Post by: lamrith on January 12, 2016, 10:50:38 AM
http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=2374&year=2015
Concerning a statewide ammunition fee to fund local public safety.
Quote
...There is levied and collected a fee upon the retail sale of all ammunition in an amount equal to five cents per round of ammunition. The fee imposed under this section must be paid by the buyer to the seller. Each seller must collect from the buyer the full amount of the fee in respect to each retail sale of ammunition. The fee collected from the buyer by the seller must be paid to the department of revenue in accordance with RCW 82.32.045....
Post by: Dan-o on January 12, 2016, 11:06:27 AM
"the power to tax involves the power to destroy," Chief Justice John Marshall
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 12, 2016, 11:06:33 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on January 12, 2016, 11:07:00 AM
Something to think about, maybe the Bill for the assault weapons ban is being thrown out in everyone's faces as a distraction.
Get everyone stirred-up and focused on it and slide this through under the radar!
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 12, 2016, 11:07:27 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on January 12, 2016, 11:11:17 AM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on January 12, 2016, 11:12:30 AM
I am all for more funding for public safety, but gun owners shouldn't have to be the ones to pay for it.
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 12, 2016, 11:22:42 AM
Paul Harris
Lynda Wilson
Don Benton
I spoke to each office on the phone this AM
:tup:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 12, 2016, 11:26:17 AM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 12, 2016, 11:26:30 AM
These posts should be under Outdoor advocacy and agencies. That's where gun rights is categorized.True, but there is no hunting without guns (for the most part), and public lands are soon to not exist without a continued fight. Hunting like any form of self reliance is a target also.
Unfortunately these issues are relevant.
Truth those pushing the ammo tax would consider this forum a terrorist threat full of bitter clingers.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on January 12, 2016, 11:33:26 AM
These posts should be under Outdoor advocacy and agencies. That's where gun rights is categorized.True, but there is no hunting without guns (for the most part), and public lands are soon to not exist without a continued fight. Hunting like any form of self reliance is a target also.
Unfortunately these issues are relevant.
Truth those pushing the ammo tax would consider this forum a terrorist threat full of bitter clingers.
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I wasn't making a political statement, Craig, although as you know, I'm quite opposed to both gun control initiatives. I'm simply stating a fact that Gun Rights is listed under Outdoor Advocacy and Agencies.
Post by: tritt007 on January 12, 2016, 11:36:21 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 12, 2016, 11:38:59 AM
Post by: Oh Mah on January 12, 2016, 11:43:53 AM
Post by: Ice Cap on January 12, 2016, 11:45:42 AM
.05 per primer
.05 per case
.05 for powder
.20 additional per round if you reload!
Post by: cowboycraig on January 12, 2016, 11:50:22 AM
Push legislation to put a bicycle tax statewide and bicycle licensing and divert their attention back to where it belongs.
To see a bunch of metro-sexual dudes with shaved legs (more aerodynamic when cycling) protesting a bicycle tax would be such a treat.
Post by: cowboycraig on January 12, 2016, 11:52:46 AM
How does one even comment on legislation like this? I am sending an email now, but to even dignify this garbage with a "Why" seems hard.
Just find myself writing "Please Oppose this garbage" and leaving it at that.
If anyhow has a good letter they wrote on this please share.
Post by: lamrith on January 12, 2016, 12:13:04 PM
I also I knew it would get more viewership. Simple fact is there are many hunters that could give a rats backside about overall gun rights as long as their specific format is not affected (bolt guns, muzzy, archery). I have heard from enough of them that they do not even bother looking at gun law section so I wanted to make sure people realize this hits everyone...
Post by: cowboycraig on January 12, 2016, 12:23:06 PM
Cut and Paste email template below
To:
jan.angel@leg.wa.gov; sherry.appleton@leg.wa.gov; barbara.bailey@leg.wa.gov; michael.baumgartner@leg.wa.gov; randi.becker@leg.wa.gov; don.benton@leg.wa.gov; steve.bergquist@leg.wa.gov; andy.billig@leg.wa.gov; brian.blake@leg.wa.gov; john.braun@leg.wa.gov; sharon.brown@leg.wa.gov; vincent.buys@leg.wa.gov; michelle.caldier@leg.wa.gov; reuven.carlyle@leg.wa.gov; bruce.chandler@leg.wa.gov; maralyn.chase@leg.wa.gov; frank.chopp@leg.wa.gov; annette.cleveland@leg.wa.gov; judy.clibborn@leg.wa.gov; eileen.cody@leg.wa.gov; cary.condotta@leg.wa.gov; steve.conway@leg.wa.gov; bruce.dammeier@leg.wa.gov; brian.dansel@leg.wa.gov; j.darneille@leg.wa.gov; richard.debolt@leg.wa.gov; tom.dent@leg.wa.gov; hans.dunshee@leg.wa.gov; mary.dye@leg.wa.gov; doug.ericksen@leg.wa.gov; joe.fain@leg.wa.gov; jessyn.farrell@leg.wa.gov; jake.fey@leg.wa.gov; joe.fitzgibbon@leg.wa.gov; karen.fraser@leg.wa.gov; david.frockt@leg.wa.gov; roger.goodman@leg.wa.gov; mia.gregerson@leg.wa.gov; dan.griffey@leg.wa.gov; cyrus.habib@leg.wa.gov; larry.haler@leg.wa.gov; drew.hansen@leg.wa.gov; jim.hargrove@leg.wa.gov; mark.hargrove@leg.wa.gov; mark.harmsworth@leg.wa.gov; paul.harris@leg.wa.gov; bob.hasegawa@leg.wa.gov; brad.hawkins@leg.wa.gov; dave.hayes@leg.wa.gov; mike.hewitt@leg.wa.gov; andy.hill@leg.wa.gov; steve.hobbs@leg.wa.gov; jeff.holy@leg.wa.gov; jim.honeyford@leg.wa.gov; zack.hudgins@leg.wa.gov; graham.hunt@leg.wa.gov; sam.hunt@leg.wa.gov; christopher.hurst@leg.wa.gov; pramila.jayapal@leg.wa.gov; laurie.jinkins@leg.wa.gov; norm.johnson@leg.wa.gov; ruth.kagi@leg.wa.gov; karen.keiser@leg.wa.gov; christine.kilduff@leg.wa.gov; curtis.king@leg.wa.gov; steve.kirby@leg.wa.gov; brad.klippert@leg.wa.gov; linda.kochmar@leg.wa.gov; joel.kretz@leg.wa.gov; dan.kristiansen@leg.wa.gov; kuderer.patty@leg.wa.gov; marko.liias@leg.wa.gov; steve.litzow@leg.wa.gov; kristine.lytton@leg.wa.gov; drew.macewen@leg.wa.gov; chad.magendanz@leg.wa.gov; matt.manweller@leg.wa.gov; rosemary.mcauliffe@leg.wa.gov; joan.mcbride@leg.wa.gov; gina.mccabe@leg.wa.gov; bob.mccaslin@leg.wa.gov; john.mccoy@leg.wa.gov; mark.miloscia@leg.wa.gov; jim.moeller@leg.wa.gov; jeff.morris@leg.wa.gov; luis.moscoso@leg.wa.gov; mark.mullet@leg.wa.gov; dick.muri@leg.wa.gov; terry.nealey@leg.wa.gov; sharon.nelson@leg.wa.gov; steve.o’ban@leg.wa.gov; ed.orcutt@leg.wa.gov; timm.ormsby@leg.wa.gov; lillian.ortiz-self@leg.wa.gov; tina.orwall@leg.wa.gov; mike.padden@leg.wa.gov; kevin.parker@leg.wa.gov; linda.parlette@leg.wa.gov; kirk.pearson@leg.wa.gov; jamie.pedersen@leg.wa.gov; ; strom.peterson@leg.wa.gov; eric.pettigrew@leg.wa.gov; liz.pike@leg.wa.gov; gerry.pollet@leg.wa.gov; kevin.ranker@leg.wa.gov; chris.reykdal@leg.wa.gov; marcus.riccelli@leg.wa.gov; ann.rivers@leg.wa.gov; pam.roach@leg.wa.gov; june.robinson@leg.wa.gov; jay.rodne@leg.wa.gov; christine.rolfes@leg.wa.gov; cindy.ryu@leg.wa.gov; sharontomiko.santos@leg.wa.gov; david.sawyer@leg.wa.gov; joe.schmick@leg.wa.gov; mark.schoesler@leg.wa.gov; elizabeth.scott@leg.wa.gov; mike.sells@leg.wa.gov; ; tana.senn@leg.wa.gov; matt.shea@leg.wa.gov; timothy.sheldon@leg.wa.gov; shelly.short@leg.wa.gov; norma.smith@leg.wa.gov; larry.springer@leg.wa.gov; melanie.stambaugh@leg.wa.gov; derek.stanford@leg.wa.gov; drew.stokesbary@leg.wa.gov; pat.sullivan@leg.wa.gov; dean.takko@leg.wa.gov; gael.tarleton@leg.wa.gov; david.taylor@leg.wa.gov; steve.tharinger@leg.wa.gov; kevin.vandewege@leg.wa.gov; luanne.vanwerven@leg.wa.gov; brandon.vick@leg.wa.gov; brady.walkinshaw@leg.wa.gov; maureen.walsh@leg.wa.gov; judy.warnick@leg.wa.gov; jt.wilcox@leg.wa.gov; lynda.wilson@leg.wa.gov; sharon.wylie@leg.wa.gov; jesse.young@leg.wa.gov; hans.zeiger@leg.wa.gov
Subject:
Please Oppose Washington State Ammo tax HB2374
Body:
Please Oppose Washington State Ammo tax HB2374.
Post by: kirkl on January 12, 2016, 12:24:16 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 12, 2016, 12:47:29 PM
I understand, didn't mean to sound snarky :)These posts should be under Outdoor advocacy and agencies. That's where gun rights is categorized.True, but there is no hunting without guns (for the most part), and public lands are soon to not exist without a continued fight. Hunting like any form of self reliance is a target also.
Unfortunately these issues are relevant.
Truth those pushing the ammo tax would consider this forum a terrorist threat full of bitter clingers.
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I wasn't making a political statement, Craig, although as you know, I'm quite opposed to both gun control initiatives. I'm simply stating a fact that Gun Rights is listed under Outdoor Advocacy and Agencies.
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Post by: Antlershed on January 12, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 12, 2016, 12:53:41 PM
Post by: TechSupportHunter on January 12, 2016, 01:00:00 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 12, 2016, 01:03:35 PM
Post by: CP on January 12, 2016, 01:04:45 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 12, 2016, 01:06:43 PM
It's a total joke- literally.
Post by: CP on January 12, 2016, 01:11:27 PM
http://housedemocrats.wa.gov/legislators/Tana-Senn/
1/13/2016 Update:
It now has several sponsors:
Representatives Senn, Kagi, Appleton, Walkinshaw, McBride, Peterson, Pollet, Farrell
Post by: Wacenturion on January 12, 2016, 01:16:34 PM
Post by: CP on January 12, 2016, 01:20:27 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on January 12, 2016, 01:44:21 PM
.......... I do not support 2374. Norm Johnson
Post by: lastmk8 on January 12, 2016, 01:56:23 PM
I strongly urge you to oppose HB2374, Statewide Ammunition Fee. This proposal is another in the long line of attacks on law abiding citizens through legislative action. This bills sole purpose is finding another avenue into the pockets of responsible citizens to further advance the agenda of those who dream up this irresponsible legislation. In reading the HB2374, it will do nothing to further understand or curb gun violence. In fact it will require additional government employees to regulate provisions of this bill, including the collection, cataloging, storing and assimilation of data required to dole out the revenue collected by this irresponsible legislation. Many of the programs to be funded have no direct or indirect link to gun violence, ownership or use. Jumping on the bandwagon and playing on the backside of the emotional strain from recent and unfortunate shootings, this bill does nothing to identify, understand and take action against what the real problem is, CRIMINALS. Criminals do not follow the law, the will not follow the current or any subsequent laws and they will commit additional crimes to ensure they do neither of the above, hence the “earned title of Criminal”. The time and effort wasted writing and sponsoring this purposeless bill would be better spent working on real problems of Washington, maybe figuring out how and WHY criminals are released from prisons early. Another example of not addressing the real problem.
Sincerely,
Post by: Oh Mah on January 12, 2016, 02:04:07 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 12, 2016, 03:20:34 PM
We should compile a list of how all our representatives stand on this. It will be useful come election time.
I believe you can get a roll call on every vote.
Post by: cowboycraig on January 12, 2016, 03:33:24 PM
Commented from the page of the irresponsible official that penned this garbage, will send to all later today....I see nothing wrong with cut and pasting this myself and emailing. Might fix a typo first :)
I strongly urge you to oppose HB2374, Statewide Ammunition Fee. This proposal is another in the long line of attacks on law abiding citizens through legislative action. This bills sole purpose is finding another avenue into the pockets of responsible citizens to further advance the agenda of those who dream up this irresponsible legislation. In reading the HB2374, it will do nothing to further understand or curb gun violence. In fact it will require additional government employees to regulate provisions of this bill, including the collection, cataloging, storing and assimilation of data required to dole out the revenue collected by this irresponsible legislation. Many of the programs to be funded have no direct or indirect link to gun violence, ownership or use. Jumping on the bandwagon and playing on the backside of the emotional strain from recent and unfortunate shootings, this bill does nothing to identify, understand and take action against what the real problem is, CRIMINALS. Criminals do not follow the law, the will not follow the current or any subsequent laws and they will commit additional crimes to ensure they do neither of the above, hence the “earned title of Criminal”. The time and effort wasted writing and sponsoring this purposeless bill would be better spent working on real problems of Washington, maybe figuring out how and WHY criminals are released from prisons early. Another example of not addressing the real problem.
Sincerely,
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Post by: lastmk8 on January 12, 2016, 05:38:12 PM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on January 12, 2016, 05:45:57 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 12, 2016, 05:51:59 PM
This is why you can not find ammo ..these TWEEKERS like stirring up crap ... Guess I will head to the store again and stock up again ...GRRRR...I have never stopped stocking up. Ammo is equal to gold and silver.
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Post by: RELV on January 12, 2016, 06:00:55 PM
Maybe a tax on bicycles that are adult sized and sold in King County.
And a bill to relocate Roosevelt Elk and wolves to Mercer Island.
Post by: Jaques Bonet on January 12, 2016, 06:01:28 PM
Post by: timberfaller on January 12, 2016, 08:27:14 PM
Not really, he is his own idiot! There is a reason Why the Democrats of Okanogan County voted him out of office after his first term!
He campaigned on "I'll vote for no gun control bills no matter what the DNC says". Along came the Brady Bill, guess what he did in ALL the votes?? Yep YES every time. Office phones rang 3 to 1 to vote NO. Kinda like Hitlery getting fired by the Democrats during Watergate!!
Post by: bobcat on January 12, 2016, 08:48:06 PM
Post by: Lincoln4 on January 12, 2016, 08:55:47 PM
It's likely that neither bill is going anywhere, but better safe than sorry...
Post by: lokidog on January 12, 2016, 09:01:57 PM
Okay, well I'd say they have more writing to do. It's totally unclear as to what exactly is being taxed.
I read the reloading part very clearly on first reading the bill and included that as part of my objection.
Post by: CP on January 13, 2016, 07:12:06 AM
Hey guys, make sure you're not just jackin' your jaw here in the forums. Click on the link in the OP and then click on comment. It's simple and quick. Click "Oppose" and then leave comments if you want. Then find the "Assault Weapon" ban bill and do the same thing.
It's likely that neither bill is going anywhere, but better safe than sorry...
:yeah:
In addition, email you thoughts directly to the house and senate members and ask for a response.
Post by: lamrith on January 13, 2016, 07:13:20 AM
Post by: CP on January 13, 2016, 07:18:29 AM
Based on a report I heard on another forum this might be dead already, but keep up the pressure.
It's not dead, HB 2374 has been referred to the Judiciary Committee and does not yet have a public hearing scheduled.
Post by: huntnphool on January 13, 2016, 07:39:20 AM
Post by: magnanimous_j on January 13, 2016, 08:06:07 AM
I email all of them. Figure why not let them all know, they all represent WA (sort of).
Cut and Paste email template below
I cut an pasted all those email addresses and they all failed to send except one. I got this error: "Technical details of permanent failure:
local-part of envelope contains utf8 but remote server did not offer SMTPUTF8"
Has anyone ever seen this before?
Post by: CP on January 13, 2016, 08:08:09 AM
tana.senn@leg.wa.gov; ruth.kagi@leg.wa.gov; sherry.appleton@leg.wa.gov; brady.walkinshaw@leg.wa.gov; joan.mcbride@leg.wa.gov; ; strom.peterson@leg.wa.gov; gerry.pollet@leg.wa.gov; ; jessyn.farrell@leg.wa.gov
Post by: CP on January 13, 2016, 08:09:12 AM
I email all of them. Figure why not let them all know, they all represent WA (sort of).
Cut and Paste email template below
I cut an pasted all those email addresses and they all failed to send except one. I got this error: "Technical details of permanent failure:
local-part of envelope contains utf8 but remote server did not offer SMTPUTF8"
Has anyone ever seen this before?
The list is probably too big. Try breaking it into smaller lists.
Post by: CP on January 13, 2016, 08:18:09 AM
laurie.jinkins@leg.wa.gov; christine.kilduff@leg.wa.gov; jay.rodne@leg.wa.gov; matt.shea@leg.wa.gov; roger.goodman@leg.wa.gov; larry.haler@leg.wa.gov; drew.hansen@leg.wa.gov; steve.kirby@leg.wa.gov; brad.klippert@leg.wa.gov; kuderer.patty@leg.wa.gov; dick.muri@leg.wa.gov; tina.orwall@leg.wa.gov; drew.stokesbary@leg.wa.gov
Tell them what you think. Hopefully this bill dies there.
Post by: huntnphool on January 13, 2016, 08:25:48 AM
I email all of them. Figure why not let them all know, they all represent WA (sort of).
Cut and Paste email template below
I cut an pasted all those email addresses and they all failed to send except one. I got this error: "Technical details of permanent failure:
local-part of envelope contains utf8 but remote server did not offer SMTPUTF8"
Has anyone ever seen this before?
They have liberal filters turned on. ;)
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 13, 2016, 09:09:37 AM
House Judiciary Committee:
laurie.jinkins@leg.wa.gov; christine.kilduff@leg.wa.gov; jay.rodne@leg.wa.gov; matt.shea@leg.wa.gov; roger.goodman@leg.wa.gov; larry.haler@leg.wa.gov; drew.hansen@leg.wa.gov; steve.kirby@leg.wa.gov; brad.klippert@leg.wa.gov; kuderer.patty@leg.wa.gov; dick.muri@leg.wa.gov; tina.orwall@leg.wa.gov; drew.stokesbary@leg.wa.gov
Tell them what you think. Hopefully this bill dies there.
My email to the House Judiciary Committee:
"Dear Sirs/Madams,
I quote the Washington State Constitution from Article I, Section 24. It reads: "Article I Section 24 SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men."
Limiting the type of firearm or levying taxes which make the purchase of ammunition more difficult impairs my ability to bear arms. Please, I implore you. Do not violate my rights by even considering moving these bills forward to the floor.
Restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens based on the actions of criminals and madmen will have no positive effect on the future acts of criminals and madmen. It will only serve to reduce individual rights and the very security of our republic.
Thanks you for your consideration of my views."
Post by: RudyP on January 13, 2016, 09:38:32 AM
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Post by: magnanimous_j on January 13, 2016, 09:53:30 AM
Dear Representatives,
Please Oppose Washington State Ammo tax HB2374. This tax is an agenda driven, politically motivated cash grab that will not prevent a single crime. 5 cents per round might not seem like a lot for a box of 20 big game hunting rounds that already costs 40 dollars or more, but for rimfire, and pistol range ammo, where its not uncommon to go through a couple hundred in one sitting, the cost increase is obscene. If training and practice become too expensive to do regularly, firearm safety suffers. But that's all kind of moot, because shooters will just buy their ammo elsewhere.
Given the small size, ease of transport, and decades long shelf life of manufactured ammunition, it will a mild inconvenience at worst for Washington State firearms owners to periodically travel to Idaho or Oregon to stock up, never mind the hundreds (if not more) of online retailers where ammo is sold. In the end, this tax will do nothing except hurt Washington State businesses, the jobs they support, and the tax revenue that they already provide.
In addition, this tax is seen by many in the Washington sporting community as a punitive, back door measure to impede the people's Second Amendment rights and generally "stick it" to a group that the politically elite in this state look down on. As you are no doubt aware, the sportspeople of this state are extremely politically aware and active. I urge you to consider that fact before supporting a law that isn't going to do anything anyway."
I got a few responses back, but this one from Majority Leader Mark Schoesler's office seemed encouraging:
A Democrat from Seattle sponsored this bill, with zero co-sponsors and in turn got no companion bill in the Senate. The chairman of the Law and Justice Committee is a strong second amendment supporter, and this bill likely won’t see through committee.
Post by: CP on January 13, 2016, 12:54:03 PM
My estimate of the impact of this bill is that if twelve billion rounds are sold in the US annually and we estimate that Washington is approximately 2% of the population, then we would expect approximately 240 million rounds to be sold in our state. At a $0.05 tax (let's call this what it really is: a tax -- not a "fee"), then we would expect it to raise $12,000,000 per year. If we divide that just by the 39 counties in our state, each would get an average of $308,000/year -- that would be enough for 3 more officers in each county (assuming $100,000 in pay, benefits, etc per officer). If we divide that among the 39 counties AND 281 cities and towns, it would average $37,500/ municipality -- that may be enough to enable some municipalities to hire an additional officer but only if they had enough of their own money to fund 2/3 of an officer, but not enough for most to hire an additional officer.
So, that is what it would raise -- assuming that customers in areas adjacent to Oregon or Idaho would still buy ammunition in Washington rather than crossing to another state to purchase it, but, I expect many would cross the border to buy (they cross to avoid sales tax, liquor tax, cigarette tax, gas tax, etc. so it is reasonable to expect they would cross to avoid this tax as well).
But, is this a fair tax? I suggest not. Even with the burden put on law enforcement by those who use guns irresponsibly, we do not need law enforcement to regulate those who use guns and ammunition responsibly. Furthermore, there are a huge number of crimes committed or police calls made that are unrelated to guns which would not be taxed. So, this appears to be a tax that unfairly singles out a certain sector of our society.
Furthermore, if law enforcement is so important (which it is) then it should be funded from existing revenue -- not be reliant on a new tax. I believe that we must prioritize our current revenue and provide services within existing revenues. And, I certainly oppose infringement on our 2nd amendment rights by targeting ammunition to pay for law enforcement to respond to all types of calls -- even those where no gun has been used.
I will not be supporting this bill and will work to defeat it.
Representative Ed Orcutt
20th Legislative District
Post by: shotguunar on January 13, 2016, 05:07:32 PM
Post by: brush hunter on January 13, 2016, 05:30:24 PM
Post by: 2labs on January 13, 2016, 05:35:28 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 13, 2016, 05:37:13 PM
Reload!... Already stocked. Tax that biotch!
You are kidding right?
Post by: Oh Mah on January 13, 2016, 05:42:02 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 13, 2016, 05:45:31 PM
No, brain surgeon. Tell me why?
So, since you are "stocked up" you don't care if the state taxes small arms ammunition and components?
Post by: 2labs on January 13, 2016, 05:47:27 PM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on January 13, 2016, 05:52:12 PM
Of course I care! What are you personally going to do? How did 594 work out for ya bro?
What does 594 have to do with current legislation?
Post by: grundy53 on January 13, 2016, 05:53:01 PM
Who voted all these idiots in? :bash:Sadly, quite a few people on here.
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Post by: Oh Mah on January 13, 2016, 06:28:12 PM
:chuckle: seems as though. :yeah:Who voted all these idiots in? :bash:Sadly, quite a few people on here.
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Post by: Stickerbush on January 13, 2016, 07:34:15 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on January 13, 2016, 07:35:36 PM
Let's just add a tax to people who commit gun crimes, we can just add it on to their court fines. How's that?To those pushing the legislation owning a gun is a crime.
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