Post by: curtdiesel on April 26, 2016, 04:56:39 PM
Wouldn't it be so much better if they drew in order of Quality, Bull, and Antlerless. If you draw Quality you automatically fail to draw bull and antlerless and just get points. If you fail quality and draw bull you automatically fail antlerless and just get points for it? This way if you have 9 points in all 3 and end up drawing all three this year you don't waste your bull and antlerless points. Of course they will say but you get to hunt all three until you tag out and what a great problem to have. Well I imaging most people would rather just hunt their quality tag and the general season and have the opportunity to have 10 points to draw a bull or cow tag the next year.
Am I wrong here? It seems like an easy fix and the only reason not to is the random opportunity to destroy unlucky peoples hard earned points.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 26, 2016, 05:15:51 PM
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Post by: fisheral87 on April 26, 2016, 05:44:18 PM
In addition, it probably combats point creep to a certain extent, although my guess is the result is statistically insignificant.
Al
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Post by: X-Force on April 26, 2016, 09:36:28 PM
I think we should be able to buy tags for each permit we draw. If a guy draws Dayton Quality rifle and a Goose Prairie Bull he should be able to fill one and then buy a second tag to try and fill the other permit. We should not get penalized for drawing two special permits and only be able to fill one. We played their game and payed their price, let us hunt.
I totally agree with that.
Post by: Maverick on April 27, 2016, 12:33:48 AM
People spend years building points. If lucky enough to draw two permits we should be able to fill both.
Post by: 7mmfan on April 27, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
I would fully support an initial draw where you take the permit you want. If you draw multiple permits, decline the ones you don't want, and then have a second drawing. This would preserve people's points, and make sure that the tags went to people who wanted/could use them.
I don't see why this would be difficult to implement.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 27, 2016, 08:28:37 AM
I think it should stay how it is in regards to this topic. :twocents:
If a high point holder cashes out multiple categories in a year it actually helps everyone else in the following years.
Post by: 7mmfan on April 27, 2016, 08:38:23 AM
I don't see the issue. It's easy enough to ghost point some years in some categories.
I think it should stay how it is in regards to this topic. :twocents:
If a high point holder cashes out multiple categories in a year it actually helps everyone else in the following years.
I don't care about everyone else, just me!!!!! :chuckle: I get what you're saying, but most of us would prefer to have every opportunity on the board to draw a tag. We don't all get to hunt multiple weeks a year so we have to make the best of the opportunities we have.
Post by: trophyhunt on April 27, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
Both my dad and Fisheral87 drew antleress and bull tags in the same season, leaving the antlerless tag unfilled and points gone. Its frustrating to me.:yeah: AND the state would collect for another round of application fees. Seems like a win win to me, no more unused tags! Simple
I would fully support an initial draw where you take the permit you want. If you draw multiple permits, decline the ones you don't want, and then have a second drawing. This would preserve people's points, and make sure that the tags went to people who wanted/could use them.
I don't see why this would be difficult to implement.
Post by: Chukarhead on April 28, 2016, 11:37:19 AM
I drew five permits last year, and only hunted two of them. I bowed out of the Alkali bull hunt about halfway through the season after a lot of miles, tire rubber, and boot leather. According to the harvest report, out of 15 tags, only one of them left on an animal. I went up to the woods, and filled my antlerless permit. Overall, a much, much higher quality hunt. Sure, I would have liked to have spread my points out a bit, but in a lot of cases I'd rather take my permits while I can. You never know when you'll be hit by a bus. Besides, I like to eat elk, and when the success rates for both permits are less than 10%, I planned on hunting both.
Post by: Bob33 on April 28, 2016, 11:42:13 AM
Both my dad and Fisheral87 drew antleress and bull tags in the same season, leaving the antlerless tag unfilled and points gone. Its frustrating to me.Given the history of WDFW's software vendors and how they can bungle even the simplest tasks, you might be surprised.
I would fully support an initial draw where you take the permit you want. If you draw multiple permits, decline the ones you don't want, and then have a second drawing. This would preserve people's points, and make sure that the tags went to people who wanted/could use them.
I don't see why this would be difficult to implement.
There is also the fact (as demonstrated here) that quite a few hunters don't want the system changed. That means you either (a) tick off a bunch of people who don't want a change, or (b) implement a dual system where some hunters can get multiple permits, and others can only get one. Now back to my first sentence.
Post by: birddogdad on April 28, 2016, 12:15:33 PM
I think if it were an easy fix it would have been done.
I think it would be ez with alt selections, allow hunters to select "no thanks" if drawn and have the next in line selected (alt) get. sure processes would have to change and a hard timeline would be put in place...
again this would be ONLY for mult selects of same species..
Post by: pd on April 28, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
I think if it were an easy fix it would have been done.
I think it would be ez with alt selections, allow hunters to select "no thanks" if drawn and have the next in line selected (alt) get. sure processes would have to change and a hard timeline would be put in place...
again this would be ONLY for mult selects of same species..
Once again, I agree with you. :hello:
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 28, 2016, 12:47:54 PM
Post by: rtspring on April 28, 2016, 01:44:26 PM
Here is a fact, enjoy what you have for one day it wil be gone...
Washington= to many people not enough animals! Dont like it hunt elsewhere.
Post by: Bob33 on April 28, 2016, 01:59:36 PM
Everyone would still complain if they got a oil tag every year!I'll sign a notarized waiver not to. I promise. ;)
Post by: Woodchuck on April 28, 2016, 02:01:56 PM
:yeah: X infinityEveryone would still complain if they got a oil tag every year!I'll sign a notarized waiver not to. I promise. ;)
Post by: BULLBLASTER on April 28, 2016, 02:03:45 PM
Everyone would still complain if they got a oil tag every year!True words of wisdom here guys!
Here is a fact, enjoy what you have for one day it wil be gone...
Washington= to many people not enough animals! Dont like it hunt elsewhere.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on April 28, 2016, 02:08:08 PM
Happened to me last year. Drew quality elk and antlerless. Never stepped foot in the antlerless unit.I drew Rimrock bull and an antlerless permit the same year. Never stepped foot in the antlerless unit.
Post by: CarbonHunter on April 28, 2016, 05:14:44 PM
:yeah: X infinityEveryone would still complain if they got a oil tag every year!I'll sign a notarized waiver not to. I promise. ;)
By the time the state finished implementing a perfect idea that every hunter liked; they would have found a way to screw it up so bad that all of you would be ripping up your notarized documents.