Post by: KB88 on April 12, 2016, 10:27:16 AM
Thanks :bfg:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 27, 2016, 07:33:32 AM
Let me know when you're here ?
Post by: Cougartail on May 27, 2016, 08:14:05 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 27, 2016, 07:30:29 PM
Hunting coyotes in wolf country is no different than hunting them around cougars. Throw in some female coyote vocalizations to let the coyote know it's safe to come to dinner.
I'll put it another way. Wolves have run the coyotes out of here. We very seldom see them even during calving.
Post by: Timberstalker on May 27, 2016, 08:15:54 PM
Are you sure the wolves have ran the coyotes out?
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: wadu1 on May 27, 2016, 08:34:20 PM
Post by: Cougartail on May 28, 2016, 08:38:42 AM
I will agree with Campmeat on this subject 100%. Woffies and Yote's don't mix period. While hunting with my guide on Vancouver Island years back, I commented about the amount of dog tracks and I said you sure have a bunch of Yote's here; his response was "Nope" the wolves eat them all.
Your guide is a moron. Coyotes are not native to Vancouver Island. There is a whole host of large & small animals that are present on the mainland but not on the Island.
I also better get the Memo out to all the coyotes in Alaska, that wolves and coyotes don't mix "period". The funny thing is one of the largest population of coyotes moved into an area of high wolf densities as the coyote is a relatively new addition to Alaska.
Outside of the world of "Little Red Riding Hood" cougars in Washington kill far more coyotes than wolves and neither come close to the number taken by humans.
With the popularity of predator hunting and high coyote pelt prices I see far fewer coyotes standing around to be shot also. The dumb ones like that are all stretched or already on a parka.
Put a camera over a secluded bait pile free of human disturbance and get back to me.
Post by: PolarBear on May 28, 2016, 09:40:23 AM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 28, 2016, 11:09:03 AM
My hunting buddy in Republic shoots 3-5 coyotes per week, mostly along the San Poil. It seems that the wolves have made very little dent in the coyote population. I think my buddy kills more coyotes every year in that area than wolves or cats do. :chuckle:
Past 13 mile south ?
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 28, 2016, 11:11:22 AM
Post by: bearpaw on May 28, 2016, 11:19:09 AM
Hunting coyotes in wolf country is no different than hunting them around cougars. Throw in some female coyote vocalizations to let the coyote know it's safe to come to dinner.
Pretty tough for a coyote to come to a call if he has been turned into wolf poo! Just sayin.......... :chuckle:
Post by: bearpaw on May 28, 2016, 11:31:41 AM
When wolves outnumber cougar, then wolves will likely kill more coyotes. :dunno:
Currently there are still plenty of coyotes, especially in areas where there aren't many cougar or wolves.
Regarding ungulates in Washington, the total predator footprint is likely as high as we've seen it in our lifetime, until Washington manages like Idaho we should expect to see increased impacts as large predator numbers continue to grow.
Elk and deer are coming back in many areas of Idaho because in the impacted areas of Idaho you can hunt 2 cougar, 2 bear, 5 wolves, and trap another 5 wolves. Wake up Washington before our herds really begin reflecting the impact of under managed large predators!
Post by: buckfvr on May 28, 2016, 12:25:20 PM
Post by: PolarBear on May 28, 2016, 01:11:41 PM
My hunting buddy in Republic shoots 3-5 coyotes per week, mostly along the San Poil. It seems that the wolves have made very little dent in the coyote population. I think my buddy kills more coyotes every year in that area than wolves or cats do. :chuckle:
Past 13 mile south ?
From town down to 25 mile or so. He has some cousins on the rez and hunt coyotes down there as well. He did say that wolf pack around Gibraltar has chased the coyotes farther down the San Poil. They have a big problem with wolves around 25 mile according to him and a Colville member friend of mine.
Post by: nwwanderer on May 28, 2016, 02:23:52 PM
Post by: PolarBear on May 28, 2016, 03:30:41 PM
Post by: Cougartail on May 28, 2016, 03:48:11 PM
There's probably one reason cougar are killing more coyotes than wolves, because we have more cougar than wolves! :dunno:
When wolves outnumber cougar, then wolves will likely kill more coyotes. :dunno:
Currently there are still plenty of coyotes, especially in areas where there aren't many cougar or wolves.
Regarding ungulates in Washington, the total predator footprint is likely as high as we've seen it in our lifetime, until Washington manages like Idaho we should expect to see increased impacts as large predator numbers continue to grow.
Elk and deer are coming back in many areas of Idaho because in the impacted areas of Idaho you can hunt 2 cougar, 2 bear, 5 wolves, and trap another 5 wolves. Wake up Washington before our herds really begin reflecting the impact of under managed large predators!
Bring back bear baiting, leghold trapping and dogs (for cougar/bear hunting). Wolves at the current level would be hardly noticed. This is the reason for the large predator footprint. It's not enough to have high quotas. You must have higher success rates which isn't happening with the current regulations. (Thank you Seattle liberal morons.)
The wolf reintroduction has coincided with a huge downward shift in predator harvest due to regulation changes. I'm sorry but after reading study after study on ungulate mortality I don't believe 300 wolves has a huge impact like some on here state. With 30,000 bears (Fawn eaters), hundreds of thousands of coyotes (Fawn eaters), thousands of bobcats (fawn eaters), and 4500 cougars running around it makes me skeptical wolves are the culprit for the reduction in deer & elk populations.
Post by: Cougartail on May 28, 2016, 04:19:22 PM
Read the early studies in Yellowstone, coyote numbers dropped 80% plus with the introduction of wolves. They are now rebounding as coyotes always adapt quickly to any situation.
Both coyotes and foxes have learned to stay out of open areas when wolves are around. Being smaller and more agile they can out maneuver wolves in trees and brush.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 28, 2016, 04:23:56 PM
Campmeat. Apparently I mispoke. I just talked to my buddy about the coyote/wolf situation and he says pretty much what you do. He is still killing coyotes but they are getting pushed farther South and are getting harder to come by. I guess that I need get my info straight before posting. :chuckle: we've been talking cattle and horses lately and not furry critters.
No worries. And I didn't mean you specifically. Just a general statement. :tup:
I do hear about the 25 mile quite a bit actually.
Post by: PolarBear on May 28, 2016, 05:04:06 PM
Post by: bearpaw on May 28, 2016, 05:06:05 PM
There's probably one reason cougar are killing more coyotes than wolves, because we have more cougar than wolves! :dunno:
When wolves outnumber cougar, then wolves will likely kill more coyotes. :dunno:
Currently there are still plenty of coyotes, especially in areas where there aren't many cougar or wolves.
Regarding ungulates in Washington, the total predator footprint is likely as high as we've seen it in our lifetime, until Washington manages like Idaho we should expect to see increased impacts as large predator numbers continue to grow.
Elk and deer are coming back in many areas of Idaho because in the impacted areas of Idaho you can hunt 2 cougar, 2 bear, 5 wolves, and trap another 5 wolves. Wake up Washington before our herds really begin reflecting the impact of under managed large predators!
Bring back bear baiting, leghold trapping and dogs (for cougar/bear hunting). Wolves at the current level would be hardly noticed. This is the reason for the large predator footprint. It's not enough to have high quotas. You must have higher success rates which isn't happening with the current regulations. (Thank you Seattle liberal morons.)
The wolf reintroduction has coincided with a huge downward shift in predator harvest due to regulation changes. I'm sorry but after reading study after study on ungulate mortality I don't believe 300 wolves has a huge impact like some on here state. With 30,000 bears (Fawn eaters), hundreds of thousands of coyotes (Fawn eaters), thousands of bobcats (fawn eaters), and 4500 cougars running around it makes me skeptical wolves are the culprit for the reduction in deer & elk populations.
I certainly agree wolves are having no impact in areas where their are no wolves! I agree again, on a statewide basis 300 wolves isn't a major factor! I doubt there is little impact in most of Washington!
However, in the middle of the area where most of these 300 wolves live then wolves suddenly are a significant factor. :twocents:
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 28, 2016, 05:23:59 PM
I haven't been over there in a couple of years. The last time I hunted I found a fresh wolf kill up near Quartz Mt. On my way home I spotted a huge, lone black wolf at 25 mile creek. My tribal friend says that his cousin killed that one later that winter. I was tempted to do it myself but didn't want to wind up in the pokey! :chuckle:
You probably would of been given an award and no pokey time.
Post by: buckfvr on May 28, 2016, 05:24:43 PM
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 28, 2016, 07:17:25 PM
Ya if n.e.wa. wolves were anywhere else, people would be screamin.........This is the biggest phoniest sham wdfw has ever been part of.......we know it, they know it. :twocents:
I couldn't agree more, Russ....
Post by: Cougartail on May 28, 2016, 07:30:42 PM
There's probably one reason cougar are killing more coyotes than wolves, because we have more cougar than wolves! :dunno:
When wolves outnumber cougar, then wolves will likely kill more coyotes. :dunno:
Currently there are still plenty of coyotes, especially in areas where there aren't many cougar or wolves.
Regarding ungulates in Washington, the total predator footprint is likely as high as we've seen it in our lifetime, until Washington manages like Idaho we should expect to see increased impacts as large predator numbers continue to grow.
Elk and deer are coming back in many areas of Idaho because in the impacted areas of Idaho you can hunt 2 cougar, 2 bear, 5 wolves, and trap another 5 wolves. Wake up Washington before our herds really begin reflecting the impact of under managed large predators!
Bring back bear baiting, leghold trapping and dogs (for cougar/bear hunting). Wolves at the current level would be hardly noticed. This is the reason for the large predator footprint. It's not enough to have high quotas. You must have higher success rates which isn't happening with the current regulations. (Thank you Seattle liberal morons.)
The wolf reintroduction has coincided with a huge downward shift in predator harvest due to regulation changes. I'm sorry but after reading study after study on ungulate mortality I don't believe 300 wolves has a huge impact like some on here state. With 30,000 bears (Fawn eaters), hundreds of thousands of coyotes (Fawn eaters), thousands of bobcats (fawn eaters), and 4500 cougars running around it makes me skeptical wolves are the culprit for the reduction in deer & elk populations.
I certainly agree wolves are having no impact in areas where their are no wolves! I agree again, on a statewide basis 300 wolves isn't a major factor! I doubt there is little impact in most of Washington!
However, in the middle of the area where most of these 300 wolves live then wolves suddenly are a significant factor. :twocents:
And if you rid yourself of a few hundred bears, cougars and coyotes in the same area the wolves impact would be negated.
My place in Alaska has 3 wolf packs within 10 miles of it and one fledgling pack to the north. Moose numbers have been increasing to the point of which they dropped the 50" rule and added cow permits. I guess they didn't get the memo to flee for their lives as I see them or their prints daily? There is however no cougars and lots of bear bait hunting and trapping.
Wolves alone don't equate to population reduction of an area.
Remember, before White Man hit the shores of America the elk population was estimated at over 10 million and wolves were everywhere.
Post by: CAMPMEAT on May 28, 2016, 07:35:31 PM