Post by: cowboycraig on January 14, 2016, 03:19:48 PM
House Bill 1857, carry over legislation sponsored by state Representative Laurie Jinkins, would allow a family, “household member” or police officer to petition a court to take away a person’s firearms without consideration of due process.
Comment on House Bill 1857
http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1857&year=2015 (http://app.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1857&year=2015)
Another bill from 2015, House Bill 1747, sponsored by Representative Ruth Kagi, would create criminal penalties for a child endangerment due to unsafe storage of a firearm if a child (defined as up to age 17) causes personal injury or death with a firearm.
Comment on House Bill 1747
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1747 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?bill=1747)
Post by: Antlershed on January 14, 2016, 05:34:07 PM
3 years ago, I kept a pistol in my nightstand drawer, often times with one in the chamber. Then my son was born. I now have a small safe in the bedroom for my pistol, and a large safe for all the other guns. My two year old is very interested in what guns are when he sees me carrying one out the door to go hunting, shooting, etc. If one was left unattended, there is no doubt in my mind he would pick it up. It's really not that hard to take precautions (gun safe) to make sure that never happens.
Maybe I'm way out in left field though... :dunno:
Post by: timberfaller on January 14, 2016, 10:02:19 PM
I've read the first couple of pages and can SEE how the government WILL abuse it! Ever been around CPS workers??
Remember, when seconds count LEO are only minutes away! Trigger locks, gun safes, other types of locks are just like firearm "safety's" they are mechanical devices which will and sometimes FAIL. Life is more valuable then trusting so called safety locks. Unless your SURE you'll never have a home evasion while your home.
I had four kids, they grew up around firearms in the house, some were loaded and easy to get your hands on them. They also had the privilege of being raised with hands off unless you ask permission and time spent shooting with dad. Plus they all had to go though Hunters Ed and try and pass "dads" classes.
The only reason I purchased a gun safe was, there came a time when I was gone from home more then I liked, so to keep the "five finger discount"(criminals) people away from them they got locked up.
The government has MORE serious issues to deal with instead of wasting their time on Party ideology issues!! Obama spoke, the sheep all got into lockstep with his rantings. Inslee is one sic puppy, his liberal lemmings are just as bad.
If you don't fight stupidity, it will over take you!!
Post by: cowboycraig on January 14, 2016, 10:40:58 PM
Maybe I am missing something, but I just both bills in their entirety, and I am not so sure that I disagree with HB 1747. As responsible gun owners who want to keep our rights, shouldn't we be for penalizing the idiotic non-responsible ones? There is nothing in the bill that states how you have to store your firearms, and you cannot be prosecuted if your guns are kept in a safe, or locked up with a trigger guard, etc. There is nothing in the bill that says LE may come and inspect how your firearms are stored.After this legislation that fits just like a puzzle piece will be introduced, etc, etc, etc until we are all SWATTed. I fight even what sounds reasonable, because that is just another tactic by the disarmament crew.
3 years ago, I kept a pistol in my nightstand drawer, often times with one in the chamber. Then my son was born. I now have a small safe in the bedroom for my pistol, and a large safe for all the other guns. My two year old is very interested in what guns are when he sees me carrying one out the door to go hunting, shooting, etc. If one was left unattended, there is no doubt in my mind he would pick it up. It's really not that hard to take precautions (gun safe) to make sure that never happens.
Maybe I'm way out in left field though... :dunno:
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Post by: Lincoln4 on January 15, 2016, 07:51:45 AM
Post by: csaaphill on January 16, 2016, 12:51:00 AM
First off think not for one moment that anti gun can and will use this against people they know own guns. For one they will be confiscated against, and more than likely not get their guns back, and only under great duress upon them after month's and month's of someone making sure they do get them back. (That's if you can afford it that is.!)
My Brother-in law had in-laws who were anti gun and if they could of used this against him they would have. Moms demand action members have already sworn to call the swat team against anyone they see owning, or carrying a gun.
Gun storage yea maybe people should but Gov't has no business telling people they have to or now your a criminal BS.
Kind of undermines the 4th amendment doesn't' it? the only way they will know is if they have access to your house, and don't think for one moment Cops wont do what they can to circumvent that right! they already have technology that can X-ray though your walls even if they can't legally use it unless they suspect someone or have some kind of Probable cause don't you think just for kicks they will just use it just to see?
I don't want anyone telling me how to store anything I have weather that's a firearm or not. I can just see when this passes which is one of the Australian laws they have there now too.
But I can just see this passing and then someone get burglarized, but by some who have ill intent on their minds other than just taking some items. Hold on let me get my gun out of my safe just wait please.
Headline reads "Gun owner killed while trying to get his gun out of safe"
Post by: Antlershed on January 16, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
Post by: csaaphill on January 20, 2016, 02:12:42 AM
There is nothing in 1747 that says you have to store your firearms in a safe, but rather offers immunity if you do. After further thinking, it would be your word against theirs if you had your guns locked up and a minor got one and used it in a crime. That is why I now oppose this bill. :twocents:While language does say that, it still says you can be prosecuted if not. If they aren't telling anyone where and how to store their firearms then why the law? Kind of seems a bit strong-arming to me. "Hey nothing we say is telling you how to store it ;) but don't get caught not doing so." :mgun:
I don't like it either but for the fact that this passes another bill behind it will tell you how to store it rest assured. Seems like there's enough laws on the books that can get you arrested or fined for not doing this in the first place. glad you oppose it though.