Post by: cowboycraig on February 18, 2016, 07:30:06 PM
Extreme risk protective gun order
Another Wonderful Initiative.
http://www.king5.com/media/cinematic/video/80584492/extreme-risk-protective-gun-order/ (http://www.king5.com/media/cinematic/video/80584492/extreme-risk-protective-gun-order/)
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Today the billionaire backed gun prohibition lobby unmasked its newest attack on your rights, a Washington State gun control ballot initiative they intend to call “extreme risk protection orders.”
The anti-rights groups made the announcement in front of TV cameras today in Seattle without even first disclosing any of the language for the proposed initiative.
Click here to donate and oppose the “extreme risk” initiative.
The “extreme risk protection order” bill introduced in the Washington State Legislature and supported by the same anti-gun groups failed to be approved by the Judiciary Committee. The bill introduced in the legislature featured the following:
- Lose your guns and your gun rights for at least one year
Accusation by one person of being a “risk” can lead to losing your rights
Among the “risks” are recently acquiring a firearm or ammunition, or even drinking alcohol
No right to a formal appeal hearing, erasing your due process rights
Guns can be confiscated without being arrested or convicted of a crime
Guns can be confiscated without adjudication or treatment for mental illness
False accusation is not a felony
Disobeying the order is not a felony
A law like this would be ripe for abuse in every divorce, breakup, and countless other domestic, family, and household disputes.
Billionaires like Michael Bloomberg, Nick Hanaur, Paul Allen, Bill Gates, and Steve Ballmer will no doubt give millions to this new anti-gun initiative effort to buy the election. At the beginning of the fight over I-594 they claimed they had the support of 80 to 90 percent of Washingtonians. But on Election Day, that only turned out to be 59 percent, even after they spent tens of millions to mislead voters.
We need your help opposing this new law. Please donate today.
In Freedom,
The Protect Our Gun Rights Team
PS: Please forward this email to your friends. We need to get the word out.
Craig
Post by: HunterStrait on February 18, 2016, 07:36:44 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on February 18, 2016, 07:39:11 PM
Washington is becoming California 2.0 :mor:That is the Seattle goal. Don't think the rest of the state likes the idea. No choice in the matter. Never is with totalitarianism.
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Post by: UrbanTrapper on February 18, 2016, 08:31:15 PM
Post by: Humptulips on February 18, 2016, 08:31:49 PM
Post by: cowboycraig on February 18, 2016, 08:36:19 PM
How can that not be unconstitutional?Those pushing it know it isn't.
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Post by: cowboycraig on February 18, 2016, 08:38:16 PM
We really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.And the west side could join CA. Everyone could be happy.
But for some reasons totalitarianism likes the taste of its enemies suffering.
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on February 18, 2016, 08:41:36 PM
We really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.
Now that is a great idea!!!!!! :IBCOOL:
Post by: Little Dave on February 18, 2016, 10:16:44 PM
I believe we would have a stronger union if people did not propose bad laws for fear of frozen assets and jail time.
Post by: Humptulips on February 19, 2016, 08:51:37 AM
Our system could be improved some if there was some form of certification that proposed initiatives to the people or bills in the legislature would not be ruled unconstitutional. The way I see this, it is a passive form of treason and the penalty should be the same as treason.I believe the Secretary of State has to approve Initiatives for the ballot. Not sure what kind of constitutional screening he gives them.
I believe we would have a stronger union if people did not propose bad laws for fear of frozen assets and jail time.
Post by: JDHasty on February 19, 2016, 08:55:17 AM
a) if you steal a firearm you are going to prison for five years, no early release no parole etc, for each firearm stolen.
b) if you are in possession of a stolen firearm you are going to prison for five years, no early release no parole etc, for each stolen firearm in your possession.
c) if you commit a crime while you have a stolen firearm on your person, you are going to prison for twenty years ON TOP OF ANY OTHER SENTENCE, no early release no parole etc, for each firearm stolen.
This ballot measure would also demand that a database be available online in which ANYONE could check to see if a firearm they were considering had ever been reported stolen.
And remember:
The NRA-ILA is not going to be of any help in fighting this latest ballot measure, they are now a wholly owned subsidiary of the establishment Republicans.GOA is a much better place to donate to protect and preserve the Second Amendment right now. Still donate to support the hunter safety and competition that the NRA supports, but don't give to the NRA-ILA or NRA-PVF and I say this as a Benefactor member and father of three Life members of the NRA.
Post by: cowboycraig on February 19, 2016, 09:18:18 AM
Our system could be improved some if there was some form of certification that proposed initiatives to the people or bills in the legislature would not be ruled unconstitutional. The way I see this, it is a passive form of treason and the penalty should be the same as treason.I believe the Secretary of State has to approve Initiatives for the ballot. Not sure what kind of constitutional screening he gives them.
I believe we would have a stronger union if people did not propose bad laws for fear of frozen assets and jail time.
She can be contacted via her website. http://www.sos.wa.gov/
(http://www.sos.wa.gov/)
Craig
Post by: Henrydog on February 19, 2016, 09:21:19 AM
I could not agree more with your ILA comments. My 13 year old son is the 4th generation in my family of NRA life members. It was grandpa's gift to a newborn. I am a Benefactor, my dad an endowment Life. I wrote a letter to the ILA post 594 and asked what their plan was now, challenge in court?, and why they did not do any proactive fighting the bill like they did 20 years ago with 696 when Charleton Heston came and did a speaking tour and print ads where everywhere.
I got back a very snotty reply that said they did everything they could and I needed to give more money. I was so upset with the arrogance and tone of the letter I almost resigned.
Post by: cowboycraig on February 19, 2016, 09:47:17 AM
Until there is no money in gun control for politicians and initiatives fail (this would take Seattlights reading Emerson's Self Reliance rather than the communist manifesto), this will be a yearly thing until WA is CA.
These politics are no more than "people hurting others they don't like via the violence of the state". Those that don't like guns, or self reliance, or people with self respect and decency, Emerson readers, etc... can sit back and watch their enemies suffer.
I am not a Noam Chomsky fan at all. But he does speak the truth saying, "A successful democracy turns humanities natural aspirations into hopelessness". When I see garbage legislation like this, and the retarded masses clapping for it, I certainly feel hopeless.
Post by: JDHasty on February 19, 2016, 10:22:55 AM
@JDHasty
I could not agree more with your ILA comments. My 13 year old son is the 4th generation in my family of NRA life members. It was grandpa's gift to a newborn. I am a Benefactor, my dad an endowment Life. I wrote a letter to the ILA post 594 and asked what their plan was now, challenge in court?, and why they did not do any proactive fighting the bill like they did 20 years ago with 696 when Charleton Heston came and did a speaking tour and print ads where everywhere.
I got back a very snotty reply that said they did everything they could and I needed to give more money. I was so upset with the arrogance and tone of the letter I almost resigned.
The ILA and NRA-PVF is infested with Washington DC establishment types who are just too cozy with the eGOP. Do not resign, the NRA needs your support for Firearms Safety and Competition that they sponsor and no one does that better. There is a general housecleaning in need within the ILA and PVF and until that happens send your Second Amendment donations to GOA.
The Endowment, Patron & Benefactor levels what are known as "Super Life" members and basically what that means is that you have given a certain amount of money in support over the years. You don't get any additional benefits, you just get recognition for a lifetime of contributions. And "snotty" is just them warming up. There are some real pieces of work entrenched within that ILA/PVF den of inequity.
Post by: cowboycraig on February 19, 2016, 10:30:47 AM
@JDHasty
I could not agree more with your ILA comments. My 13 year old son is the 4th generation in my family of NRA life members. It was grandpa's gift to a newborn. I am a Benefactor, my dad an endowment Life. I wrote a letter to the ILA post 594 and asked what their plan was now, challenge in court?, and why they did not do any proactive fighting the bill like they did 20 years ago with 696 when Charleton Heston came and did a speaking tour and print ads where everywhere.
I got back a very snotty reply that said they did everything they could and I needed to give more money. I was so upset with the arrogance and tone of the letter I almost resigned.
The ILA and NRA-PVF is infested with Washington DC establishment types who are just too cozy with the eGOP. DO not resign, the NRA needs your support for Firearms Safety and Competition that they sponsor and no one does that better. There is a general housecleaning in need within the ILA and PVF and until that happens send your Second Amendment donations to GOA.
If the ILA and NRA-PVF don't make money, they will change their game. Sadly don't think many their care about Liberty or the Constitution, but $ talks. They will serve whoever pays them most just like any other Mercenary.
Post by: JDHasty on February 19, 2016, 10:37:21 AM
@JDHasty
I could not agree more with your ILA comments. My 13 year old son is the 4th generation in my family of NRA life members. It was grandpa's gift to a newborn. I am a Benefactor, my dad an endowment Life. I wrote a letter to the ILA post 594 and asked what their plan was now, challenge in court?, and why they did not do any proactive fighting the bill like they did 20 years ago with 696 when Charleton Heston came and did a speaking tour and print ads where everywhere.
I got back a very snotty reply that said they did everything they could and I needed to give more money. I was so upset with the arrogance and tone of the letter I almost resigned.
The ILA and NRA-PVF is infested with Washington DC establishment types who are just too cozy with the eGOP. DO not resign, the NRA needs your support for Firearms Safety and Competition that they sponsor and no one does that better. There is a general housecleaning in need within the ILA and PVF and until that happens send your Second Amendment donations to GOA.
If the ILA and NRA-PVF don't make money, they will change their game. Sadly don't think many their care about Liberty or the Constitution, but $ talks. They will serve whoever pays them most just like any other Mercenary.
They absolutely do not impress me as being the least bit sincere or committed, and when you throw in the times I have been lied to by them regarding what they were committed to do... .. . Let's just say: I have no confidence in them at all any longer.
Post by: Henrydog on February 19, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Post by: lamrith on February 20, 2016, 03:44:50 AM
What I would propose is to box the leftists/stateists in by putting a separate measure on the ballot that says:I agree with the sentiment entirely, lock up criminals and throw away the key. But absolutes breed victims as well. That gun you just went and bought from whatever forum could have been stolen. Bgc does not require serial number run thru dB and people do not always, report immediately. Now 3yrs later you use it in SD and now you got to prison as it comes up stolen.
a) if you steal a firearm you are going to prison for five years, no early release no parole etc, for each firearm stolen.
b) if you are in possession of a stolen firearm you are going to prison for five years, no early release no parole etc, for each stolen firearm in your possession.
c) if you commit a crime while you have a stolen firearm on your person, you are going to prison for twenty years ON TOP OF ANY OTHER SENTENCE, no early release no parole etc, for each firearm stolen.
This ballot measure would also demand that a database be available online in which ANYONE could check to see if a firearm they were considering had ever been reported stolen.
And remember:
The NRA-ILA is not going to be of any help in fighting this latest ballot measure, they are now a wholly owned subsidiary of the establishment Republicans.GOA is a much better place to donate to protect and preserve the Second Amendment right now. Still donate to support the hunter safety and competition that the NRA supports, but don't give to the NRA-ILA or NRA-PVF and I say this as a Benefactor member and father of three Life members of the NRA.
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Post by: Fl0und3rz on February 20, 2016, 05:57:29 AM
If this wins, expect more.
Until there is no money in gun control for politicians and initiatives fail (this would take Seattlights reading Emerson's Self Reliance rather than the communist manifesto), this will be a yearly thing until WA is CA.
These politics are no more than "people hurting others they don't like via the violence of the state". Those that don't like guns, or self reliance, or people with self respect and decency, Emerson readers, etc... can sit back and watch their enemies suffer.
I am not a Noam Chomsky fan at all. But he does speak the truth saying, "A successful democracy turns humanities natural aspirations into hopelessness". When I see garbage legislation like this, and the retarded masses clapping for it, I certainly feel hopeless.
Well said.
Post by: Stein on February 20, 2016, 08:03:08 AM
Post by: JDHasty on February 20, 2016, 08:10:25 AM
This will pass, unfortunately they found a path that will work for their agenda.
And thanks to the NRA-ILA not showing up they think they have an easy mark. Why would they think any different? Washington Gun owners have been supporting the NRA-ILA for decades, but the loyalty and money only flows one way with the ILA.
Post by: Igor on February 20, 2016, 08:51:42 AM
The NRA-ILA does not have the funds to battle every anti-gun cause that comes along. In the State of Washington they are currently involved in the fight against Seattle’s new tax on firearms and ammunition. They were there at the beginning of the fight, and they are currently involved in the legal appeals of Judge Robinson's ruling.
So, contribute to whichever group you like, but I think that bad-mouthing the NRA is just plain foolish. They do pick-and-choose their legal fights, but they have won many legal battles over the years in support of your gun rights.
Just my 2¢.
Post by: cboom on February 20, 2016, 09:58:12 AM
You can throw all of the little "Look at me, I hate the NRA tantrums that you like", but you are cutting off your nose to spite your face, IMO.
The NRA-ILA does not have the funds to battle every anti-gun cause that comes along. In the State of Washington they are currently involved in the fight against Seattle’s new tax on firearms and ammunition. They were there at the beginning of the fight, and they are currently involved in the legal appeals of Judge Robinson's ruling.
So, contribute to whichever group you like, but I think that bad-mouthing the NRA is just plain foolish. They do pick-and-choose their legal fights, but they have won many legal battles over the years in support of your gun rights.
Just my 2¢.
:yeah: Hasty's trolling continues to ramp up.......
Post by: Igor on February 20, 2016, 10:24:35 AM
Guess which organization was there to fight it, and kill it ?? Why, the NRA, of course, with the help of other gun rights groups.
Read all about it here:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/mar/18/shawn-vestal-gun-rights-advocates-take-risk-by/
And here:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150216/washington-radical-anti-gun-bill-to-be-heard-in-committee-this-week
Post by: JDHasty on February 20, 2016, 11:55:04 AM
You can throw all of the little "Look at me, I hate the NRA" tantrums that you like, but you are cutting off your nose to spite your face, IMO.
The NRA-ILA does not have the funds to battle every anti-gun cause that comes along. In the State of Washington they are currently involved in the fight against Seattle’s new tax on firearms and ammunition. They were there at the beginning of the fight, and they are currently involved in the legal appeals of Judge Robinson's ruling.
So, contribute to whichever group you like, but I think that bad-mouthing the NRA is just plain foolish. They do pick-and-choose their legal fights, but they have won many legal battles over the years in support of your gun rights.
Just my 2¢.
I do not hate the NRA, but I despise the NRA-ILA and for good reason. The same reason I despise the establishment Republicans.
Post by: Igor on February 20, 2016, 12:00:39 PM
And remember:
The NRA-ILA is not going to be of any help in fighting this latest ballot measure, they are now a wholly owned subsidiary of the establishment Republicans.
I'll refresh your memory:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/mar/18/shawn-vestal-gun-rights-advocates-take-risk-by/
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150216/washington-radical-anti-gun-bill-to-be-heard-in-committee-this-week
It's one thing to have your own personal agenda, for whatever reason. But it's quite another to mis-state the facts in support of that agenda !!
Post by: JDHasty on February 20, 2016, 02:40:33 PM
Care to defend your statement in light of my links?
And remember:
The NRA-ILA is not going to be of any help in fighting this latest ballot measure, they are now a wholly owned subsidiary of the establishment Republicans.
I'll refresh your memory:
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2015/mar/18/shawn-vestal-gun-rights-advocates-take-risk-by/
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150216/washington-radical-anti-gun-bill-to-be-heard-in-committee-this-week
It's one thing to have your own personal agenda, for whatever reason. But it's quite another to mis-state the facts in support of that agenda !!
OK, I will rephrase that: The NRA-ILA is not going to be of much help if past performance is anything to go by. I have never said they don't lift a finger, what I have said is there are better advocates at this time. GOA being an excellent example and IMHO donations that are directed toward defeating this latest threat are better spent going to GOA whose efforts will be more commensurate to the resources they have available.
Gun Owners of America, a Lobbying Group, Grows in Influence – NYTimes.com
While it might be increasingly potent, the group is not rich.
Gun Owners of America’s total revenue in 2011 was less than $2 million, compared with the N.R.A.’s nearly $220 million. The group spent $1.3 million last year to lobby Congress, while the N.R.A. spent nearly $3 million. Its campaign contributions last year were $119,850, placing it at 2,669 on a list of 20,968 lobbying groups ranked by the Center for Responsive Politics. The N.R.A. spent $1.5 million, putting it at 230th. Gun Owners of America has 300,000 dues-paying members; the N.R.A. has five million.
So, GOA spent more than half its total revenue trying to defend our gun rights, while the mighty NRA spent less than 1.5 percent of its revenues doing likewise?
Post by: JDHasty on February 20, 2016, 02:46:16 PM
The leftists know who they should be most concerned with:
7 Gun Groups That Make the NRA Look Reasonable
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/gun-appreciation-day-groups
Post by: Wacenturion on February 20, 2016, 04:00:31 PM
How can that not be unconstitutional?
It's not.....if it gets nay traction, then NRA and others should immediately attack it legally. To be honest these moronic initiatives should be thrown out by the courts before they go anywhere. The 2nd Amendment rights are rights, not open to change based on how somebody feels. Just sick of this crap.
Post by: jasnt on February 20, 2016, 04:25:55 PM
:yeah:We really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.
Now that is a great idea!!!!!! :IBCOOL:
Post by: JDHasty on February 20, 2016, 06:01:54 PM
How can that not be unconstitutional?
It's not.....if it gets nay traction, then NRA and others should immediately attack it legally. To be honest these moronic initiatives should be thrown out by the courts before they go anywhere. The 2nd Amendment rights are rights, not open to change based on how somebody feels. Just sick of this crap.
That is where I an coming from and the NRA-ILA, much like the eGOP, doesn't have it in them under current leadership to get out there and attack "firstest with the mostest." IMHO, they have become too bureaucratic.
Post by: steen on February 20, 2016, 07:33:06 PM
There are probably more on the Westside on the same page as the Eastside , just for the simple reason there are just plain 10 times as many!! Quit being part of the problem with blame, just sayin!!!!We really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.And the west side could join CA. Everyone could be happy.
But for some reasons totalitarianism likes the taste of its enemies suffering.
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Post by: emac on February 20, 2016, 09:55:45 PM
What are you trying to say. I am trying to figure it out but can't computeThere are probably more on the Westside on the same page as the Eastside , just for the simple reason there are just plain 10 times as many!! Quit being part of the problem with blame, just sayin!!!!We really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.And the west side could join CA. Everyone could be happy.
But for some reasons totalitarianism likes the taste of its enemies suffering.
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Post by: emac on February 21, 2016, 12:27:31 PM
Ok I follow now. Also it looks like 9 counties voted no on the bear baitingThere are more people on the westside that are against the prog causes than there are on the eastside. By percentages, the eastside usually wins out in that category (like for 594 which was mostly westside). But if you take a look at say 655 (hounds and bear baiting), http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/results_report.aspx?e=17&c=&c2=&t=&t2=5&p=&p2=&y= (http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/results_report.aspx?e=17&c=&c2=&t=&t2=5&p=&p2=&y=) click on county breakdown, every county in the state voted for it. The highest percentage of no votes was actually a westside county--Grays Harbor; the narrowest margin in absolute votes was Pend Oreille. King county had more no votes than the entire eastside did--220K vs 180K, King and Spokane counties were similar in the vote.What are you trying to say. I am trying to figure it out but can't computeThere are probably more on the Westside on the same page as the Eastside , just for the simple reason there are just plain 10 times as many!! Quit being part of the problem with blame, just sayin!!!!We really ought to start talking seriously about that idea of having Eastern WA and Eastern OR join the State of Idaho.And the west side could join CA. Everyone could be happy.
But for some reasons totalitarianism likes the taste of its enemies suffering.
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Post by: JimmyHoffa on February 21, 2016, 02:55:03 PM