Post by: CP on April 13, 2016, 12:46:14 PM
The three bondsmen from Washington Fugitive had gone to a home in the 10200 block of 260th Street E. in Graham around 8 a.m. Wednesday to look for a 30-year-old man who had skipped on bail.
Aaron New was wanted on a $50,000 outstanding DUI warrant, according to Det. Ed Troyer.
The bondsmen found their suspect at the home, and he didn't resist capture, Troyer said.
However, the fugitive's 60-year-old mother, who was also in the home, went and retrieved a gun that was inside a case, and was telling the bondsmen to leave the house as they needed a warrant.
The bondsmen told the mother to drop the gun, but when she began to unzip the case, that's when one bondsman opened fire as a second bondsman was using a stun gun on the mother, Troyer said.
Medics were called and the woman was taken to St. Joseph's Hospital, but died about three hours later, Troyer said.
The mother's husband witnessed the shooting and is being questioned by investigators.
Investigators said the mother also had a protection order out against her son.
Post by: biggfish on April 13, 2016, 08:03:22 PM
Post by: 700xcr on April 16, 2016, 06:47:04 PM
If he skipped bail he has a warrant out and all bail jump warrants are no knock. Bounty hunting has a legal precedence that predates organized law enforcement. I spent some time as a bail enforcement agent, you only have to file a short form with the county for kicking in a door. They do have to identify themselves as bail enforcement or fugitive recovery, (which ever title they choose to hold) just like police and you don't have to give a copy of the warrant to the home owner.Lets turn the card around, so lets say a bondsman kicks in door and he has a gun out.The individual that doesn't have a warrant out for the arrest fatally shoots the bondsman wouldn't that be self defense? Sense he or she didn't identify being bondsman or law enforcement before kicking in the door?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on April 16, 2016, 07:58:11 PM
Post by: SemperFidelis97 on April 16, 2016, 09:27:48 PM
Post by: yum tag soup on April 16, 2016, 09:45:15 PM
Post by: Buzz2401 on April 16, 2016, 11:00:51 PM
Post by: biggfish on April 17, 2016, 05:03:32 AM
I would that it falls under self defense, just as much as if law enforcement fails to identify themselves you can open fire upon them for entering your home unwelcomed. I personally have never executed a warrant by leading with my boot to the door, for fear of being shot. Not to say I never kicked any doors down.If he skipped bail he has a warrant out and all bail jump warrants are no knock. Bounty hunting has a legal precedence that predates organized law enforcement. I spent some time as a bail enforcement agent, you only have to file a short form with the county for kicking in a door. They do have to identify themselves as bail enforcement or fugitive recovery, (which ever title they choose to hold) just like police and you don't have to give a copy of the warrant to the home owner.Lets turn the card around, so lets say a bondsman kicks in door and he has a gun out.The individual that doesn't have a warrant out for the arrest fatally shoots the bondsman wouldn't that be self defense? Sense he or she didn't identify being bondsman or law enforcement before kicking in the door?
Post by: huntingfool7 on April 22, 2016, 12:58:13 PM
From what I heard on the radio the mother was tased as well before the shooting took place, it sounds to me like the bail bondsmen can show proper escalation of force in regards to the shooting. Sometimes the bad guys are raised by bad people as well, if she had an issue with the bail bondsmen doing their job she should have taken it up with the police.Two for the price of one. Fugitive was going peacefully and the woman with the restraining order against the fugitive went for a gun. That rat nest is half cleaned out now. Wonder what her other kin are doing today.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on April 22, 2016, 03:02:58 PM
Post by: Bean Counter on April 22, 2016, 03:11:04 PM
Lots of assumptions, not enough information.^ +1
regardless, the home is a sacred place to me, and I know I'm not alone. I can envision a scenario (ok, not this one I guess, but still) where I'm having guests over and they eventually kick in my reinforced door. by the time they get through it they'd be staring down the barrel of one of my long guns and I can tell you from my time in visiting violence upon men, that non-uniformed hajj that pulled up in unmarked cars shouting "BAIL BONDSMEN!" probably isn't going to register much with me and their skull fragments would likely wind up decorating my ceiling. I'm all about felons, bail skippers, and other deplorable people like liberals going to prison, but when someone is a guest in my home I consider them under my covering and feel a solemn duty to defend them.
Pick a dude up when he's leaving said home :twocents: