Post by: WashingtonBackcountry on February 16, 2016, 10:03:16 PM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/hunting_regulations/index.php
Post by: shanevg on February 18, 2016, 09:41:30 AM
Here is what I said for anyone who is willing to copy-paste it into the comment section. If 20-30 or even 100 hunters all comment on a similar topic, they will hear about it.
"Would love to see WDFW add a high buck archery permit option. Many states allow archery hunting in August in specific units. Currently, WA does not have an archery unit in many of the high buck hunts and no August deer hunting in the entire state. Would love to see a limited number of tags added as a buck or quality buck permit for an August 15-30 archery buck permit."
Post by: theslice on February 18, 2016, 11:38:12 AM
Post by: WA1232 on February 18, 2016, 12:41:22 PM
Post by: jstone on February 18, 2016, 01:22:55 PM
Post by: MarkTrail on February 18, 2016, 02:01:46 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on February 18, 2016, 03:05:30 PM
Lets create a new permit only high hunt for the sawtooth wilderness area. Who's in on that?
Post by: X-Force on February 18, 2016, 03:10:54 PM
I think the state has something that prohibits deer and elk seasons before Sept. 1st. Good idea but I doubt it will get any traction.
Lets create a new permit only high hunt for the sawtooth wilderness area. Who's in on that?
I was wondering about Sept. opening because when I looked at a local tribes regs their elk and deer seasons also started Sept 1st.
Post by: UBA on February 18, 2016, 05:02:18 PM
Post by: muleracks on February 20, 2016, 03:48:43 PM
Post by: shanevg on February 20, 2016, 04:05:55 PM
If velvet covered antlers is the goal, an earlier start makes good sense. That is about the only reason I see for opening early. The traditional Sept. 1st opening allows us to take our bows into the Wilderness areas with two weeks of hunting before the MF (high hunt) starts on Sept. 15th.
Bucks are just more in the open in August while they are in velvet which is part of the reason. I also know that at least Pasayten does not have an archery season (I honestly don't know about the other wilderness areas.) That's the other reason for it.
Post by: WashingtonBackcountry on February 20, 2016, 08:30:54 PM
If velvet covered antlers is the goal, an earlier start makes good sense. That is about the only reason I see for opening early. The traditional Sept. 1st opening allows us to take our bows into the Wilderness areas with two weeks of hunting before the MF (high hunt) starts on Sept. 15th.
Bucks are just more in the open in August while they are in velvet which is part of the reason. I also know that at least Pasayten does not have an archery season (I honestly don't know about the other wilderness areas.) That's the other reason for it.
Yes, some of the the wilderness units are not open and I agree with Shanevg they are out in the open more. They tend to disappear once the velvet comes off. Hopefully there is enough people who comment on the WDFW site that they will consider it. I think I will try to pitch the idea at one of the local meetings.
Post by: Bill W on February 20, 2016, 08:49:14 PM
Post by: shanevg on February 20, 2016, 09:25:07 PM
Post by: kodiak 907 on February 21, 2016, 12:03:42 AM
But, harvesting a buck while his antlers are still growing isn't my thing. Filling the freezer with summer venison is awesome though.
There is nothing like a big pre rut blacktail buck. Prime cape and dark head gear.
Post by: crabcreekhunter on February 21, 2016, 09:44:25 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on February 21, 2016, 10:04:16 AM
IMO I am not really for that archery guys already have two weeks starting sept 1st-15th to hunt most of the high hunt areas as well as everything else. I feel that is more than adequate time, a lot of these deer get pressured hard from sept 1st until December, even until the first of the year in some gmu's with the raffle, governors, incentive tags plus the Indians doing a lot of damage. Enough is enough sometimes, the fall and early winter is a very crucial time for a mule deers existance. Do your scouting in August, learn an area and it'll pay off in early September, everyone wants more. Just my two cents,
:yeah:
That's exactly how I feel word for word.
Post by: Branden on February 21, 2016, 10:12:13 AM
IMO I am not really for that archery guys already have two weeks starting sept 1st-15th to hunt most of the high hunt areas as well as everything else. I feel that is more than adequate time, a lot of these deer get pressured hard from sept 1st until December, even until the first of the year in some gmu's with the raffle, governors, incentive tags plus the Indians doing a lot of damage. Enough is enough sometimes, the fall and early winter is a very crucial time for a mule deers existance. Do your scouting in August, learn an area and it'll pay off in early September, everyone wants more. Just my two cents,
I agree that the deer get pressured a lot. But that cause we have general seasons. It's ridiculous that there is two general rifle seasons and only one general archery season in these units. Also the Pasayten has no separate archery season from the high buck hunt.
Also as for scouting in August that works and it doesn't. My buddies and I hunted one buck for a few years. Only one of those years did we ever see him once the season opened. I believe every time he rubbed his velvet he disappeared in the thicker stuff after.
I hunted another buck. Watched him for 3 days before the season. Opening day he was gone and I never saw him again. Hunted that area for a week. I did see his smaller buddy though that was still in velvet.
I'm all for having a limited archery season and also limiting the rifle hunters. Seems fair to me?
Regards, Branden
Post by: crabcreekhunter on February 21, 2016, 10:37:23 AM
Post by: Branden on February 21, 2016, 11:00:11 AM
For all the guys saying its to much pressure on our deer herds I hope you are sending in comments to ask the commission to do away with the high hunt. Cause that puts 100 times more pressure on the herds up there then what Shane proposed.
Regards, Branden
Post by: WashingtonBackcountry on February 21, 2016, 11:03:18 AM
IMO I am not really for that archery guys already have two weeks starting sept 1st-15th to hunt most of the high hunt areas as well as everything else. I feel that is more than adequate time, a lot of these deer get pressured hard from sept 1st until December, even until the first of the year in some gmu's with the raffle, governors, incentive tags plus the Indians doing a lot of damage. Enough is enough sometimes, the fall and early winter is a very crucial time for a mule deers existance. Do your scouting in August, learn an area and it'll pay off in early September, everyone wants more. Just my two cents,
Rifle hunters get to hunt the Pasayten during the high buck hunt and the general season (4 weeks) I believe. There is no archery season in the unit which is one of the best trophy units in the state in my opinion. Also if you look there are many more rifle hunters who are a lot more successful than bow hunters. I am talking about a limited number of tags somewhere around 20 in some of the units that are not open. Of those 20 how many people are going to be successful or put a lot of pressure on the deer? If you look at the buck & quality hunts the WDFG offers for bow they are very little compared to rifle. We have about 2 decent units open in the late season and they get slammed with people because of this. I am all for hunting with all weapons as I enjoy hunting with a rifle as well.
Post by: crabcreekhunter on February 21, 2016, 12:04:56 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 21, 2016, 12:13:11 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on February 21, 2016, 01:05:06 PM
I had a conversation a while back with a very knowledgeable individual, probably one of the most on this site about season dates and said they proposed as a group to limit late hunts to decrease pressure (actually looking to manage our herds) and it was shot down because of monetary reasons the main driving force behind a lot of our seasons in our wildlife so called management. I would like to see the high hunt turn to permit only for rifle and I'll give some earlier archery tags as you suggested, but in turn shut down the joke of a hunt the late swakane and Manson archery hunts are, no wonder there is a lack of big mature bucks wintering in those units compared to the surrounding units. Have to give some to win some. The high hunt, if tags are allocated properly should be a quality hunt over a buck hunt in my opinion, with less pressure those hunts would be awesome once again.now why would you take a general season high hunt and make it permit only? There is less people that hunt this season than any other. You must be an archery hunter blowing off steam. :bdid:
Post by: Branden on February 21, 2016, 01:11:35 PM
These general seasons are not game management. They are money management.
Regards, Branden
Post by: jackelope on February 21, 2016, 01:44:52 PM
I had a conversation a while back with a very knowledgeable individual, probably one of the most on this site about season dates and said they proposed as a group to limit late hunts to decrease pressure (actually looking to manage our herds) and it was shot down because of monetary reasons the main driving force behind a lot of our seasons in our wildlife so called management. I would like to see the high hunt turn to permit only for rifle and I'll give some earlier archery tags as you suggested, but in turn shut down the joke of a hunt the late swakane and Manson archery hunts are, no wonder there is a lack of big mature bucks wintering in those units compared to the surrounding units. Have to give some to win some. The high hunt, if tags are allocated properly should be a quality hunt over a buck hunt in my opinion, with less pressure those hunts would be awesome once again.now why would you take a general season high hunt and make it permit only? There is less people that hunt this season than any other. You must be an archery hunter blowing off steam. :bdid:
To improve the quality of the hunt and the quality of the deer. Nothing worse than running into other guys screwing up your hunt when you're 7 miles in. I'm a rifle hunter and I'd support it.
Post by: teanawayslayer on February 21, 2016, 02:09:41 PM
i generally buy the multi season for the high hunt alone. It's a lot less stuff to carry and less thing go wrong. I have carried a muzzy up there and have killed deer on the high hunt with it. Just prefer to hunt with the rifle on this hunt. I guess it's all about where you go on the high hunt. If you pick a place that's 7 miles in and can get there easily by trail that just doesn't cut it. This year with the fires closing the area I go to we scrambled to find a place to go. We looked at stuff 7-9 miles in but opted not to go there because it was way to easy. Ended up finding a spot and didn't run into a sole. Where we normally go I have seen one other hunter in 6 years. Get away from any trail and find the roughest country and you won't run into people. :twocents:I had a conversation a while back with a very knowledgeable individual, probably one of the most on this site about season dates and said they proposed as a group to limit late hunts to decrease pressure (actually looking to manage our herds) and it was shot down because of monetary reasons the main driving force behind a lot of our seasons in our wildlife so called management. I would like to see the high hunt turn to permit only for rifle and I'll give some earlier archery tags as you suggested, but in turn shut down the joke of a hunt the late swakane and Manson archery hunts are, no wonder there is a lack of big mature bucks wintering in those units compared to the surrounding units. Have to give some to win some. The high hunt, if tags are allocated properly should be a quality hunt over a buck hunt in my opinion, with less pressure those hunts would be awesome once again.now why would you take a general season high hunt and make it permit only? There is less people that hunt this season than any other. You must be an archery hunter blowing off steam. :bdid:
To improve the quality of the hunt and the quality of the deer. Nothing worse than running into other guys screwing up your hunt when you're 7 miles in. I'm a rifle hunter and I'd support it.
Post by: jackelope on February 21, 2016, 02:23:46 PM
i generally buy the multi season for the high hunt alone. It's a lot less stuff to carry and less thing go wrong. I have carried a muzzy up there and have killed deer on the high hunt with it. Just prefer to hunt with the rifle on this hunt. I guess it's all about where you go on the high hunt. If you pick a place that's 7 miles in and can get there easily by trail that just doesn't cut it. This year with the fires closing the area I go to we scrambled to find a place to go. We looked at stuff 7-9 miles in but opted not to go there because it was way to easy. Ended up finding a spot and didn't run into a sole. Where we normally go I have seen one other hunter in 6 years. Get away from any trail and find the roughest country and you won't run into people. :twocents:I had a conversation a while back with a very knowledgeable individual, probably one of the most on this site about season dates and said they proposed as a group to limit late hunts to decrease pressure (actually looking to manage our herds) and it was shot down because of monetary reasons the main driving force behind a lot of our seasons in our wildlife so called management. I would like to see the high hunt turn to permit only for rifle and I'll give some earlier archery tags as you suggested, but in turn shut down the joke of a hunt the late swakane and Manson archery hunts are, no wonder there is a lack of big mature bucks wintering in those units compared to the surrounding units. Have to give some to win some. The high hunt, if tags are allocated properly should be a quality hunt over a buck hunt in my opinion, with less pressure those hunts would be awesome once again.now why would you take a general season high hunt and make it permit only? There is less people that hunt this season than any other. You must be an archery hunter blowing off steam. :bdid:
To improve the quality of the hunt and the quality of the deer. Nothing worse than running into other guys screwing up your hunt when you're 7 miles in. I'm a rifle hunter and I'd support it.
Which exactly makes my point. If you can't get away from people 7 miles in, that's a problem.
Post by: teanawayslayer on February 21, 2016, 02:34:38 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 21, 2016, 02:35:25 PM
So what your saying is lets hunt in the middle of August when it's 99+ degrees in the back country. Man you could get a great trophy in velvet and leave your meat behind because it's spoiled. Makes sense to me.
Negative. I don't think a hunt in the middle of August when it's 90 degrees is a good idea either.
Specifically what I'm saying is permit only mule deer hunting in this state is a good idea.
Post by: teanawayslayer on February 21, 2016, 02:46:38 PM
so your saying taking opportunity away from the guy that wants to work his arse off for an animal? So would that encompass making all seasons draw only?So what your saying is lets hunt in the middle of August when it's 99+ degrees in the back country. Man you could get a great trophy in velvet and leave your meat behind because it's spoiled. Makes sense to me.
Negative. I don't think a hunt in the middle of August when it's 90 degrees is a good idea either.
Specifically what I'm saying is permit only mule deer hunting in this state is a good idea.
Post by: jackelope on February 21, 2016, 02:52:44 PM
Post by: WA1232 on February 21, 2016, 04:27:26 PM
All mule deer seasons maybe. Yes. Would you rather have a great experience every other year or a fair to mediocre experience every year? I don't want to further jack this thread. Maybe we should resurrect one of the past threads on this topic.
I have a great experience every year; don't mess with that by making it draw only. Silly direction to go.
Post by: UBA on February 21, 2016, 04:42:51 PM
Post by: Branden on February 21, 2016, 05:39:25 PM
And a couple posts up it was because 20-30 tags would be to much pressure. Now it's because the meat will spoil? Sounds like you just don't want anybody in hunting before you go to me.
For the guys saying permit only wont work. It would. Look at Colorado. The best state to hunt mule deer in. They have killed 300" bucks in units you can draw every year.
Back on topic. Somebody please post a legitimate reason why there should not be a few early archery permits. And don't say cause of the pressure or meat spoilage.
Regards, Branden
Post by: 3nails on February 21, 2016, 06:08:08 PM
Post by: grundy53 on February 21, 2016, 06:12:18 PM
The whole meat spoiling thing is wrong. Nevada opener is in August? Just because you can't keep meat from getting spoiled doesn't mean other hunters can't.You can't just throw out other people's opinions just because you don't agree with them.
And a couple posts up it was because 20-30 tags would be to much pressure. Now it's because the meat will spoil? Sounds like you just don't want anybody in hunting before you go to me.
For the guys saying permit only wont work. It would. Look at Colorado. The best state to hunt mule deer in. They have killed 300" bucks in units you can draw every year.
Back on topic. Somebody please post a legitimate reason why there should not be a few early archery permits. And don't say cause of the pressure or meat spoilage.
Regards, Branden
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Post by: teanawayslayer on February 21, 2016, 07:06:57 PM
The whole meat spoiling thing is wrong. Nevada opener is in August? Just because you can't keep meat from getting spoiled doesn't mean other hunters can't.never had spoiled meat. Thank you. I have seen a lot of animals that have not been taken care of by other hunters. It's just my opinion.
And a couple posts up it was because 20-30 tags would be to much pressure. Now it's because the meat will spoil? Sounds like you just don't want anybody in hunting before you go to me.
For the guys saying permit only wont work. It would. Look at Colorado. The best state to hunt mule deer in. They have killed 300" bucks in units you can draw every year.
Back on topic. Somebody please post a legitimate reason why there should not be a few early archery permits. And don't say cause of the pressure or meat spoilage.
Regards, Branden
Post by: Branden on February 21, 2016, 07:09:44 PM
The whole meat spoiling thing is wrong. Nevada opener is in August? Just because you can't keep meat from getting spoiled doesn't mean other hunters can't.You can't just throw out other people's opinions just because you don't agree with them.
And a couple posts up it was because 20-30 tags would be to much pressure. Now it's because the meat will spoil? Sounds like you just don't want anybody in hunting before you go to me.
For the guys saying permit only wont work. It would. Look at Colorado. The best state to hunt mule deer in. They have killed 300" bucks in units you can draw every year.
Back on topic. Somebody please post a legitimate reason why there should not be a few early archery permits. And don't say cause of the pressure or meat spoilage.
Regards, Branden
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Well first it was to much pressure, then it turned into the meat would spoil. Both imo are wrong. The meat spoiling is definitely wrong. Idaho, Utah, Nevada, and Oregon all have a season starting in August for deer.
If they think 20-30 archery tags per unit is to much pressure, why do they think it's fine for unlimited rifle tags? That makes zero sense.
That's why I said to dispute the original idea with something other then those two arguments.
Regards, Branden
Post by: crabcreekhunter on February 21, 2016, 08:11:27 PM
Man you hit the nail on the head, I love flinging arrows at 90 yards to 130 if the wind is under 10 mph put em in a 36" pie plate regularly.. All kidding aside I am a rifle hunter used to love the high hunt but the pressure has gotten too high, been successful every year I've gone but with 50 rigs at a trail head is getting crazy.. Still don't hardly see any competition but every Tom dick and Harry is whacking immature 3/4 points that are super vulnerable that time of year, over ten years of that pressure it hurts a herd badly. Now I'd rather hunt general not because success is higher but the weather is just more like hunting and less pressure in the wilderness that time just have to hunt different routes. Why make hunting easier with an earlier hunt when you can hunt the same animals in the seasons now but nobody wants to cause it's not shooting fish in a barrel like in August and the rut when they are most vulnerable. Properly cared meat for will be fine in August if done right, same as bear meat in August.I had a conversation a while back with a very knowledgeable individual, probably one of the most on this site about season dates and said they proposed as a group to limit late hunts to decrease pressure (actually looking to manage our herds) and it was shot down because of monetary reasons the main driving force behind a lot of our seasons in our wildlife so called management. I would like to see the high hunt turn to permit only for rifle and I'll give some earlier archery tags as you suggested, but in turn shut down the joke of a hunt the late swakane and Manson archery hunts are, no wonder there is a lack of big mature bucks wintering in those units compared to the surrounding units. Have to give some to win some. The high hunt, if tags are allocated properly should be a quality hunt over a buck hunt in my opinion, with less pressure those hunts would be awesome once again.now why would you take a general season high hunt and make it permit only? There is less people that hunt this season than any other. You must be an archery hunter blowing off steam. :bdid:
Post by: boneaddict on February 21, 2016, 08:25:03 PM
IMO I am not really for that archery guys already have two weeks starting sept 1st-15th to hunt most of the high hunt areas as well as everything else. I feel that is more than adequate time, a lot of these deer get pressured hard from sept 1st until December, even until the first of the year in some gmu's with the raffle, governors, incentive tags plus the Indians doing a lot of damage. Enough is enough sometimes, the fall and early winter is a very crucial time for a mule deers existance. Do your scouting in August, learn an area and it'll pay off in early September, everyone wants more. Just my two cents,I feel the same way. Sorry. They need a break. :sry:
Post by: WA1232 on February 21, 2016, 08:30:13 PM
As for making the high hunt special permit only, I am strongly against that. If you look at the number of bucks taken in the wilderness units each year, its just not that many. Hunt harder or further from the trails if you have a problem with too many people, don't make all but a lucky few sit out every year.
Post by: crabcreekhunter on February 21, 2016, 08:43:51 PM
Post by: WA1232 on February 21, 2016, 08:49:11 PM
Alpine lakes wilderness is 392,000 acres, 2012 155 hunters and 28 bucks taken.
Glacier peak 566,000, 2012 15 bucks from 82 hunters.
Pasayten 531,000, 61 bucks from 315 hunters.
Just not that many bucks taken each year to limit the number of hunters.
Post by: crabcreekhunter on February 21, 2016, 09:05:07 PM
Post by: shanevg on February 22, 2016, 07:03:33 AM
Post by: WashingtonBackcountry on February 22, 2016, 07:53:11 PM
I'll be honest - Pasayten is the only unit I'm that concerned about as I think it's the only unit that doesn't have an archery season. I still can't picture giving a limited number of tags in there would make that much of a difference.
:yeah:
Post by: grundy53 on February 23, 2016, 08:40:06 AM
I'll be honest - Pasayten is the only unit I'm that concerned about as I think it's the only unit that doesn't have an archery season. I still can't picture giving a limited number of tags in there would make that much of a difference.
:yeah:
Maybe it would be easier to just get them to open that unit up to archery.
Post by: Chad E. on February 23, 2016, 11:09:35 AM
But why have another season archery guys already have first crack two weeks before rifle guys, all of rifle season up there and then five days after the high hunt rifle. Not to mention all the surrounding units that are really just as wilderness just not inside geographical boundaries kind of asking for a lot don't ya think, we have it pretty good in this state be happy with hunting every year which is the fun part and the memories. I don't have anything against archery, muzzleloaders, or rifles, we all do it for the same inherent reasons, just voicing my opinion. Get greedy and you start loosing other opportunities just saying.
Great post. I agree 100%
Post by: Bill W on February 23, 2016, 11:52:22 AM
It may just be you are having problems reading the regs as it may list the archery areas by zone and not by "high hunt boundries" as done for modern and muzzle loader.
Post by: shanevg on February 23, 2016, 03:26:07 PM
Are you saying the state changed the regulations for the high hunt? As I remember the high hunt the 10 day season is open for all methods of hunting.
It may just be you are having problems reading the regs as it may list the archery areas by zone and not by "high hunt boundries" as done for modern and muzzle loader.
Unit 203 - Pasayten has no archery season whatsoever. The only way to hunt that unit with your bow is with a rifle/muzzleloader tag during rifle/muzzleloader season.
Post by: Chad E. on February 23, 2016, 03:32:41 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2016, 03:33:10 PM
Why can't you hunt the pasayten with an archery tag during the high hunt? I thought the high hunt was open to all tag holders?
There is technically no such thing as an archery high hunt. Archery seasons are open Sept 1. There's no archery September season open in the Pasayten.
Post by: Chad E. on February 23, 2016, 03:36:00 PM
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2016, 03:38:56 PM
Is this a recent change or has the high hunt always been that way in the pasayten?
This topic came up a couple years ago as well...you're not the first person caught off guard by this. I didn't realize it either until that thread came up.
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Post by: Chad E. on February 23, 2016, 03:45:51 PM
If you look at the regs, the high hunt is mentioned at the top of the modern and muzzleloader general regs. It's not even mentioned on the archery page.
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Sorry I didn't explain myself well I was referring to the fact all the wilderness areas (except pasayten) are open to archery hunting thus the "high hunt" in these zones are open to all tag holders. I didn't realize that the pasayten never opened to archery tags.
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2016, 03:49:09 PM
Post by: Ice Cap on February 23, 2016, 04:02:07 PM
Right, the high hunt is not technically anything special for archery hunters. It's just a regular season like most of the rest of the state is for the archery guys at that point.Except you can only kill a deer with a bow in the wilderness area if you have a multi season tag.
An archery deer tag won't cut it.
Or am I wrong?
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2016, 04:09:19 PM
Right, the high hunt is not technically anything special for archery hunters. It's just a regular season like most of the rest of the state is for the archery guys at that point.Except you can only kill a deer with a bow in the wilderness area if you have a multi season tag.
An archery deer tag won't cut it.
Or am I wrong?
All the other areas are open during the general archery season so you could use your archery tag. I suppose if you had a multiseason tag you could kill a deer with your bow In the Pasayten. .
The other potential downside (that some may not think is a downside)is you'll have to wear your blaze orange if you're hunting the high hunt areas with your bow during the high hunt seasons. Everyone will have to wear orange since there is a rifle season going.
Post by: shanevg on February 23, 2016, 04:21:17 PM
Right, the high hunt is not technically anything special for archery hunters. It's just a regular season like most of the rest of the state is for the archery guys at that point.Except you can only kill a deer with a bow in the wilderness area if you have a multi season tag.
An archery deer tag won't cut it.
Or am I wrong?
All the other areas are open during the general archery season so you could use your archery tag. I suppose if you had a multiseason tag you could kill a deer with your bow In the Pasayten. .
The other potential downside (that some may not think is a downside)is you'll have to wear your blaze orange if you're hunting the high hunt areas with your bow during the high hunt seasons. Everyone will have to wear orange since there is a rifle season going.
Correct, you have to wear stupid hunters orange. (I hate hunters orange!)
And to answer the previous poster's question. You can hunt with your bow during the high buck hunt if you have a rifle, muzzle loader, or multiseason tag. You cannot hunt if you only have an archery tag.
Additionally, I believe all other high hunt units are open for 14 days prior to high buck season (September 1-14) for archery only while the Pasayten is not.
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2016, 04:26:16 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 23, 2016, 04:29:47 PM
Anyone know why it is that the Pasayten is closed?
Probably no reason other than so people hunting the September 15th season get to hunt deer that haven't been pressured yet. Could be something the outfitters wanted. Who knows, it's been that way forever.
Post by: Bill W on February 23, 2016, 06:26:52 PM
That's similar to what I did when I wanted to hunt the bugling season for elk. Rather than petitioning WDFW to open a rifle bugling season I broke out a bow.
Post by: Chad E. on February 23, 2016, 07:35:08 PM
No archery season in the Pasayten... well then I'd suggest you learn to shoot a rifle.
That's similar to what I did when I wanted to hunt the bugling season for elk. Rather than petitioning WDFW to open a rifle bugling season I broke out a bow.
With the availability of the deer multi season tag the need to switch is a non issue. Although I totally agree with shanevg that wearing hunter orange while bow hunting is not exactly awesome.
Post by: jackelope on February 23, 2016, 09:06:21 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 24, 2016, 07:18:47 AM
Correct, need a multi season or modern tag for the pasayten. It's been that way for as long as I remember.
Post by: Odell on February 24, 2016, 09:31:54 AM
Post by: hunt2hunt810 on February 24, 2016, 09:37:12 AM
another 15 days when they already get two other seasons (one of which is durring the rut usually)
Post by: Bill W on February 24, 2016, 09:59:41 AM
Post by: shanevg on February 24, 2016, 10:23:31 AM
Yes archers can wear hunters orange and hunt rifle season if they buy a rifle/muzzie/multiseason tag but they are putting themselves at a distinct disadvantage to everyone else that is hunting by using a primitive weapon.
In regards to some comments saying "elk hunters that want to hunt the rut learn to hunt with a bow, so archers who want to hunt high buck just need to suck it up and hunt the seasons given to them" are really not even comparing remotely comparable situations. The reason archers are allowed to hunt during the rut when elk are more vulnerable is because of the lower success rates that archery hunting provides. If rifle hunters were able to hunt those seasons it'd be a blood bath.
Where that argument does compare is specifically in support of a Pasayten archery season: Rifle hunters DO get tags in nearly every single unit in the state during the elk rut. The tag numbers are extremely low specifically because success rates are so high (over 80% success for most of those hunts.) Those hunts are justified by providing tags for a favorable season to a user group (rifle hunters) that wouldn't otherwise get to hunt that season because the relatively few numbers of animals that are harvested (1-5 elk max per unit.) This proposal would achieve the exact same result! Let archery hunters (who are not able to hunt the Pasayten) have a limited entry opportunity to a unit (Pasayten) that they can't otherwise hunt without 600+ rifle hunters running around. That opportunity is justified as the relatively low number of animals (5-8 deer harvested per year assuming 20-30% success rates for 25 tags) is marginal compared to the overall population in the unit.
And in regards to hunters orange, it really is no detriment to me. I would just as soon there be no hunters orange law in our state and hate wearing it. :)
Post by: boneaddict on February 24, 2016, 10:28:54 AM
Post by: Odell on February 24, 2016, 02:22:48 PM
I want more opportunities for everyone but at some point we need to limit the amount of time the animals are pressured. On years when I want to hunt peseyten I put in for modern. Other years I chase deer with a bow.
Post by: boneaddict on February 24, 2016, 03:02:11 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on February 24, 2016, 03:12:24 PM
Somebody please post a legitimate reason why there should not be a few early archery permits. And don't say cause of the pressure or meat spoilage.
That's why I said to dispute the original idea with something other then those two arguments.
This has me laughing so hard... must be really easy to win arguments when you can censor the opposition :chuckle:
Post by: Bill W on February 24, 2016, 03:15:34 PM
I also wanted to bow hunt during the high hunt. It was simple. I just bought an archery tag and hiked in to where I wanted to hunt.
Post by: Branden on February 24, 2016, 07:40:55 PM
Somebody please post a legitimate reason why there should not be a few early archery permits. And don't say cause of the pressure or meat spoilage.That's why I said to dispute the original idea with something other then those two arguments.
This has me laughing so hard... must be really easy to win arguments when you can censor the opposition :chuckle:
It is way easier haha 😜
I just get tired of reading arguments like the meat will spoil. There are so many states that have deer and elk season in August that meat spoiling is just straw man. California even has a season that opens in July. We have a bear season in August here that I don't see guys on here saying we shouldn't have because the meat will spoil?
And again the pressure issue I think is moot also. 20-30 tags per unit is hardly any pressure at all compared to the unlimited rifle hunters.
In the end it doesn't matter cause I doubt anything will change for a long while. When it does I bet most of the state becomes permit only.
Regards, Branden