Post by: Jonathan_S on March 15, 2016, 11:17:31 AM
It is a 4 man tipi. Room for 2 and gear and a stove with tons of extra leg room and walking space. Total weight is 6 lbs 10 ounces. It is 9' 6" high and about 11' wide at any given point. I have had it up during 40+ mph winds and heavy rain with no issues or leaking.
It is too big for solo trips but perfect for when I am with anyone else. I am far from an expert but for questions on materials etc. please feel free to ask.
Jon
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 15, 2016, 11:40:07 AM
I have been thinking about a Kifaru or building my own. I'd like to get my boys out in the wetter seasons, but I would definitely want something to be able to dry them out and warm them up.
Materials?
Sources?
Costs?
Did you sew it yourself? What kind of machine was necessary?
Seam seal?
What kind/size of stove are you planning on using?
Tests, yet?
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 15, 2016, 12:57:27 PM
That's pretty cool. Congrats on the fine job.
I have been thinking about a Kifaru or building my own. I'd like to get my boys out in the wetter seasons, but I would definitely want something to be able to dry them out and warm them up.
Materials?
Sources?
Costs?
Did you sew it yourself? What kind of machine was necessary?
Seam seal?
What kind/size of stove are you planning on using?
Tests, yet?
Thanks man, material is silnylon. 1.5 oz variety. The top cone is Cordura. I sewed it myself using 100% polyester thread. Machine is just a regular machine... Sorry I know almost nothing about sewing machines. Total cost for material was about $70 for silnylon, $45 for the center pole, $40 for the stove jack from TiGoat, $15 for thread $12 for zipper, $5 for nylon webbing and maybe $5 for the brass grommets.
Stove wil be a TiGoat cylinder stove.
Tests only in the winds at home and a few rain storms. Sean sealed using Sil Net from Gear Aid. The material is waterproof already so only seams required it. The zipper is water repellant.
Post by: coop2424 on March 15, 2016, 12:59:41 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 15, 2016, 01:01:24 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 15, 2016, 01:25:30 PM
Sounds like you put a thought into it. Did you make a pattern or download one?
Just designed it somewhat on paper and started going crazy with scissors. I cut 11' sections of 60" wide fabric. Then made a triangle that was 60" wide on one end and tapered to a point at the far center. The two remaining pieces could be sewed into a triangle of the same size. Eight of those completed the pattern.
Post by: rosscrazyelk on March 17, 2016, 05:12:04 PM
Nice looking tent
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 17, 2016, 07:40:09 PM
Good work!
Seriously tho that is a sweet project!
Post by: Shawn Ryan on March 17, 2016, 08:40:42 PM
Post by: jackmaster on March 17, 2016, 08:48:15 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 17, 2016, 08:56:40 PM
That is sweet dude, super lite weight as well, I would be packing that tent everywhere, like others have said, it wont he long and people are gonna ask you to build them one.. cool idea and awesome tent..
I cannot wait to build another one either for myself or somebody else. I already know that I can build one much lighter and more efficient.
Thanks for the positive comments everyone.
And yes I am quite the housewife
Post by: Jason on March 17, 2016, 09:12:50 PM
Seriously though nice job! :tup:
Post by: syoungs on March 17, 2016, 09:27:18 PM
Been wanting to tackle this exact thing for a while now!
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 17, 2016, 09:34:40 PM
Post by: syoungs on March 17, 2016, 11:11:10 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 18, 2016, 04:54:37 AM
Post by: jbeaumont21 on March 18, 2016, 10:24:10 AM
Thanks for posting!
Post by: Stickerbush on March 18, 2016, 10:27:27 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 18, 2016, 10:52:18 AM
Great job! I'm guessing there is no floor to it correct? Would love to see the setup from inside if you have any more photos to share.
Thanks for posting!
I will take some sometime. No floor correct
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on March 18, 2016, 10:56:14 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 18, 2016, 07:49:38 PM
That is awesome; what a fine mountain abode you've made!
Thank you!
Post by: Smossy on March 18, 2016, 08:00:45 PM
Great work J
I dont feel like doing projects as much as Id like to these days. Looks like Ill probably wind up buying a Kifaru T-P
Post by: Whitpirate on March 18, 2016, 08:18:39 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on March 18, 2016, 08:26:29 PM
Someone place the first order already so we can get this man to an early retirement!we've talked 8)
Great work J
I dont feel like doing projects as much as Id like to these days. Looks like Ill probably wind up buying a Kifaru T-P
Post by: 7mmfan on March 18, 2016, 11:06:21 PM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on March 19, 2016, 07:31:35 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 19, 2016, 08:10:55 AM
I've been wanting to tackle a six man teepee for awhile but always declined due to material costs. I built a gore-tex bivy 16 yrs ago with surplus goretex, but now want something with a heater. Just might have to start!
Silnylon is so much cheaper than gore-tex. Of course it won't breath as well but for a tent with a stove and no floor...breathability is not as important. The website I purchased from sells by the linear yard so each yard is 36"x60" and costs well under $10
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 25, 2016, 11:19:38 AM
Someone place the first order already so we can get this man to an early retirement!
Great work J
I dont feel like doing projects as much as Id like to these days. Looks like Ill probably wind up buying a Kifaru T-P
Hey bro, I don't mean to solicit you here but a Kifaru Tipi is BIG money. I'd be happy to put something together if you could cover materials. It might not be a Kifaru but I can make it for a fraction of the cost.
Post by: BIGDOG253 on March 25, 2016, 11:49:58 AM
That is sweet dude, super lite weight as well, I would be packing that tent everywhere, like others have said, it wont he long and people are gonna ask you to build them one.. cool idea and awesome tent..
I cannot wait to build another one either for myself or somebody else. I already know that I can build one much lighter and more efficient.
Thanks for the positive comments everyone.
And yes I am quite the housewife
Great work! What would you change to make it lighter and more efficient? And you should post some pics of the inside :tup:
Post by: Jonathan_S on March 25, 2016, 12:09:03 PM
That is sweet dude, super lite weight as well, I would be packing that tent everywhere, like others have said, it wont he long and people are gonna ask you to build them one.. cool idea and awesome tent..
I cannot wait to build another one either for myself or somebody else. I already know that I can build one much lighter and more efficient.
Thanks for the positive comments everyone.
And yes I am quite the housewife
Great work! What would you change to make it lighter and more efficient? And you should post some pics of the inside :tup:
I would make it a different angle so shorter center pole and shorter lengths of fabric. Then I would make my stake points out of narrow webbing instead of thick webbing and grommets. I calculate a 5.5# total with those changes
Post by: jackmaster on March 25, 2016, 04:57:02 PM
you should do a price list and a total cost with the changes your talking about and post it up, you might be surprised how many orders you get, I know I will order one when I have the extra coin, it would be nice to not always have to use my big ass walltentThat is sweet dude, super lite weight as well, I would be packing that tent everywhere, like others have said, it wont he long and people are gonna ask you to build them one.. cool idea and awesome tent..
I cannot wait to build another one either for myself or somebody else. I already know that I can build one much lighter and more efficient.
Thanks for the positive comments everyone.
And yes I am quite the housewife
Great work! What would you change to make it lighter and more efficient? And you should post some pics of the inside :tup:
I would make it a different angle so shorter center pole and shorter lengths of fabric. Then I would make my stake points out of narrow webbing instead of thick webbing and grommets. I calculate a 5.5# total with those changes
Post by: Smossy on March 25, 2016, 09:57:46 PM
Just seen this, Thats a hell of an offer. Thanks man.. May need to take you up on that + Compensation of course. Would help you get better and better to.Someone place the first order already so we can get this man to an early retirement!
Great work J
I dont feel like doing projects as much as Id like to these days. Looks like Ill probably wind up buying a Kifaru T-P
Hey bro, I don't mean to solicit you here but a Kifaru Tipi is BIG money. I'd be happy to put something together if you could cover materials. It might not be a Kifaru but I can make it for a fraction of the cost.
Post by: zackmioli on March 29, 2016, 11:50:19 PM
Post by: jasnt on March 30, 2016, 05:59:24 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 12, 2016, 07:17:50 AM
Did you go with a circular footprint like the Seek Outside or an oval like the Kifaru?
Post by: BigTines on July 12, 2016, 07:56:00 AM
Post by: coop2424 on July 12, 2016, 08:28:01 AM
Post by: jasnt on July 12, 2016, 12:17:08 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 12, 2016, 07:15:53 PM
Silnylon does stretch a bit when wet but can be readjusted in a few seconds. For those who hate stretch, silpoly is there too.
I added a TiGoat stove a while back and fell in love with this system.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 12, 2016, 07:18:12 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 12, 2016, 07:31:37 PM
Lessons learned, besides size and silnylon vs. silpoly?
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 12, 2016, 07:38:54 PM
Very nice.
Lessons learned, besides size and silnylon vs. silpoly?
Yeah lesson would be, don't be afraid to make it really freakin lightweight. As long as your stake points and top cone are solid material ( in my case Cordura ) then let your premium lightweight fabrics earn their keep. This tent is under 3.5 lbs and could sleep two men and gear. Also being careful to not stretch the fabrics while sewing. Oh and these are round in shape, not oval.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 12, 2016, 07:47:42 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 12, 2016, 07:50:38 PM
Thanks in advance...
I'm thinking of starting with a bigger one (like 6 person and stove jack) and then seeing how I can do on a small 3 man equivalent and keep weight down...
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 12, 2016, 07:57:18 PM
I'd figure for lightweight, less panels means less seams, which means less pack weight.
Seek Outside and Kifaru sites are remarkably helpful in listing their specs and flooplans.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 12, 2016, 08:34:17 PM
What stitches did you use? Why would you do silnylon versus silpoly? I'm very close to selecting silpoly for my build. What do you think would've happened if you'd used say... 6 panels instead of 8? Would that help with weight and eliminate as much seam sealing? Have you considered making a bathtub floor with noseeum mesh to hang on the inside? Did you consider a vent at the peak? How did you determine your pole diameter and who did you buy that from?
Thanks in advance...
I'm thinking of starting with a bigger one (like 6 person and stove jack) and then seeing how I can do on a small 3 man equivalent and keep weight down...
Stitches... Flat felled or a "faux flat felled" seam. That is when I just join them with a 3/8" allowance, flip and stitch through three layers. Silnylon is slightly more puncture resistant, but it does stretch when wet. Goes back when dry but for wet weather stuff, silpoly is probably overall better. Silpoly is also not quite as tear resistant. However, nothing I do is going to come anywhere near redlining the fabrics capability. As for puncture resistance, just keep it away from sharp sticks haha. I am about to make a tarp and new tipi from silpoly so pm me if you want feedback in like a week or two. 6 panels at this width of fabric would be tiny. Might sleep one with gear and would be cramped. The one pictured is 7. Each panel adds quite a bit of functional size without adding more than a couple ounces of weight. I am building a bug nest next week but I don't think they are necessary. Just spray the bottom edge with permethrin and pitch close to the ground. I don't get bugs at all doing that. Pole diameter, I just guessed. I got mine from tentpoletechnologies.com and I got ".625 in the 18" sections. Super lightweight and strong 7075 aluminum.
Post by: mburrows on July 12, 2016, 08:36:50 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 12, 2016, 08:37:55 PM
I have been looking at building a 6-8 man, mostly for car and base camping. I like the ideas of sodcloth and peak vents, but I think I will go with an open floor, and maybe some zip-in noseeum door panels. But I won't be packing that on my back.
I'd figure for lightweight, less panels means less seams, which means less pack weight.
Seek Outside and Kifaru sites are remarkably helpful in listing their specs and flooplans.
Rockywoodz fabrics sells the perfect 70D fabric for that big of a tent! The whole thing would probably weigh 13-15# but you would have a great big tent with a lot of features. Yes an eyebrow vent is definitely going into my next tipi build. Not because of condensation but so when I crank the stove up to max capacity, I can hang clothes to dry and let it vent too so I don't burn the biotch down
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 12, 2016, 09:17:42 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 12, 2016, 09:26:11 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 12, 2016, 09:33:45 PM
One last question... did you have anything special to cut the fabric? Any advice for cutting straight lines... sewing straight lines... and keeping two pieces of fabric together when sewing?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 12, 2016, 09:44:16 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 12, 2016, 09:58:03 PM
The badger hole looks like it might get fairly toasty.... :tup:
One last question... did you have anything special to cut the fabric? Any advice for cutting straight lines... sewing straight lines... and keeping two pieces of fabric together when sewing?
Just take your time marking straight lines with chalk line or whatever straightedge you use. Sharp scissors are more than enough and just take your time. Seeing straight just takes a little time and practice. Since this material stretches a bit then don't fret too much over straight seams. As far as holding it together. Pins, binder clips or just good old fingertips work well. I just pinch them together myself
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 12, 2016, 10:19:49 PM
Here is the new one that I built and like Coop said, they are apparently bear proof :chuckle:
I really like this one, how much?
Post by: jasnt on July 12, 2016, 10:26:36 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 12, 2016, 10:32:06 PM
I didn't even get the pole. I just cut a pole when I get to camp. Less to pack. I like it bottom less cause of I can control ventilation with my stakes and ties
Nice, yeah that Cordura top cone can really take a beating. Like I said before, if you want to add another zipper, let me know :tup:
Post by: bulldogs40 on July 20, 2016, 08:50:07 PM
Post by: jasnt on July 20, 2016, 09:54:27 PM
ya a taller zipper would help me out a bit. I'm 6'1" so any time I don't need to crawl in is great. But it's not that bad now. 12 more inches would be awesome thoughI didn't even get the pole. I just cut a pole when I get to camp. Less to pack. I like it bottom less cause of I can control ventilation with my stakes and ties
Nice, yeah that Cordura top cone can really take a beating. Like I said before, if you want to add another zipper, let me know :tup:
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 22, 2016, 08:23:54 AM
ya a taller zipper would help me out a bit. I'm 6'1" so any time I don't need to crawl in is great. But it's not that bad now. 12 more inches would be awesome thoughI didn't even get the pole. I just cut a pole when I get to camp. Less to pack. I like it bottom less cause of I can control ventilation with my stakes and ties
Nice, yeah that Cordura top cone can really take a beating. Like I said before, if you want to add another zipper, let me know :tup:
PM me when you want it replaced :tup:
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 22, 2016, 08:41:28 AM
Any advice on stitch selection on the machine?
Here's what I'm rockin...
https://www.amazon.com/Singer-CG590-Commercial-Sewing-Machine/dp/B002NR6SXQ
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 22, 2016, 08:46:09 AM
If J_s doesn't consider it a threadjack, I'll post them up.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 22, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
No help on sewing guidance, but I started messing around in Google sketchup to start thinking about designs and materials for a 6 person 150 Sq ft designs.
If J_s doesn't consider it a threadjack, I'll post them up.
Please do. I love the DIY stuff
Post by: Special T on July 22, 2016, 09:38:44 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 22, 2016, 10:13:47 AM
The first is based on a 10 sided cone shape (like a Seek Outside design), approximately 150 sq. ft, and would take about 35 yards of fabric based on the ripstop pattern being perpidicular to the ground plane edge. If you could cut it on the bias for a 60" roll, you might be able to half that. I haven't noodled that out yet. Door zippers go between the panels on the opposite X-axis (red). The one line on the negative Y axis panel is just there to show a length of the panel measurement.
The the second is based on an elliptical cone shape (like a Kifaru design), approximately 150 sq. ft. I haven't figure out how much fabric it would take, because you can see that the shapes only repeat 3 at a time, which would make planning, calculating, and cutting a little more onerous. Door zippers go between the panels on the opposite y-axis (green).
Based on studying these two commercial designs, it would seem that the commercial vendors might have access to greater than 60" rolls.
I haven't settled yet on final details, but I will likely go with some version of the first, to ease the transition from sewing noob. Intended use is car/base camping, 4 season, with up to four people, so I won't be too concerned with weight.
Next, I am going to be working up a stove design, based on a hybrid of a Seek Outside and Kifaru box stoves, which I am also going to attempt at some point.
Google sketchup is pretty cool. I thought about doing these in paper, but this gives me a lot of ways to easily mock up stuff that I otherwise might have a hard time trying to envision.
Thanks, Jonathan_S for the inspiration.
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 22, 2016, 10:53:46 AM
Roughly, doing circle calculations... you'd get a 12-13' diameter base for 127 square feet.
If you did the same thing with 10 panels: ~16' diameter base for ~200 square feet.
I suppose you could do 7 as well. I was just trying to minimize material waste. :twocents:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 22, 2016, 11:03:15 AM
However, I do worry that, by cutting/stitching on the bias, there might be unforseen unequal stretching in the fabric leading to a misshapen form or unequal load bearing. I read that the stretch of the fabric is not symetrical with respect to the ripstop grid.
Keep in mind that you can use much of the fabric with a roughly 60" base isosceles triangle on the things described above (e.g., sod skirt, zipper storm flap, peak vent, reinforcing tieouts, etc.) in addition to stuff sacks, etc.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 22, 2016, 11:10:38 AM
Home made stove to boot! Get some coals going and she will simmer for hours. You can roast yourself out pretty fast though. Got it as hot as I think you could get it and we didn't melt anything :chuckle: screwed up cutting the hole for the pipe, so really thought we were gonna torch it :chuckle:
That is pretty sweet. That is about what I am looking to put together (like a Seek Outside, but with a swinging door like the Kifaru). What did you use for sheet metal stock (material, gauge, source)? Did you use a break for the panels or just hand and bench tools?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 22, 2016, 12:37:14 PM
I'm kind of curious what a 60" (roughly) panel width would do for you on an 8 sided figure. That way you could cut diagonally across a rectangle piece of fabric that is full sized by however long you wanted your side heights to be, cut again on the base to make the triangle isosceles instead of right, and stitch those all together. Seems like it'd waste VERY little fabric and give you a solid large tent. Your panels at the base would be slightly smaller than 60" length do the the isosceles cut, but you get the idea. That'd be your only waste.
Roughly, doing circle calculations... you'd get a 12-13' diameter base for 127 square feet.
If you did the same thing with 10 panels: ~16' diameter base for ~200 square feet.
I suppose you could do 7 as well. I was just trying to minimize material waste. :twocents:
Your numbers are pretty close. :tup:
Here's an 8 panel bias cut on a 60" roll with 7.5' peak and about 120 sqft. Note that this also works approximately for non-bias cut, except the 4.977" bottom edge leaves only about a quarter inch seam allowance, and you would have more offcut area, as noted. This seems about the equivalent of the 4 man Seek Outside with about a half foot of additional headroom.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 22, 2016, 03:43:07 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 22, 2016, 04:21:35 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 25, 2016, 08:43:07 AM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on July 25, 2016, 08:51:54 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 25, 2016, 09:27:39 AM
https://ripstopbytheroll.com/
http://www.owfinc.com/fabrics.html
http://www.questoutfitters.com/coated.html#SILNYLON
http://diygearsupply.com/
What else do people have?
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 25, 2016, 09:55:44 AM
Jonathan, what was your thought process when planning? Were you trying to mimic a retail-available option? What size factors were you considering? How close did your reality match the plan you started with?
My thought process was as follows...
I ordered some unknown material from a website I can't remember. They sent me more than I ordered so I thought, "hey what about a tipi?" I drew a few triangles, punched a few numbers and started cutting a few hours later.
Now we need a material source. The sil nylon isn't cheap. What's the cheapest/yard folks are finding?
google is your friend ;) silnylon isn't the only option either, I'm making a new tipi of silpoly for myself because it doesn't stretch when wet like silnylon does
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 25, 2016, 10:20:01 AM
Here's some interesting comparisons of materials and their waterproofness.
https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/105800/
Hydrostatic head is important to keep in mind as all fabrics are not created equal.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on July 25, 2016, 01:09:43 PM
How much would the material and grommets cost for something like this?
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 25, 2016, 02:01:41 PM
That 12'x12' so at least 4 yards, maybe more to get the full 12' transverse dimension (the two side panels across and sewn to the main 50" x 12' section).
You can get uncoated, also, and treat with silicone, yourself, for even cheaper.
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 25, 2016, 10:20:11 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 25, 2016, 10:26:26 PM
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on July 26, 2016, 05:04:28 AM
$5-6/yard for a 60" roll depending on source for silnylon, also depending on weight of the fabric.
That 12'x12' so at least 4 yards, maybe more to get the full 12' transverse dimension (the two side panels across and sewn to the main 50" x 12' section).
You can get uncoated, also, and treat with silicone, yourself, for even cheaper.
Wouldn't it be at least 10 yards? I'm a numbers guy but I know that when talking sewing there's some weird math that goes on, kind of like our federal tax code.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 26, 2016, 06:19:34 AM
In 4 yards of a 60" roll, you'd get one center panel, 12 ' long x 60" wide, then you'd have 4 45 degree offcuts. I'd have to layout those cuts to see if you can add any of them to the 60" dimension to get close to a 12' x 12'.
Otherwise, you would need at least 8 yards if you don't put the seam down the middle. But the total depends on your layout and how much use you can of "offcuts."
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 26, 2016, 07:34:52 AM
$5-6/yard for a 60" roll depending on source for silnylon, also depending on weight of the fabric.
That 12'x12' so at least 4 yards, maybe more to get the full 12' transverse dimension (the two side panels across and sewn to the main 50" x 12' section).
You can get uncoated, also, and treat with silicone, yourself, for even cheaper.
Wouldn't it be at least 10 yards? I'm a numbers guy but I know that when talking sewing there's some weird math that goes on, kind of like our federal tax code.
Linear yards. In this case = 36"x60" not 36"x36"
And FL0und3rz, most of the 60" stuff comes out to 58" because of the selvedge and open edge. Not a huge deal but it is a difference
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 26, 2016, 07:46:13 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 26, 2016, 07:52:25 AM
Thanks. That's good info to have at the noodling stage. :tup:
That's why we have smart guys like you and BULLBLASTER as engineers because you have a noodling phase. :tup:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on July 26, 2016, 07:58:50 AM
Post by: luvmystang67 on July 26, 2016, 08:20:24 AM
I'm having a tough time here. Is there any reason you WOULDNT do SilPoly instead of SilNylon?
Anyone? It kind of seems like a no brainer? Is the SilPoly harder to seam seal or sew or something?
Post by: 7mmfan on July 26, 2016, 08:25:28 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 26, 2016, 10:24:10 AM
Okay, speaking of noodling...
I'm having a tough time here. Is there any reason you WOULDNT do SilPoly instead of SilNylon?
Anyone? It kind of seems like a no brainer? Is the SilPoly harder to seam seal or sew or something?
Yeah like he said, it's less forgiving to sharp sticks and doesn't have as much strength. These things aren't big deals to me, I can obviously patch anything and I don't camp in wind tunnels. Silpoly HS better UV resistance which IS a big deal to me.
Post by: 7mmfan on July 26, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 26, 2016, 10:30:08 AM
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Post by: kentrek on August 14, 2016, 12:37:16 AM
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 14, 2016, 07:53:16 AM
Just a guess...but I'd think the seems act as kind of a reinforcement against stretching....Prolly really depends on the material you use
A single piece of material like that would be ideal. However, it would only end up 3' tall because nobody manufactures anything that wide :chuckle:
And you are correct, with a stretchy material like silnylon, having double or triple stitched seams really gives a solid "line" to pitch with.
Post by: jasnt on August 14, 2016, 02:36:21 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 14, 2016, 05:10:15 PM
Post by: luvmystang67 on August 15, 2016, 08:28:56 AM
Just a guess...but I'd think the seems act as kind of a reinforcement against stretching....Prolly really depends on the material you use
A single piece of material like that would be ideal. However, it would only end up 3' tall because nobody manufactures anything that wide :chuckle:
And you are correct, with a stretchy material like silnylon, having double or triple stitched seams really gives a solid "line" to pitch with.
I did consider doing a tapered spiral with a single continuous stitch, but I thought it would be difficult to guy out and would create areas of slack on the tent. You would use nearly 100% of your material that way... except the little you cut off on the bottom. I just don't think it would make a lot of practical sense in use. Plus the water might sit on the seams when it rains.
Post by: Jonathan_S on August 15, 2016, 11:14:53 AM
Just a guess...but I'd think the seems act as kind of a reinforcement against stretching....Prolly really depends on the material you use
A single piece of material like that would be ideal. However, it would only end up 3' tall because nobody manufactures anything that wide :chuckle:
And you are correct, with a stretchy material like silnylon, having double or triple stitched seams really gives a solid "line" to pitch with.
I did consider doing a tapered spiral with a single continuous stitch, but I thought it would be difficult to guy out and would create areas of slack on the tent. You would use nearly 100% of your material that way... except the little you cut off on the bottom. I just don't think it would make a lot of practical sense in use. Plus the water might sit on the seams when it rains.
Good luck sewing that. :chuckle: you'd have a monster pile of material trying to sneak back under the needle.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 14, 2016, 03:07:40 PM
I am deciding between a seek outside 6 man or giving it a try sewing my own in the next month or two, and I have been watching a ton of sewing videos.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 15, 2016, 01:07:17 PM
http://diygearsupply.com/diy-guides/sewing-tips/
Post by: huntingbaldguy on December 15, 2016, 01:22:57 PM
Did you tape the seams on the whole thing? Maybe you already answered that. Your teepee is looking really good, i've always wanted one.
Post by: Special T on December 15, 2016, 01:38:16 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on December 15, 2016, 01:50:58 PM
Any more lessons learned or thoughts on how you'd do things differently or better, Jonathan_S?
I am deciding between a seek outside 6 man or giving it a try sewing my own in the next month or two, and I have been watching a ton of sewing videos.
Yes I have flip flopped on silpoly vs silnylon. Silnylon holds up so much better in the wind
Post by: luvmystang67 on December 15, 2016, 02:19:40 PM
Any more lessons learned or thoughts on how you'd do things differently or better, Jonathan_S?
I am deciding between a seek outside 6 man or giving it a try sewing my own in the next month or two, and I have been watching a ton of sewing videos.
Yes I have flip flopped on silpoly vs silnylon. Silnylon holds up so much better in the wind
I had kind of decided on Sil Poly, can you elaborate on the SilNylon choice? I was hoping to avoid "wet stretch". Do you have any recommendations on which mmHg rating will be adequate for single wall in the NW? I know a lot of people think 1200 is sufficient, but I really want to be at 2000+ I think... Thoughts?