Post by: PacificNWhunter on January 29, 2009, 08:19:13 AM
Post by: luvtohnt on January 29, 2009, 08:26:52 AM
Brandon
Post by: Intruder on January 29, 2009, 08:34:38 AM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on January 29, 2009, 08:41:25 AM
Post by: tonymoe on January 29, 2009, 08:49:43 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on January 29, 2009, 08:51:42 AM
I deliberated a ton on the same question. For me it came down to time. You can become an effective shooter much sooner with a compound. Traditional shooting, from what I understand, really requires much more religious conviction to shooting often. That doesn't mean you won't have to practice with a compound.... just that overall learning curve will be much shorter.Very accurate. However, if you like to stalk in close in the thick stuff, trad is very attractive, and the ease and quickness of getting an instinctive shot off, may more than compensate for the added range with a compound. If you have the opportunity and discipline to shoot every day, I would go trad. I currently hunt with a compound because I can't seem to make the time to shoot every day. However, I plan to switch when life gets a little simpler.
Trad is like throwing a ball - no need for sights, you learn instinctively to put the arrow where you want it. If you can take a shot or two every day, at different ranges (a tossed tennis ball is great), and that sounds better than getting a range with a range finder, clipping on a release, coming to full draw, aligning your eye with the peep sight with the sighting pins (and perhaps leveling the bubble level on your sight), determining the correct pin for the range, and clicking a trigger - trad might be the way to go for you. An added bonus is the weight saving with trad.
Post by: bowhuntin on January 29, 2009, 08:52:27 AM
Post by: runamuk on January 29, 2009, 05:07:27 PM
I really want to shoot traditional, its what I shot back in high school. My issue is I am an out of shape middle aged woman :chuckle:
so with my limited money to spend I am opting for a compound that will allow me to start shooting at a low poundage and work up to legal hunting poundage.
You probably have plenty of muscle for either type so less of an issue ;). I am going to have my bow set up bare bones and shoot instinctive then buy a traditional once I am in shape and shooting with decent accuracy. I also don't intend to hunt until I feel confident in my abilities, I want to shoot a bow to shoot a bow its not so much about hunting for me ;)
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on January 30, 2009, 11:46:18 AM
Post by: bow4elk on January 30, 2009, 11:57:25 AM
In any case, get some good coaching to develop good shooting form and establish good habits. Target panic can really hose you up and in my experience doing lots of coaching, I see bad traditional habits creep over time to render the shooter extremely frustrated with ANY bow. PM me for coaching help, if needed.
Post by: Ray on January 30, 2009, 12:01:16 PM
The compound bow seems to better suit blind and treestand hunting because sometimes you draw on a critter when it is behind an object and wait for it to cooperate. It will inevitably be harder to try and keep the string back on a stick bow for say 10 seconds waiting for an animal to cooperate. The compounds I usually see seem to be cumbersome and bulky for backpacking in style hunts. Of course it would not be impossible but imagine if you hiked in to the wilderness 6 miles with all your overnight gear and then fell down on a slippery brush filled slope and tweaked your compound bow out of tune? That is not likely to happen with a stick bow. There is no tuning there is just a string. Simplicity is value in these situations. A take down stick bow will fit right in most packs.
As stated above the effective ranges will differ. That could be a deciding factor. Also instinctive and quick reactionary shooting is not well suited for compound bows as much as it will be for a stick bow. I disagree with the tought that getting an accurate shot off will not be much faster with a stick bow. This really depends on the person. The long term costs of a stick bow setup will be cheaper.
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on January 30, 2009, 01:36:52 PM
Post by: sisu on January 30, 2009, 03:01:52 PM
It takes a stick bow guy 2-4 seconds to pull back aim and shoot... a compound can be done in the 4-8 second range, and it always has been my feeling if you need to get a shot off that fast(2-5 with a compound) then its not a shot you should be taking in the first place,Wow this an arrogant statement if I every heard one. I have a recurve bow, so you telling that if I release my arrow faster than you shouldn't be taking the shot. That is the biggest pile of bovine scat I've ever heard. :chuckle:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 30, 2009, 03:11:44 PM
Ill throw mine in too. I hunt with a compound because it has a longer range, and it takes less practice to be accurate. I shoot some traditional, but only for fun. My boy and I are making him a traditional bow right now, and that is a lot of fun too. If you shoot trad, you should be prepared to shoot a couple of arrows just about every day. That "instinctive" shooting stuff is cool. You don't know your mind/muscles/brain can work together like that until you start to do it...
Post by: boneaddict on January 30, 2009, 03:16:56 PM
Post by: dbllunger on January 30, 2009, 03:23:32 PM
Post by: sisu on January 30, 2009, 03:56:42 PM
:twocents:
Ill throw mine in too. I hunt with a compound because it has a longer range, and it takes less practice to be accurate. I shoot some traditional, but only for fun. My boy and I are making him a traditional bow right now, and that is a lot of fun too. If you shoot trad, you should be prepared to shoot a couple of arrows just about every day. That "instinctive" shooting stuff is cool. You don't know your mind/muscles/brain can work together like that until you start to do it...
Personally I think the instinctive shooting with the bow has helped my shotgunning ability, but then i might be getting better with age like an old Gruyere...
Post by: runamuk on January 30, 2009, 04:03:17 PM
and I think they are prettier.
Thats why I was so against a compound at first :chuckle: they just aren't pretty enough ;) but now I have a goal, and when I do get a Trad bow I will get a really pretty custom one ;)
Post by: Ray on January 30, 2009, 05:14:34 PM
I would agree with your assessments and direction. The compound bow is simply not a primitive weapon. Take a look at one next to a modern rifle and you can clearly see that a compound bow is more advanced with technological applications. I still recognize it as a stick slinger. Ultimately my desire to hunt with a bow is to challenge myself away from major advancements in technology first. The annual kill is not essential but definitely a goal. I am not a purist per say but that's the weapon which provides me with entertainment even if I am a failure. I can still feel as if I am having fun.
Post by: bow4elk on January 30, 2009, 05:21:29 PM
Post by: Hoytstaffshooter83 on January 30, 2009, 06:39:14 PM
Not at all, guys that shoot compounds state the quicker shot as a advantage, I believe that if the shot requires one to shoot as fast as you can with a tradtional bow then thats a shot that should not be taken period..... being able to shoot in 2 sec and NEEDING to shoot in 2 sec are entirely different.......It takes a stick bow guy 2-4 seconds to pull back aim and shoot... a compound can be done in the 4-8 second range, and it always has been my feeling if you need to get a shot off that fast(2-5 with a compound) then its not a shot you should be taking in the first place,Wow this an arrogant statement if I every heard one. I have a recurve bow, so you telling that if I release my arrow faster than you shouldn't be taking the shot. That is the biggest pile of bovine scat I've ever heard. :chuckle:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 30, 2009, 10:31:33 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on February 03, 2009, 07:04:03 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 03, 2009, 12:20:40 PM
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Post by: PacificNWhunter on February 03, 2009, 12:51:32 PM
Post by: boneaddict on February 03, 2009, 12:54:06 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on February 03, 2009, 01:27:10 PM
We should start a club..
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 03, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Post by: highclimber on February 07, 2009, 04:43:49 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 07, 2009, 07:39:01 PM
Post by: jdb on February 08, 2009, 03:25:54 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 08, 2009, 04:02:52 PM
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Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 08, 2009, 06:17:45 PM
Post by: Ray on February 08, 2009, 08:02:00 PM
I don't feel that recurve has less hand shock than a longbow.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 08, 2009, 08:33:38 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on February 09, 2009, 03:20:38 PM
I like trad because shooting the bows is "fun" for me and the hunt is DEFINITELY NOT all about the kill... not that it is for all compounders either...I dont have a dad-gummed thing against compounds and have considered buying a new one to lay the smacker down on some meat-does this fall... just for something different... But man.. I LOVE to shoot my longbows or my recurves! My compound wasn't as fun and it didn't take long to master. Sure, I could have got better with it, but for what I was doing, I didn't feel like I needed to. 6 arrows in a paper plate at 50-60 yards was all i needed, especially when I was trying to hold shots to under 50...
the cool thing is...as fun as stickbow shooting is... if you take up the challenge...and have the time... you can put 6 arrows in a paper plate at 50 yards... OR even MORE! There are many stickbow shooters than can put 6 arrows in a row in a paper plate at 60 yards... its really an inspiration to see these guys shoot! I am good to about 40...but plan to get better this spring/summer!
Good Luck... either choice you will be happy! Bowhunting is Awesome!
Ernie
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 09, 2009, 05:19:53 PM
Post by: Ray on February 09, 2009, 08:53:59 PM
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they shoot arrows as fast as any recurve..
Very fast indeed. I was out shooting this weekend and the fellows who were with me were surprised. One of them noted twice how the bow was a flat shooter and the arrows were quick. Not really any noticeable trajectories out to 25 yards. I could be wrong on the range but that was what a lot of the targets were within. Just a few long shots..
Post by: Bookworm on February 09, 2009, 09:49:57 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on February 10, 2009, 10:38:12 AM
I can answer that... :chuckle:
Right now, I am starting to catch up pretty good. Ive got 6 bows to build, which I'll finish by the end of March. That will get me started on anything new in April.. .lets be conservative..and say I can have a bow ordered now out the door in Mid Mayish... end of May at the latest...
Thanks for your interest,
Ernie
Post by: Bookworm on February 10, 2009, 07:01:00 PM
Post by: Jake T on February 14, 2009, 08:15:07 AM
Post by: bearbait on February 14, 2009, 08:58:19 AM
My :twocents:
Post by: bowhuntin on February 14, 2009, 09:16:02 AM
i always look at it like this. rifle has sights and a trigger. so does a compound bow. rifle was invented to increase the distance from the target and still be lethal. so was the compound bow. if you're going to shoot a compound bow...you might as well shoot a rifle.
I couldn't disagree more. A rifle can shoot hundreds of yards, where as the compound can only shoot tens of yards. Then you have to compare the velocities of what is being shot and there is no comparison.
Post by: boneaddict on February 14, 2009, 09:18:50 AM
I think its just one notch higher up on the challenge belt.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on February 14, 2009, 09:54:32 AM
I realize I am in a minority, but I shoot a compound INSTINCTIVLY, just like I shoot my recurves. I even cant the bow..... The best of both worlds!That is how I shot my first bow, a Glenn St.Charles Buckskin. It was a round wheel with a wooden riser. No sights with a plastic flipper style rest, and fingers. Then I went down to NW Archery and had them set me up with a Marten Lynx with Speedflight limbs and TM Hunter rest and Fineline sight and a Tru-flight release......wow what a difference at the range!!!! I was hitting the 3 1/2 inch circle out to 80 and 2 out of 5 in the black out to 100!!! I still only shot out to 40 in hunting situations (except for once from the road, but that is a different story) and eventually got tired of carrying around that heavy chunk of metal and expereiencing "equipment malfunctions" and went to using a recurve I bought at a garage sale. The whole experience changed for me and I get a lot more enjoyment out of Archery now, I am a Traditional Archer and I feel sorry for anyone who has not experienced the thrill of harvesting a big game animal with traditional equipment, it will change your whole outlook.
My :twocents:
Post by: Hornseeker on February 19, 2009, 02:39:08 PM
Post by: @RCHER on February 19, 2009, 03:32:04 PM
Just wheel down to a bow shop and try them out. Most folks can't golf worth a crap their first few times out either. But you can golf with an old alder stick or buy some fancy aluminium clubs at Kmart. Then tell us what fits you best. :chuckle:
But I do agree that although trad is a ton of fun, you may become more confident and productive, quicker with a compound setup. Start easy though. Probably don't need to jump in with the $1200, 70lb, pro target bow. Although sexy, they are also, like my wife, high...(had to look over my should quick) maintenance.
Congrats for diving into the archery pool. Let us know what you decide, for sure. :brew:
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on February 19, 2009, 08:16:59 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on February 20, 2009, 07:20:54 AM
But I do agree that although trad is a ton of fun, you may become more confident and productive, quicker with a compound setup. Start easy though. Probably don't need to jump in with the $1200, 70lb, pro target bow. Although sexy, they are also, like my wife, high...(had to look over my should quick) maintenance.
Ha ha...That cracks me up.
I think I am going to get a used compound and get a year under of bow hunting under my belt and then possibly trade in for a trad. I'll keep you all posted.
Post by: @RCHER on February 20, 2009, 02:57:45 PM
No need to put down the wheel bow either. Just collect all kinds and enjoy them all.
I'm 40 now and my story reads a bit like NWWABOWHNTR's. I go through phases. Some of them seasonal. I'm a bit tech geeky and a nostalgic sort - if that says anything. So, I love the feeling of stalking through the wet timber with my BowTech (I call "The Sickness") just as much as point shooting fish, or birds with a stick bow. It's all about that magical flight of the arrow. :chuckle:
If it helps, give us a time frame and budget and maybe we can toss a few recommendations out there. Some of the old Martins, Brownings, Hoyts (others no doubt) are really nice, inexpensive and fast bows. Put some new goodies on em and you're off and runnin.
BTW, I've always wanted one of these, with the antler limb bolts: http://www.schafersilvertipbows.com/ (http://www.schafersilvertipbows.com/)
Post by: PacificNWhunter on February 23, 2009, 08:05:35 AM
Post by: @RCHER on February 23, 2009, 11:04:52 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on February 27, 2009, 11:20:53 AM
Trad/Tech... I am totally Trad/Tech. I use carbon in my bows and shoot carbon arrows out of them... I am also working on an aluminum riser for my longbow right now! :P Some info here.. more to come though!
www.sapphirearchery.com
By the way...there is a cool company called Trad Tech...I think its tradtech.com or something like that. They build some sweet, "techy" trad bow. Aluminum risers with interchageable ILF limbs... check it out.
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Post by: RyanD on March 24, 2009, 06:59:22 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 25, 2009, 08:57:53 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on March 26, 2009, 07:42:00 AM
Here's one of Brandons...
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Here's one of Bills
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One of mine..
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Ryan...good ta seeya around man... I am getting ready to get that old camera out again... Would it be easy to switch the cam out in there with a digital????
Post by: RyanD on March 26, 2009, 02:23:20 PM
Post by: bow-n-head on March 26, 2009, 04:48:21 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on March 27, 2009, 07:17:19 AM
Post by: xXx Archery on March 28, 2009, 08:57:06 PM
i always look at it like this. rifle has sights and a trigger. so does a compound bow. rifle was invented to increase the distance from the target and still be lethal. so was the compound bow. if you're going to shoot a compound bow...you might as well shoot a rifle.
I hope you walk to work...and not drive ..but I see you are using a computer...and not mail?...it is people like you that well help US all loss are right to hunt...it should not be Trad VS Comp..but Trad OR Comp...we need to ALL support each other..
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 29, 2009, 12:40:00 AM
Post by: xXx Archery on March 29, 2009, 05:37:06 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 29, 2009, 05:48:34 PM
the point is we are all hunters. :) we need to stop picking sides. :dunno:..trad, comp,trophy,meat gun...so on and so on..if not we will be like the hound hunters and baiting for bears..... :'(
:yeah:
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 31, 2009, 05:35:58 PM
I didn't find one piece of JakeT's comment "A HOLE". I took it at face value and understood it as his way to approach hunting weaponry. Much like someone saying they would only hunt trophies instead of taking merely a legal buck.I did not mean anybody in this discussion, only lending support to the quoted statement. I know most involved on this forum are not the ones giving us the bad image. I hunt with Trad equipment because that is what I like, I judge no one by the weapon they use, just the attitude displayed by their personality and actions.
Post by: Jake T on March 31, 2009, 07:38:24 PM
i was just trying to promote some friendly rivalry. like awesome cougars vs lame ass huskies. as long as you are out there in the woods with good intentions and love of the sport, i'll hunt beside you anytime.
i guess i should have used one of those cute smiley faces to convey the tone of my post a little better. live and learn.
Post by: bow-n-head on March 31, 2009, 07:44:19 PM
Post by: Jake T on March 31, 2009, 08:21:46 PM
here's the kicker...in 2 weeks when spring bear opens up, i'll be using my rifle.
Post by: xXx Archery on March 31, 2009, 09:51:29 PM
hope you have a good and safe hunt
Post by: Machias on April 01, 2009, 07:26:33 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 01, 2009, 08:58:06 AM
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No need to put down the wheel bow eitheror the rifle for that matter or the smokepole.
Going to love hunting this year withthis multiseason tag. I like to hunt PERIOD
I find th emore traditional it is the more challenging thus the more rewarding. Gotta have some patience though, and also the Trophy instinct inside of you might need to be modified. I was hunting Trad bow during modern rifle season and had to let a much bigger buck go becasue I couldn't close the gap. Rifle would have been a cakewalk You'd have seen my face on here with another 190 class buck, but instead you saw a nice 180 class deer. I might have been able to do it with compound though I doubt I would have taken the shot either. To me taking the buck I got with the Trad bow was just that much more sweet. Same with hunting the Alta hunt with it.
I still stand by, I can walk out with my compound any given day of the week even after having not shot it for a long time and shoot pretty dang good. The same can't be said for traditional. For me anyhow, it takes a lot more dedication.
As for picking recurve versus longbow, just as someone stated above. Its what feels right to you. You could argue that just like argueing what truck is better Ford or Chevy or Dodge etc. Nice to still have personal choice in this country.
Post by: PacificNWhunter on April 01, 2009, 09:26:31 AM
The main reason behind starting this thread, was to get an idea of what I could be more successful at as a newby to the archery world. I am drawn to bow hunting for the challenge. Not that I am a super successful rifle hunter with big bucks on the wall, actually I have never shot anything worth mounting. Until now I have been a rifle hunter and until I get very proficient with a bow, I will probably stay one. I want to switch to bow hunting because it is in my opinion the purest form of hunting. And honestly my opinion has not always been that way. Until a year ago I had no desire to hunt with a bow. I'm going to start out with a compound and hope to move onto a trad in the coming years. Is one better then the other? Who knows.... I think that despite what you use the important thing is to be in the woods, and enjoy the pursuit of the animal.
Thanks for all the input and discussions! I'm headed to the Dr this Friday to hopefully get my cast off so I can start shooting again.
Post by: Machias on April 01, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
Post by: boneaddict on April 01, 2009, 10:17:53 AM
Post by: RyanD on April 01, 2009, 12:37:58 PM
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Post by: Hornseeker on April 07, 2009, 10:19:52 AM
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BUT...if I had to choose...It'd be with the LB... Luckily..I dont HAVE to feed myself by hunting...cause I'd starve if I had to do it with the LB... Then again... maybe the seriousness of the situation would make me a better killer???
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Post by: boneaddict on April 12, 2009, 01:17:23 PM