Post by: bearpaw on March 12, 2016, 10:49:55 PM
I heard a rumor there are potential sheriff candidates who want to bring control of important issues back to county government?
- Effective Predator Management (wolves, cougar, etc)
- Hound Hunting Seasons
- Return to Traditional Trapping
- Restore Deer and Elk Herds
- Logging & Grazing for Fire Prevention
- Reopen Road Closures, Allow Land Use
- Eliminate Discover Pass
I don't know enough about county government to know if county officials could actually do these things but I do know there's a lot of interest and the rumor I heard is there are candidates considering these issues as their platform for sheriff in Stevens County and Ferry County and they are encouraging candidates in other counties.
I thought it might be interesting to see what people think?
Post by: bigtex on March 12, 2016, 11:05:16 PM
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Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on March 13, 2016, 12:34:59 AM
Post by: REHJWA on March 13, 2016, 01:57:52 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 13, 2016, 08:44:28 AM
Not sure I trust any politician to effectively manage wildlife, look how lobist have influenced elections... Small county governments could be bought or threaten with lawsuits that cripple the minority of hunters, trappers, fisherman... This smells of politics..
It is definitely all about politics, people in NE WA and other rural areas are tired of the 5 million people in the I-5 corridor determining every aspect of how we live. I imagine rural westside counties have the same problem.
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 13, 2016, 08:50:40 AM
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on March 13, 2016, 08:54:06 AM
I live in one of the most premier places left in Western Washington ..Have everything a guy could dream of but they have us in lock down ! One of the best rivers known to man ...Now run by the Tribes ... Some of the best elk hunting around ...Now run by the tribes ! I am seriously calling BS !Not sure I trust any politician to effectively manage wildlife, look how lobist have influenced elections... Small county governments could be bought or threaten with lawsuits that cripple the minority of hunters, trappers, fisherman... This smells of politics..
It is definitely all about politics, people in NE WA and other rural areas are tired of the 5 million people in the I-5 corridor determining every aspect of how we live. I imagine rural westside counties have the same problem.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on March 13, 2016, 09:14:50 AM
Post by: jasnt on March 13, 2016, 09:45:09 AM
Get Conservation Northwest and every other anti-everything out of the scene. They are the ones who are destroying everything we have, as hunters,fishermen, ATV riding and the recreationalists. They have a choke hold on the people who supposedly run the government and the government itself...:yeah: if we could get those terrorist out of the picture a lot of things would be different here.
A lot of us feel we are getting shang hi'ed by the liberals on the left coast. Every year we loose more and more and this year it's looking like we are going to loose some more :bash:
There has to be some way to preserve our culture and heritage!
Post by: dwils233 on March 13, 2016, 09:46:12 AM
Post by: huntnphool on March 13, 2016, 09:55:20 AM
Post by: bigtex on March 13, 2016, 10:06:12 AM
Post by: baldopepper on March 13, 2016, 10:58:24 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on March 13, 2016, 11:16:29 AM
Post by: dwils233 on March 13, 2016, 11:17:58 AM
I think we sometimes forget that every county east of the cascades is a tax negative county (meaning for every dollar they pay in state taxes they receive more than a dollar back, ferry county gets over $3.00 back as an example). I spend almost an equal amount of time on both sides of the state and hear arguments from both sides. Both sides have good points, but I will say that those on the westside say that if the east side counties want more say, let them pay their own way. (King county residents only get 62 cents back for every dollar they pay in state taxes). I think before we start talking about taking away the westside influence on the east side, we have to quit taking their money.
I don't forget that but I fail to see correlation between that and the original question. Its not as much an issue of money/taxes as it is making informed decisions about land and wildlife usage. I don't think anyone on the east side tries to dictate the ferry schedules: not because we don't pay for it but because we aren't informed decision-makers for that process.
And while the eastside may be tax negative, it is energy positive which the west side often seems to happily overlook in that equation.
Post by: cboom on March 13, 2016, 11:44:15 AM
Post by: huntnphool on March 13, 2016, 11:46:42 AM
Would also love to see licenses sold by the counties with non residents paying a much higher rate.
They do pay a much higher rate, in the form of goods/services in those areas. ;)
Post by: baldopepper on March 13, 2016, 11:50:00 AM
Post by: buckfvr on March 13, 2016, 12:38:23 PM
WDFW is a total failure that has two kinds of people......those who try and make you think what they do and say is good stuff, and those who are so disgusted to the point that they clam up and go through the motions in order to keep their jobs and retirement..........go to a meeting and see for yourself.
Post by: REHJWA on March 13, 2016, 01:11:44 PM
Id support a vote so long as qualifications for a potential manager included being a very long time resident of the area he sought appointment to. A volunteer citizen oversight committee would need to be in place and rotated out every two years. Biggest problem would be keeping rid of politically higher motivated persons that would circumvent the intentions of this type of system and ultimately cooperate with connections that may have different goals.
WDFW is a total failure that has two kinds of people......those who try and make you think what they do and say is good stuff, and those who are so disgusted to the point that they clam up and go through the motions in order to keep their jobs and retirement..........go to a meeting and see for yourself.
This isn't restricted to the WDFW, it seems to be State wide....if you don't tow the party line they move you into jobs where you get feed up and quit or can't make waves.....then if you do kiss a$$ you can be incompetent and get promoted....
Is this much different at the county level.... :dunno:
Post by: buckfvr on March 13, 2016, 01:36:42 PM
Post by: Romeo 2-6 on March 13, 2016, 03:09:49 PM
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Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 13, 2016, 04:37:52 PM
Post by: buckfvr on March 13, 2016, 04:57:23 PM
Post by: bearpaw on March 14, 2016, 12:03:17 PM
Post by: Special T on March 14, 2016, 12:45:24 PM
Post by: Cpt._Herd_Cow on March 16, 2016, 10:42:23 AM
Get Conservation Northwest and every other anti-everything out of the scene. They are the ones who are destroying everything we have, as hunters,fishermen, ATV riding and the recreationalists. They have a choke hold on the people who supposedly run the government and the government itself...:yeah: if we could get those terrorist out of the picture a lot of things would be different here.
A lot of us feel we are getting shang hi'ed by the liberals on the left coast. Every year we loose more and more and this year it's looking like we are going to loose some more :bash:
There has to be some way to preserve our culture and heritage!
The problem is that no one realizes they are preservationists and not conservationists - two titles that have very different meanings. They want no use, not wise use, and the problem is we as humans have made too much of an impact on this planet for the no use (aka letting nature take its course) argument to be effective by any means. People and animals would suffer from that type of policy. Our biggest problem is these types of groups are organized, they have a voice, and they bring that voice to the table when and where it counts.
Post by: bearpaw on March 16, 2016, 11:16:13 AM
Get Conservation Northwest and every other anti-everything out of the scene. They are the ones who are destroying everything we have, as hunters,fishermen, ATV riding and the recreationalists. They have a choke hold on the people who supposedly run the government and the government itself...:yeah: if we could get those terrorist out of the picture a lot of things would be different here.
A lot of us feel we are getting shang hi'ed by the liberals on the left coast. Every year we loose more and more and this year it's looking like we are going to loose some more :bash:
There has to be some way to preserve our culture and heritage!
The problem is that no one realizes they are preservationists and not conservationists - two titles that have very different meanings. They want no use, not wise use, and the problem is we as humans have made too much of an impact on this planet for the no use (aka letting nature take its course) argument to be effective by any means. People and animals would suffer from that type of policy. Our biggest problem is these types of groups are organized, they have a voice, and they bring that voice to the table when and where it counts.
:yeah: exactly, well said
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 16, 2016, 01:05:44 PM
As a former WDFW employee who has worked for three state wildlife agencies, I'd say the technical people are as bright, educated and skilled as any state's. There is some of the dead wood found in every government agency, a majority who are competent and dedicated, and some who are defeated and counting the years to retirement (WDFW probably has a higher percentage of the last category than other states). It is the policy level which sucks, and the reason it sucks is because it is part of Washington state government; which is a large, wasteful, inefficient and corrupt state government. There are good policy level individuals, who do what good they can but don't rock the boat, because that makes them a target for retribution. There are the ones that were defeated at the technical level, who said F-it, and took the promotion for a better retirement, and just do what the higher level policy people tell them. And then there are politicians, who jump at the chance to move up, have no problem with the status quo, accept that the corruption and graft is the way the state does business, and curry favor from the higher ups (which ultimately comes down through the Governor's office or influential legislators).Id support a vote so long as qualifications for a potential manager included being a very long time resident of the area he sought appointment to. A volunteer citizen oversight committee would need to be in place and rotated out every two years. Biggest problem would be keeping rid of politically higher motivated persons that would circumvent the intentions of this type of system and ultimately cooperate with connections that may have different goals.
WDFW is a total failure that has two kinds of people......those who try and make you think what they do and say is good stuff, and those who are so disgusted to the point that they clam up and go through the motions in order to keep their jobs and retirement..........go to a meeting and see for yourself.
This isn't restricted to the WDFW, it seems to be State wide....if you don't tow the party line they move you into jobs where you get feed up and quit or can't make waves.....then if you do kiss a$$ you can be incompetent and get promoted....
Is this much different at the county level.... :dunno: