really big bulls. Big bulls get bigger when they hit the ground. This guy is really big. No ground shrinkage here.
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: bucklucky on January 26, 2009, 06:12:49 PM: Quote from: groundhog on January 26, 2009, 02:51:33 PM
My first thought was 380 to 390. I think Bucklucky is real close. I think his fifths are more like 19 and 18. I would say that he will gross over 390. Most people over judge bulls on the hoof with the exception of really big bulls. Big bulls get bigger when they hit the ground. This guy is really big. No ground shrinkage here.

I think they are closer to 18 and 19 also.
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: bucklucky on January 26, 2009, 06:15:21 PM: Oh ya, Tom, I had to write the measurements down so you guys could see what I thought in my head was about a 390 bull gross. That was gutt. Put the measurements up to prove to myself what I thought gutt was pretty close.
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: fc2038 on January 26, 2009, 06:57:54 PM: I will put him in the 375 gross. Wow that is a great lookin bull!!!!!!
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Post by: ron9909 on January 27, 2009, 02:33:41 PM: I would shoot that bull, put the meat in the freezer get the real score on him and hang him on the wall and sit and stare at it and go wow!!!!! :drool: Nice bull
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Post by: zackmioli on January 27, 2009, 04:08:34 PM: who cares about the score!? that is one helluva bull!
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: M_ray on January 27, 2009, 06:29:25 PM: Quote from: zackmioli on January 27, 2009, 04:08:34 PM
who cares about the score!? that is one helluva bull!

He asked what we thought!!! :dunno: And yes that is one helluva bull! :)
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 27, 2009, 08:00:39 PM: Yeah, that's why it's in the title of the thread... :)

I like football for the sake of the game too... but it's still nice to know the score :chuckle:
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: TeacherMan on January 27, 2009, 08:04:30 PM: Score = shooter, its as simple as that :chuckle:
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: bucklucky on January 27, 2009, 08:05:45 PM: Question, would you shoot him with the broken kicker or pass??
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 27, 2009, 08:44:26 PM: Anybody who would not shoot that bull is a heck of a lot more elk hunter than me... :yike: I hunt with a guy who ate his Dayton Archery Tag a couple of years ago because he kept passing on 6X6's that were under 350, and I KNOW he would shoot that bull without a thought...
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: Moose Eyes on January 27, 2009, 08:52:35 PM: I have no experience here so hat's off to you guys who are posting numbers. Do you guys who are posting specific tine numbers usually calculate pretty good estimates from a photo? If you are then I think that is incredible! But I guess a guide needs to do the same in the field so it can certainly be done. I would have no clue though!
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: M_ray on January 27, 2009, 09:52:54 PM: I'd still shoot him broken!!! he's got WOW factor!!!! :)
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 28, 2009, 04:20:08 PM: Shoot him "broken"...? Hell, I'd shoot him "shed"...! :hunter:
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Post by: heavy hauler on January 28, 2009, 06:49:06 PM: i would shoot him then measure and score.alot easier that way.or just bring him to bucklucky ;)
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: alecvg on January 29, 2009, 04:17:54 PM: Quote from: Slider on January 24, 2009, 09:37:19 PM
Thats a tough one. I don't think he is as big as he looks? 360
:yike: :yeah:
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: bucklucky on January 29, 2009, 07:06:37 PM: Tine length adds up quick, trust me ;)

I would shoo thim broken and then fix that tine!
Title: Re: What does he score?
Post by: WonkyWapiti on January 29, 2009, 11:24:58 PM: Ricochet, I think everyone is totally wrong. I'd be perfectly willing to take some time out of my busy day and conduct an indepth field examination. Just PM me GPS coordinates of everywhere you have sighted this little beast and I will get back to ya. Infact, I would be willing to clear up an entire two weeks of my busy schedule in September to assist you in this endeavor. :chuckle: :IBCOOL: