Post by: bearpaw on January 31, 2016, 07:38:40 AM
I don't know anything about AR rifles or the parts involved in putting one together, but wonder if one could be put together to suit my purpose? There are lots of small survival and specialty firearms makers but I haven't found the right one yet.
ANY THOUGHTS?
Post by: 92xj on January 31, 2016, 07:42:07 AM
Post by: bearpaw on January 31, 2016, 07:51:11 AM
http://rockymountainbushcraft.blogspot.com/2013/12/review-tristar-sb-folding-survival.html?m=1
I've seen that and I'm trying to find out more about these cartridge sleeves:
https://www.kygunco.com/chiappa-x-caliber-adapter-for-12-ga-barrel-black-72399
Post by: CAMPMEAT on January 31, 2016, 07:54:29 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on January 31, 2016, 08:03:48 AM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on January 31, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
Post by: kentrek on January 31, 2016, 08:28:32 AM
Everything gets too expensive when it gets light
Post by: jackelope on January 31, 2016, 08:32:18 AM
Post by: yorketransport on January 31, 2016, 08:32:59 AM
T/C Encore with a short rifle barrel or T/C Encore handgun. Any caliber you want.
The Encore or possibly a Contender. The Encore gets more potent calibers, but the Contender saves a ton of weight. A 16" barreled Contender in something like 30-30 or 7x30 Waters would make for a very compact little gun. If you want to get a little more power from it there are a ton of great wildcats that bring the little Contender up a notch. Any of the JDJ or Mike Bellem rounds work well. If you want to have some fun, get a 16" barreled 375 JDJ! :chuckle:
For a while I ran an 18" Contender Carbine in 300 BS (307 Winchester sized in a 300 Savage die ). I think that gun weighed right at 6# scoped and ready to hunt with a very nice walnut stock set on there. A synthetic stock would have cut that down even more.
Post by: follow maggie on January 31, 2016, 08:41:47 AM
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Post by: HawkCreek on January 31, 2016, 09:41:58 AM
Another option is the Marlin 336Y with a folding stock. If you're really worried about cutting all the weight you can, the Ram-Line synthetic youth stock weighs about half of that of the factory laminate stock. I just measured mine and muzzle to end of tang is right at 25".
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Post by: jackelope on January 31, 2016, 09:42:40 AM
This is one of my favorite! Browning Mtn Ti. 7/08 with light Leupold. A pleasure to carry.
That doesn't fit most of his requirements.
Post by: jackelope on January 31, 2016, 09:43:58 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 31, 2016, 09:46:39 AM
Their survivor rifle with a peep sight would be compact but weighs close to 7# and you said you want a scope...
Yeah I guess I'm stumped too :chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on January 31, 2016, 09:49:18 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 31, 2016, 09:53:29 AM
TNW makes a take down rifle that is about 5.5 pounds. They make that in a 10mm and at close range would put the smack down on a bear. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=539338175
Post by: mountainman on January 31, 2016, 10:02:35 AM
Post by: Bob33 on January 31, 2016, 10:05:58 AM
http://www.tnwfirearms.com/product-p/asrx-cplt-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx.htm
Post by: jackelope on January 31, 2016, 10:06:24 AM
The Katahdin from TC? Not sure on the weight..Jackelope?
The Katahdin rifle is heavy. Dale has an Encore with a short .44 mag barrel on it. 18" I think. And it has a Choate folding stock. I'm assuming the only problem with that rifle is the weight unless it doesn't shoot. Those folding stocks are heavy.
Were it me, I'd buy a pistol grip and fore stock and buy a pistol barrel of your choice and call it a day. Off of a good rest and with the right chambering, they are legit 200 yard weapons.
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I've always wanted to put it in a 10/22 tactical folder stock sort of like this:
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Post by: drdr07 on January 31, 2016, 12:01:02 PM
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/products/sr556TD/models.html
http://www.gunsandammo.com/rifles/ar-15/an-inside-look-ruger-sr-556-takedown-ar/
Post by: coachcw on January 31, 2016, 12:08:53 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 31, 2016, 03:25:55 PM
encore in 500 sw
That's the Khatadin.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 31, 2016, 05:52:21 PM
Ruger is making the SR-556 in a takedown model now.
http://www.ruger-firearms.com/products/sr556TD/models.html
http://www.gunsandammo.com/rifles/ar-15/an-inside-look-ruger-sr-556-takedown-ar/
It's pretty heavy. I think around 7.25-7.5 lbs. It also breaks down into 3 pieces.
Post by: lucky7 on January 31, 2016, 09:02:16 PM
Post by: lucky7 on January 31, 2016, 09:07:12 PM
Post by: JDHasty on January 31, 2016, 10:11:19 PM
I ran into some Coues deer hunters in AZ and I was curious as to what they were using for rifles and four of six had 7-30 Contender carbines and they said they are plenty good enough for 300 yard shots.
Post by: RadSav on January 31, 2016, 10:50:47 PM
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_785511_-1_757896_757896_757896_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
Think that fits all your criteria other than scoped weight under 5#
Post by: zwickeyman on January 31, 2016, 10:56:37 PM
Post by: JDHasty on February 01, 2016, 09:36:11 PM
http://www.predatormastersforums.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1832848
When I lived in Az, we hunted off of mules and horses. We ran into a lot of back pack hunters to about the 8 mile mark away from the parking area. It was rare to run into a deer hunter back packing that was not using a 7/30 Waters in a 20" contender. The 120g Nosler Ballistic tip was what all of them was using.
I helped one ole guy get his deer out that he had made heck of a shot on, 320 yards.
Post by: bearpaw on February 02, 2016, 05:45:03 PM
Dale- what don't you like about the Encore with the folder on it? Too heavy?
By the time I got it all outfitted it is heavier than I wanted. I am considering shortening the barrel to 16", reducing the diameter of the barrel, and mounting a lightweight Leupold VXII on it. Rather than do all that I thought maybe there are a few other options out there that I should consider first?
Some good ideas have been mentioned, I am checking them out right now, thanks for the info everyone! :tup:
Post by: Jolten on February 02, 2016, 05:51:33 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 02, 2016, 06:00:16 PM
Dale- what don't you like about the Encore with the folder on it? Too heavy?
By the time I got it all outfitted it is heavier than I wanted. I am considering shortening the barrel to 16", reducing the diameter of the barrel, and mounting a lightweight Leupold VXII on it. Rather than do all that I thought maybe there are a few other options out there that I should consider first?
Some good ideas have been mentioned, I am checking them out right now, thanks for the info everyone! :tup:
You could shorten it, then flute it. Put a little compact Leupold 2-7x33 or something like that on it and knock a fair chunk of weight off of it.
Post by: bearpaw on February 02, 2016, 06:48:03 PM
Dale- what don't you like about the Encore with the folder on it? Too heavy?
By the time I got it all outfitted it is heavier than I wanted. I am considering shortening the barrel to 16", reducing the diameter of the barrel, and mounting a lightweight Leupold VXII on it. Rather than do all that I thought maybe there are a few other options out there that I should consider first?
Some good ideas have been mentioned, I am checking them out right now, thanks for the info everyone! :tup:
You could shorten it, then flute it. Put a little compact Leupold 2-7x33 or something like that on it and knock a fair chunk of weight off of it.
That's more or less what I had in mind. Do you know how much lighter a g2 contender frame is than a pro hunter frame?
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on February 02, 2016, 06:54:56 PM
T/C Encore with a short rifle barrel or T/C Encore handgun. Any caliber you want.
Post by: jackelope on February 02, 2016, 07:11:25 PM
Dale- what don't you like about the Encore with the folder on it? Too heavy?
By the time I got it all outfitted it is heavier than I wanted. I am considering shortening the barrel to 16", reducing the diameter of the barrel, and mounting a lightweight Leupold VXII on it. Rather than do all that I thought maybe there are a few other options out there that I should consider first?
Some good ideas have been mentioned, I am checking them out right now, thanks for the info everyone! :tup:
You could shorten it, then flute it. Put a little compact Leupold 2-7x33 or something like that on it and knock a fair chunk of weight off of it.
That's more or less what I had in mind. Do you know how much lighter a g2 contender frame is than a pro hunter frame?
Can't imagine it being too much lighter. I don't have a contender but they've got to be close. Maybe a few ounces different?? Maybe JDHasty could weight a contender frame then you could compare.
Post by: JDHasty on February 02, 2016, 08:49:51 PM
Post by: kentrek on February 02, 2016, 09:16:20 PM
Post by: yorketransport on February 03, 2016, 05:26:21 AM
Can't imagine it being too much lighter. I don't have a contender but they've got to be close. Maybe a few ounces different?? Maybe JDHasty could weight a contender frame then you could compare.
My original Contender(frame only) weighs 19.5 oz with the grip. The G2 frame weighs 23.6oz and the Encore weighs 26.2 oz. These are all without barrels and with pachmyr handgun grips on them.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on February 04, 2016, 07:17:23 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 04, 2016, 06:02:16 PM
Good info, thanks, I could trim off almost 7 oz by using an original contender frame, do you know if the original contender was available in stainless?
Can't imagine it being too much lighter. I don't have a contender but they've got to be close. Maybe a few ounces different?? Maybe JDHasty could weight a contender frame then you could compare.
My original Contender(frame only) weighs 19.5 oz with the grip. The G2 frame weighs 23.6oz and the Encore weighs 26.2 oz. These are all without barrels and with pachmyr handgun grips on them.
Buy my Remington Mountain rifle 25-06 with scope right at 7 1/2 lbs w/o ammo. $1000 firm.Thanks for the info but it's a little heavier than wanted.
Savage axis cut and recrown the barrel. Should get you pretty close. Not going to win the long range competition by any means but should be cheap and light.Thanks, I will investigate.
Post by: Jolten on February 04, 2016, 07:03:24 PM
Base stats. I was considering cutting my stock and putting a hinge and latch system on to make a home made collapsible stock. If you shorten the barrel it might come close to your specs.
Post by: Jolten on February 04, 2016, 07:09:44 PM
Post by: JDHasty on February 04, 2016, 08:44:28 PM
Good info, thanks, I could trim off almost 7 oz by using an original contender frame, do you know if the original contender was available in stainless?
Can't imagine it being too much lighter. I don't have a contender but they've got to be close. Maybe a few ounces different?? Maybe JDHasty could weight a contender frame then you could compare.
My original Contender(frame only) weighs 19.5 oz with the grip. The G2 frame weighs 23.6oz and the Encore weighs 26.2 oz. These are all without barrels and with pachmyr handgun grips on them.Buy my Remington Mountain rifle 25-06 with scope right at 7 1/2 lbs w/o ammo. $1000 firm.Thanks for the info but it's a little heavier than wanted.Savage axis cut and recrown the barrel. Should get you pretty close. Not going to win the long range competition by any means but should be cheap and light.Thanks, I will investigate.
Not available stainless, but I think they called it armor alloy or something like that. It is pretty darn impervious to weather though.
Post by: JDHasty on February 04, 2016, 08:56:53 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 04, 2016, 09:10:15 PM
http://www.cva.com/CVA-Store-View.php?id=741
Now it does not say it is a take down but if it like there muzzleloader they take down pretty easy. Might be something to look into.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 04, 2016, 09:16:57 PM
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/rifle/su-16c
Post by: yorketransport on February 04, 2016, 09:45:31 PM
I'll get a weight on my current TC with one of the scoped 10" barrels on there. I think that the 30 Herrett package weighs about the same as a 6.5" S&W 629. I'm not tall enough to pack a 14" barrel in a shoulder holster so I'm partial to the 10" versions. If your a tall guy (over 6') you could probably run the 14" barrel with no problem. Get a 14" 375 JDJ barrel and you're good to go!
Post by: RadSav on February 04, 2016, 10:43:57 PM
I'll get a weight on my current TC with one of the scoped 10" barrels on there. I think that the 30 Herrett package weighs about the same as a 6.5" S&W 629. I'm not tall enough to pack a 14" barrel in a shoulder holster so I'm partial to the 10" versions. If your a tall guy (over 6') you could probably run the 14" barrel with no problem. Get a 14" 375 JDJ barrel and you're good to go!
I had the 10" in a 221 fireball way back. It was a fine shooter, but dang!!! That thing was loud :o And in low light it would take about five seconds for you eyes to regain focus on the target.
I also killed a few bear and did some silhouette shooting with the Super 14 in 30-30. That was one heck of a gun with handloaded 130 grain Hornady spire points. If it hadn't been for the hammer disengagement issue I would have probably kept that gun for life. One heck of a shooter!
Post by: j_h_nimrod on February 04, 2016, 11:23:24 PM
5.2 pounds and with a little judicious trimming and ingenuity could get the weight down a bit more and make a folding stock. Can't remember if these barrels are held in by a tension block or nit, if they are it would be fairly easy to break it down to a pretty small and light package. I really like mine and with hand loads it packs a punch and is very accurate.
Post by: JDHasty on February 05, 2016, 06:38:50 AM
Post by: bearpaw on February 05, 2016, 09:15:58 AM
Post by: jackelope on February 07, 2016, 09:07:38 PM
Armor Alloy frames will take any barrel with a very minor $25 modification at TC. Or you can take it to a machine shop and have the pin hole reamed locally. But do not try to accomplish this on your own, you can ruin the frame by making the hole out of round or sloppy and then you will have to get Bellum or another oversized pin fitted and then the frame will only be usable with barrels that have been fitted for oversized pins as well.
I run Bellm oversized pins in my Encores with no modifications made to anything.
Post by: bearpaw on February 08, 2016, 06:26:33 AM
Post by: JDHasty on February 09, 2016, 01:17:38 PM
6.8 SPC (.277 Groove). 21" tapered to .625 @ muzzle. It weighs 2lb 2.5 oz
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 02, 2016, 07:43:24 AM
for anybody doing a search in a few years, this guy has a great lightweight setup :tup:
Post by: AWS on March 02, 2016, 11:51:22 AM
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Post by: 300rum on March 02, 2016, 12:31:20 PM
Post by: high country on March 02, 2016, 09:32:01 PM
Kifaru did a rifle years back that was super light on a steel action, but they chewed a lot of meat out of it.
I wonder if you could get a long barrel for a 329pd and add a grip stock......that's a 28oz starting point.
Post by: jackelope on March 02, 2016, 09:47:32 PM
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Post by: mountainman on March 03, 2016, 07:49:02 AM
Kifaru Rambling Rifle. Forgot about that one.meantioned back on page one of this thread. Great gun, lighrweight, plenty accurate for the first couple shots...and pricey if you can find one! :)
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Post by: Yondering on March 03, 2016, 09:26:10 AM
I will be putting an 8 oz lightweight Leopold scope on the rifle, wanting the finished rifle/scope combo to weigh 5 pounds or less and hopefully not cost too much since it's going to get lots of rugged use and abuse.
That's actually not too hard to accomplish with an AR. You'd have to build it from parts though, or be willing to spend big bucks for something off the shelf. However sub-4lb ARs have been built by a number of people already. It wouldn't need to be an SBR (short barreled rifle) either, a 16" barrel can be done at that weight without too much trouble.
Several wildcat calibers would fit your needs, or you could go with a 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel, doesn't have to be just a 223.
Post by: Kittman on March 03, 2016, 09:39:04 AM
http://www.grizzlycustom.com/custom_lever_action_rifle_backpacker_scout_sbr_package.html
No bear spray required!
Post by: JDHasty on March 03, 2016, 02:07:12 PM
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=121
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2016, 02:10:42 PM
Contender with Choate folding stock, .357 Mag. custom barrel rechambered to .357 Max.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=121
Dale already has that setup in an Encore and a .44 mag barrel.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 03, 2016, 05:26:20 PM
My canoe gun for camping trips was a single shot shotgun with the barrel cut to 18 1/2", broken down fit easily in a pack for portages and with a selection of slugs, buckshot and birdshot protected us from large two and four legged predators and kept the pot filled with grouse and rabbits on the trapline, plus just the barrel worked as a well balanced club to dispatch a trapped beaver, raccoon or fox.
This is a great option as well. If dale was ok with slugs and buck shot for bear and not having a scope.
I just finished a project shotgun myself. Took a old 94b 20g single that was 5lbs 10oz and knocked the barrel to 20" and skeletonized the wood stock. Comes in at 4 lbs 15 oz now after painting. Shoots very well with 3 buck and bird shot. Nice light backpack gun. PLUS it takes down in 3 pieces and I can put it together in about 20 seconds with no tools.
Got to pick up a few slugs to try one of these days. You can buy the same shotgun for 80-120 and spend a little time and have a nice backpack gun
Post by: high country on March 03, 2016, 05:31:27 PM
The kifaru rifle could be duped pretty easy, there is nothing too hard to do there.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 03, 2016, 06:18:12 PM
Don't get me wrong I love me some 223 but in a survival situation. I would rather have a shot gun with a few types of ammo. few slugs/buck shot for big critters. Then some #6 or so for grouse or rabbits.
Post by: high country on March 05, 2016, 02:05:19 PM
Post by: JDHasty on March 05, 2016, 07:25:31 PM
Contender with Choate folding stock, .357 Mag. custom barrel rechambered to .357 Max.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=121
Dale already has that setup in an Encore and a .44 mag barrel.
W/light 16" 357 Max barrel or 20" 7-30 Waters or even 30-30 it would be very much packable and the latter two would give him near pointblank range of north of 200 yards and a couple cast SWC loads could be carried for grouse. Great little cougar & deer rifle. Using a G2 would knock quite a bit of wight off over the Encore. I would think a Leupold 4X compact in Aluminum rings would make supper portable. Even using Signature Zee Rings it would be super light.
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2016, 07:38:26 PM
Contender with Choate folding stock, .357 Mag. custom barrel rechambered to .357 Max.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=121
Dale already has that setup in an Encore and a .44 mag barrel.
W/light 16" 357 Max barrel or 20" 7-30 Waters or even 30-30 it would be very much packable and the latter two would give him near pointblank range of north of 200 yards and a couple cast SWC loads could be carried for grouse. Great little cougar & deer rifle. Using a G2 would knock quite a bit of wight off over the Encore. I would think a Leupold 4X compact in Aluminum rings would make supper portable. Even using Signature Zee Rings it would be super light.
I thought we already hashed these options out earlier in this thread.
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2016, 07:40:15 PM
Dale- what don't you like about the Encore with the folder on it? Too heavy?
By the time I got it all outfitted it is heavier than I wanted. I am considering shortening the barrel to 16", reducing the diameter of the barrel, and mounting a lightweight Leupold VXII on it. Rather than do all that I thought maybe there are a few other options out there that I should consider first?
Some good ideas have been mentioned, I am checking them out right now, thanks for the info everyone! :tup:
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2016, 07:40:56 PM
Dale- what don't you like about the Encore with the folder on it? Too heavy?
By the time I got it all outfitted it is heavier than I wanted. I am considering shortening the barrel to 16", reducing the diameter of the barrel, and mounting a lightweight Leupold VXII on it. Rather than do all that I thought maybe there are a few other options out there that I should consider first?
Some good ideas have been mentioned, I am checking them out right now, thanks for the info everyone! :tup:
You could shorten it, then flute it. Put a little compact Leupold 2-7x33 or something like that on it and knock a fair chunk of weight off of it.
That's more or less what I had in mind. Do you know how much lighter a g2 contender frame is than a pro hunter frame?
Can't imagine it being too much lighter. I don't have a contender but they've got to be close. Maybe a few ounces different?? Maybe JDHasty could weight a contender frame then you could compare.
Post by: jackelope on March 05, 2016, 07:41:17 PM
Can't imagine it being too much lighter. I don't have a contender but they've got to be close. Maybe a few ounces different?? Maybe JDHasty could weight a contender frame then you could compare.
My original Contender(frame only) weighs 19.5 oz with the grip. The G2 frame weighs 23.6oz and the Encore weighs 26.2 oz. These are all without barrels and with pachmyr handgun grips on them.
Post by: JDHasty on March 05, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
Can't imagine it being too much lighter. I don't have a contender but they've got to be close. Maybe a few ounces different?? Maybe JDHasty could weight a contender frame then you could compare.
My original Contender(frame only) weighs 19.5 oz with the grip. The G2 frame weighs 23.6oz and the Encore weighs 26.2 oz. These are all without barrels and with pachmyr handgun grips on them.
So going w/a first gen Contnder knocks off .42 lb. That is considerable considering what he is starting with. Flute the barrel and use a VX2 Compact on it and he might shave off almost 3/4 lb from what he has. So long as he is not hot rodding the loads I would think a first Gen Easy open would serve him well.
I know this thread is long in the tooth, but It still keeps me amused considering it.
When it is getting late in the chuck season I will go with the family to central WA and will take off in our truck at ~ 04:30 and shoot for a few hours at the stragglers or on colonies that are not populous enough to bothers setting up on earlier in the season and am back in camp no later than 11:00. Since I am getting back to camp about the time the crew is still in the protracted process of getting out of bed, it serves two purposes, I get to shoot and I am not making noise waking up the wife & kids that enjoy staying up late and sleeping in.
On these junkets I generally climb up a talus slope and sit among sage brush with my either CZ 22 Hornet or 204 or my H&R Ultra Wildcat 17 Rem and just my 8x40 binocular and my rangefinder. Oh and my seat cushion - I will sit in one spot from sunup until ~ 9:30 or 10. Or I hike in a few miles to a couple remote spots and sit and shoot off my Harris Bipod. I could live with a minute of angle carbine in 17 or 22 Hornet quite well, unarguably better than with a sub half minute CZ American w/5-20 Nitrex TR2 on it in portability. What would suck though is not having a 5-20 scope because I am frequently "slipping" a bullet betw rocks that my target is behind when up on a slope. I really have to "thread the needle" on a lot of those shots. I would rate the Easy Open Contender trigger right in there with a set 527 trigger. My Ultra Wildcat has a 3-9 on it and while it is superbly accurate, Douglas Ultra-Rifled barrel and Sako A1 Action, I have been frustrated at times trying to slip one trough a slot betw rock or through a hole in a plant that I knew I could ace with more power and fine cross hairs and quarter minute dot to work with.
FWIW, I've knocked off more than my share of coyotes too doing this.
I have a friend who has a Hornet on a first frame and one of the stocks that the criminal from Cali made back in the 1980s. I was waiting for that setup when he was shut down for firearms violations. IIRC, he couldn't have a gun in possession and worked from an inert frame but when visited by the ATF someone had sent a receiver to him.
He has a Leupold Compact 6X on it, I think. I am still hoping to duplicate the stocks off that gun some day and replicate it. The whole shebang is light as a feather and he cherishes it and I lust after it. It has a snap on foreend with Schnabel to it and resembles an octagon pistol foreend only longer. The butt stock is so far and away more attractive, while being half the weight of almost anything except plastic.