Post by: MikeC on April 22, 2016, 12:15:17 AM
Post by: Old Dog on April 22, 2016, 12:40:24 AM
Post by: RadSav on April 22, 2016, 01:37:03 AM
And it's a really good reason to tell the wife you and your son need to go to Cold Stone and get a much needed cricket sunday. That's quality father/son time. :tup:
Post by: HntnFsh on April 22, 2016, 05:42:00 AM
Sorry, I just couldn't resist. I agree with RadSav. Its part of lifes lessons and I'm sure he'll do great next time! And you will have the opportunity to spend quality time with these youngsters as they go through the process. I am going to try to get my grandson into a class pretty soon. Looking forward to it. Best of luck to your Son next time around! :tup:
Post by: headshot5 on April 22, 2016, 06:39:09 AM
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Not a darn thing wrong with the occasional failure. It's how we find our way back on the right track. I am a firm believer that we learn more from our failures than we do from our successes. I expect next time your son will score near 100%. He will take it more seriously and listen with more intent. Will probably come out of this with a greater respect for the rules and guidelines of Hunter Safety.
Everything that RAD says above is true IMO. I've learned way more from my failures than my wins. It's good for a kid to find out that its okay to lose one once in a while, as long as they learn from it. Sounds like he is taking it fine. A little ribbing from his cousin won't hurt him either.
Post by: daddysprad on April 22, 2016, 07:43:37 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 22, 2016, 08:08:39 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on April 22, 2016, 08:22:49 AM
The most common reason for the younger ones to fail the test is not having it read to them. I would suggest that he next take the online course and when he goes in for the test and field day, have him request to have the test read to him. It's not a reading test. We don't care how their reading comprehension is. It's a Hunter Ed test. We care that they'll be safe in the field with a firearm. And, he should use every advantage available to him. Good luck to your nephew tomorrow and your son the next time. I'm sure he'll do better.exactly! I have a friend who's son failed the written test, the instructor took him aside and read those questions to him that he got wrong. He then answered the questions correctly, the instructor passed him! I was very impressed the instructor did that, our kids will learn most about this stuff just being out in the woods with mom and dad. Too bad your sons instructor didn't read him the questions he got wrong, he'll get it next time!
Post by: Widgeondeke on April 22, 2016, 08:32:29 AM
as stated by the others, sign him up again. If you can't get time off work get mom or the uncle to take him.
My son passed at 10 1/2, but I was allowed to take the course with him(there were no shows and open slots). We were great study buddies. I will say a few of the questions really made me think, but I got 100% on the test :IBCOOL:
Post by: huntingfool7 on April 22, 2016, 12:50:19 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on April 22, 2016, 01:20:11 PM
When lil sis took the test at age 10 she breezed through but there were a lot of students that were having the questions read to them - and they were in high school :yike: I won't mention the rural town but geez....
Post by: jpharcher on April 22, 2016, 01:24:11 PM
Post by: MikeC on April 22, 2016, 03:58:26 PM
Post by: steen on April 22, 2016, 09:36:04 PM
So, I had a "minor" hernia reapair surgery this past Friday that I scheduled a couple of months ago. I work a swing/night type of shift so I don't get to spend many evenings with my wife, 10 year old son and 6 year old daughter. Being off work for 2 weeks and a little research later I decided it would be a great time to take my son to hunters education class. Talked with my brother in law and ended up enrolling my 11 year old nephew as well. Classes began Monday night, both boys paying good attention and tonight was the written exam towards the end of class. Well, my son ended up missing 1 too many questions and did not pass. His cousin naturally passed and is moving forward to the field course on Saturday. My son took the news like a man, but after we left he fell apart. I reiterated how proud of him I am, but spending all day Saturday with his cousin and not him will be really tough, probably more so for me than him... Life lessons suck
I teach Hunter Safety and we always give the kids a read off of the questions they missed and if they answer a good many right we still pass them. With the younger kids it is usually better to have the test read to them, they understand it better. We also let them run through the hands on more than once, because we are here to teach. Many are very nervoguns have never handled a gun and just need to get familiar with the firearms
Post by: REHJWA on April 22, 2016, 11:31:13 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on April 23, 2016, 06:47:59 AM
Thanks for all the positive replies. Originally when we left last night and dropped off his cousin he was so upset saying he didn't want to do it again. A little encouragement, and I also told him I'd take the course as a student with him and now he wants to. I've emailed the lead instructor already as he gave me a list of upcoming class dates and we are going to do the class in June which starts the week after he gets out of school.
You're doing it right, dad. :tup:
Post by: AhrensNW on April 25, 2016, 11:00:36 AM
But it's all good. your son will succeed the next time he takes it. Be sure to take him hunting with you as often as you can, watching my dad arrow a bull when I was 5 gave me quite a bit of incentive for that orange card.
Post by: ghosthunter on April 25, 2016, 11:41:25 AM
The most common reason for the younger ones to fail the test is not having it read to them. I would suggest that he next take the online course and when he goes in for the test and field day, have him request to have the test read to him. It's not a reading test. We don't care how their reading comprehension is. It's a Hunter Ed test. We care that they'll be safe in the field with a firearm. And, he should use every advantage available to him. Good luck to your nephew tomorrow and your son the next time. I'm sure he'll do better.exactly! I have a friend who's son failed the written test, the instructor took him aside and read those questions to him that he got wrong. He then answered the questions correctly, the instructor passed him! I was very impressed the instructor did that, our kids will learn most about this stuff just being out in the woods with mom and dad. Too bad your sons instructor didn't read him the questions he got wrong, he'll get it next time!
Just to be clear. The test cannot not be read to the student after wards.
The instructors should be giving the student a choice ,read it themselves or the instructor reads to them.
But once the decision is made the State prohibits going back.
Years ago instructor's were going over missed questions with students and changing the score. That is no longer allowed and any instructor who does it is violating Hunter Ed written policies.
As I read the OP the class started on Friday and tested on Monday. Although fine ,in my opinion to fast. Some students need more time between instruction and testing. Find a class that is for longer duration.
I take 3 weeks for a class. Two days a week . 4 teaching sessions 3 chapters each. One session written test, one session field coarse.
Rushing young students through a class does a disservice to the student. :twocents:
On line classes were never designed for younger students.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 25, 2016, 11:48:35 AM
thats too bad, i think most our kids learning is done by the parents while hunting. I thought it was really human of the instructor to go over the missed questions with the youngster to see if he just read the question wrong. This was 9 years ago so I'm sure things have changed.The most common reason for the younger ones to fail the test is not having it read to them. I would suggest that he next take the online course and when he goes in for the test and field day, have him request to have the test read to him. It's not a reading test. We don't care how their reading comprehension is. It's a Hunter Ed test. We care that they'll be safe in the field with a firearm. And, he should use every advantage available to him. Good luck to your nephew tomorrow and your son the next time. I'm sure he'll do better.exactly! I have a friend who's son failed the written test, the instructor took him aside and read those questions to him that he got wrong. He then answered the questions correctly, the instructor passed him! I was very impressed the instructor did that, our kids will learn most about this stuff just being out in the woods with mom and dad. Too bad your sons instructor didn't read him the questions he got wrong, he'll get it next time!
Just to be clear. The test cannot not be read to the student after wards.
The instructors should be giving the student a choice ,read it themselves or the instructor reads to them.
But once the decision is made the State prohibits going back.
Years ago instructor's were going over missed questions with students and changing the score. That is no longer allowed and any instructor who does it is violating Hunter Ed written policies.
As I read the OP the class started on Friday and tested on Monday. Although fine ,in my opinion to fast. Some students need more time between instruction and testing. Find a class that is for longer duration.
I take 3 weeks for a class. Two days a week . 4 teaching sessions 3 chapters each. One session written test, one session field coarse.
Rushing young students through a class does a disservice to the student. :twocents:
On line classes were never designed for younger students.
Post by: huntingfool7 on April 25, 2016, 02:14:03 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on April 25, 2016, 02:38:17 PM
Page 25 of the Hunter Education Instructor Policy manual
I teach Hunter Safety and we always give the kids a read off of the questions they missed and if they answer a good many right we still pass them. With the younger kids it is usually better to have the test read to them, they understand it better. We also let them run through the hands on more than once, because we are here to teach. Many are very nervoguns have never handled a gun and just need to get familiar with the firearms
Student Retesting Prohibited
Policy: Students may not be re-tested on written examinations, quizzes, or field skills evaluations, no matter what their score.
Even in the event a student misses a passing grade by one or two incorrect answers, s/he will not be given an opportunity to be re-tested on any part of the examination or quiz during that course and must re-take another complete Online course and Field Skills Evaluation course or traditional course at a later date.
Post by: jrebel on April 25, 2016, 04:48:53 PM
Post by: csaaphill on May 07, 2016, 02:12:08 AM
He'll get it next time. I bet he scores 100%
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 07, 2016, 06:36:46 AM
Sorry to here about your child....I too would be heartbroken for my child in this instance. I am not a huge fan of this States hunters education system. There is no consistency between instructors / classes and some of the instructors I have had the pleasure to meet are driven by there ego. With that said others have been great....just one example of the inconsistencies. Well wishes for a successful second attempt.
I would encourage you to become an instructor and tackle some of those inconsistencies you've seen. Everyone's different and with individual teaching styles, but the course material is pretty consistent. The one thing they all have in common is that they've volunteered their free time to do it. There's always plenty of room for more instructors. :tup: