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Title: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: acnewman55 on February 15, 2016, 09:24:07 PM: Anyone done it? Can it be done without use of scuba gear - like with a snorkel?

I want to catch one and smoke it.

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Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2016, 11:55:01 AM: In the Mediterranean, they use clay pots for the octo to crawl into. They also get caught on halibut jigs fairly regularly.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: WAPatriot on February 16, 2016, 12:09:47 PM: I've done a lot of homework on this. Check out some of the research studies done in Vancouver and Alaska. There are special traps kinda like the old Greek clay pots.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: h20hunter on February 16, 2016, 12:17:35 PM: Go down and grab one. Keep in mind, the diving community will tar and feather you given the chance.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: Goldeneye on February 16, 2016, 12:27:40 PM: Here's the last time this subject came up. Got pretty ugly...

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,108900.0.html
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: RadSav on February 16, 2016, 12:37:49 PM: Quote from: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2016, 11:55:01 AM
In the Mediterranean, they use clay pots for the octo to crawl into. They also get caught on halibut jigs fairly regularly.

I've seen this done for small ones. Never seen it done for giants.

We would get them in cab pots on a regular basis off the Oregon coast. I'm not usually a sushi kind of guy, but eating octi before the meat even stops wiggling is some of the best eats on the planet! :drool:
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 16, 2016, 12:43:57 PM: Quote from: h20hunter on February 16, 2016, 12:17:35 PM
Go down and grab one. Keep in mind, the diving community will tar and feather you given the chance.

Be careful. Octo are aggressive and even medium-sized once can rip off a mask and regulator. Some divers bite around their eyes to kill them quickly. Their brain is right under the eyes.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: boneaddict on February 16, 2016, 12:44:51 PM: I hunted them with a spear pistol in the Aegean and Med, just snorkeling/skin diving. Befriended a local who sold to restaurants to make money. I spent a couple days with him. Fun as heck. Have to have good eyes. Not sure how that would work here, water clarity wise.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: CP on February 16, 2016, 12:49:24 PM: I've caught a couple small ones in Puget sound while crabbing. I expect most will squeeze through the pot mesh while it's being pulled. I'm sure that one could come up with a pot that would catch them consistently.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: RadSav on February 16, 2016, 12:57:17 PM: The ones we would get in the crab pots would yield about as much meat as an average blacktail deer. Not sure the little ones would be worth the trouble of skinning. I would certainly think twice about grabbing one of those while diving!
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: h20hunter on February 16, 2016, 12:57:54 PM: Having seen and interacted with many I can assure you they are very strong. Smart as well. I would look for a 10 or 15 pounder...maybe 1 inch sucker as high on the arm as you can see. You pretty much, with diving, are restricted to hand harvest. Probably could set pots as well. Good luck.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: WAPatriot on February 16, 2016, 01:01:21 PM: I've killed octopus in 3 continents. I saw the octo that the diver killed out of the honeyhole I think that was the name of the sunken boat. No way would I mess with a GPO underwater without some fire power. Never eaten a large one but the small ones taste awesome. I have meaty fists and that GPO that the diver killed had eyes as big as my fist. No sir not for me
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: magnanimous_j on February 16, 2016, 01:05:23 PM: I've seen traps that are little more than PVC drain pipe (capped at one end) and a little concrete to ensure they lay flat on the sea floor. Attach with rope and pull after 24 hrs. I would place them near structure, but in an open area; the idea being the octo would pop in there for shelter if he wandered too far away and found himself in open ground.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: acnewman55 on February 16, 2016, 01:15:08 PM: I'm not certain about the legality of using pots?

I guess the only limitation is that they can't be caught using a tool that impaled the octopus. Catching them via angling is legal though.

I wasn't planning on diving for them, though that seems pretty doable for the smaller ones.

I also would not try to wrestle an 80 pounder the way that kid on Alki did! He trained for that in a pool SEAL style lol.

Anyway, I found some interesting lures for them to use with a fishing pole. The lures look like a smaller red octopus which signals aggression, and they attack the lure and get hooked. Seems doable!

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Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: magnanimous_j on February 16, 2016, 01:33:58 PM: Quote from: acnewman55 on February 16, 2016, 01:15:08 PM
I'm not certain about the legality of using pots?

I guess the only limitation is that they can't be caught using a tool that impaled the octopus. Catching them via angling is legal though.

I wasn't planning on diving for them, though that seems pretty doable for the smaller ones.

I also would not try to wrestle an 80 pounder the way that kid on Alki did! He trained for that in a pool SEAL style lol.

Anyway, I found some interesting lures for them to use with a fishing pole. The lures look like a smaller red octopus which signals aggression, and they attack the lure and get hooked. Seems doable!

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From what I understand, pots and traps are legal, but lures aren't. I think the part about caught while angling means you can keep them as bycatch.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: acnewman55 on February 16, 2016, 05:58:13 PM: I sent an email to the fishing regs people to ask for clarification on legal methods.

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Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: acnewman55 on March 14, 2016, 10:08:24 AM: A shellfish biologist with WDFW replied to me this morning... Took them a full month to reply.

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You can use a crab pot to fish for octopus, but only during an open recreational Dungeness crab fishery. The pot limit must be adhered to. The pot must conform to all the requirements of a Dungeness pot as outlined in the Recreational Sport Pamphlet. You cannot set pot gear outside an open recreational Dungeness crab fishery. You must have a Shellfish/Seaweed license. You cannot keep Dungeness crab during these efforts unless you also get a Dungeness crab endorsement and Dungeness crab Catch Record Card.

You can catch them as a diver, but this must be done by hand. No chemical irritants are allowed. No implements that penetrate the octopus are allowed. Again, you must have a Shellfish/Seaweed license.

You can catch octopus using hook and line. There is no specific bait that I know of that would solely limit your take to octopus. The likelihood of successfully targeting octopus using hook and line would be slim in my opinion. If you are using a hook and line to target octopus, you should be aware of other bottom fish, baitfish or salmon restrictions that may be in place. If you intend to keep anything other than octopus, make sure you have the appropriate license and endorsement for those species. Again, you must have at least a Shellfish/Seaweed license if you only intend to take octopus.

Regardless of the method, your daily octopus limit is one.

There are areas that are “off limits” for octopus fishing. Please refer to the following link for information on these restricted areas; http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/octopus/.

In addition, Brackett’s Landing (aka Edmonds Underwater Park) restricts the take of any fish or shellfish from within the boundaries of the city reserve. Other cities may have similar restrictions. There are also research reserves set-up within the San Juan Archipelago by the University of Washington. No fish or shellfish are allowed to be taken from within the boundaries of these reserves (http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/mpa/friday_harbor.html).

Please let us know if you have additional questions.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 15, 2016, 10:34:50 AM: So you can only trap octopus in crab fisheries? That's weird.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: REHJWA on March 15, 2016, 10:38:50 AM: Quote from: magnanimous_j on March 15, 2016, 10:34:50 AM
So you can only trap octopus in crab fisheries? That's weird.

I think that us if your using pots as traos
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: acnewman55 on March 15, 2016, 04:44:10 PM: Quote from: REHJWA on March 15, 2016, 10:38:50 AM
Quote from: magnanimous_j on March 15, 2016, 10:34:50 AM
So you can only trap octopus in crab fisheries? That's weird.

I think that us if your using pots as traos

That is my understanding. You can use crab pots to fish for octopus though how you would target one and not the other... :dunno:

I suspect Octopus like rockier more structured environments so they can hunt/hide from predators while crab prefer eel grass and sandy bottoms.

So perhaps one could have success just by switching up locations.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: h20hunter on March 15, 2016, 05:21:49 PM: Octos live in rocks. I'd be amazed if one stayed in a crab pot all the way to the surface. Man up, strap on a tank, and go hand to hand.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: 2labs on March 15, 2016, 05:24:57 PM: Man up and go hand to hand with a big Ling!
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: h20hunter on March 15, 2016, 05:26:55 PM: By the way....having dove in the hundreds of times in the sound, handled and given crab to all sizes of octo.....I would not take the chance on hand grabbing one of any size. They are crazy strong and you are at the disadvantage.

Big ling on the end of a sling or spear line are a challenge at times as well. Good times.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: WAPatriot on March 16, 2016, 06:59:01 AM: As far as I'm concerned read the regulations and interpret them as such. I see nothing wrong with an octopus pot. Never ask the state for permission on a matter like this know the rules and play by them. Don't ask someone who is probably an octopus hugger interpret the rules.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: magnanimous_j on March 16, 2016, 07:19:33 AM: Quote from: acnewman55 on March 15, 2016, 04:44:10 PM
I suspect Octopus like rockier more structured environments so they can hunt/hide from predators while crab prefer eel grass and sandy bottoms.

From what I've read, the octopus do like craggy structure, but that's why you put the traps in open terrain, so it's more attractive to octos that strayed away from the safety of the rocks.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: jackmaster on March 16, 2016, 08:12:24 AM: Quote from: h20hunter on February 16, 2016, 12:17:35 PM
Go down and grab one. Keep in mind, the diving community will tar and feather you given the chance.
:yeah: i just spit coffee through my nose :tup:
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: nwwanderer on March 16, 2016, 04:41:00 PM: Have eaten a few. Pacifics can be very large, be careful out there
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: paguy on March 17, 2016, 05:52:33 PM: I caught two last summer in my crab pots, both very big, couldn't believe they could get in there, also lost one pulling the pot it was riding on top of it and fell off just before I could grab it. kept finding empty Dungeness crab shells in my pot before I caught one. octopus love Dungeness crab, set your pots on a sandy bottom near some structure.
Title: Re: Hunting/Fishing for Giant Pacific Octopus?
Post by: The scout on March 17, 2016, 05:59:32 PM: I would rather go down and spear a 40lb ling than try and catch a 20lb octopus any day :twocents: be careful and make sure your will is up to date