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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: REHJWA on May 19, 2016, 12:24:13 PM

Title: Timberland permits
Post by: REHJWA on May 19, 2016, 12:24:13 PM: Why do the timber companies limit permits to immediate family under 18?

Why not just limit the number of people on the permit?

Would be nice to take my dad or nephew if my wife didn't hunt...
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: Thefisherman83 on May 19, 2016, 12:25:46 PM: Because then your dad wouldn't have to buy one.
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: REHJWA on May 19, 2016, 12:36:24 PM: Quote from: Thefisherman83 on May 19, 2016, 12:25:46 PM
Because then your dad wouldn't have to buy one.

OK...but why not nephew, niece, grandkids.
Title: Timberland permits
Post by: bobcat on May 19, 2016, 12:41:10 PM: Grandchildren are allowed if they're under 18 according to Weyerhaeuser's rules.

I would guess the reason they don't allow nieces and nephews is that would be difficult to enforce.

How would they be able to easily confirm a person is actually a niece or nephew?
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: REHJWA on May 19, 2016, 01:00:53 PM: Quote from: bobcat on May 19, 2016, 12:41:10 PM
Grandchildren are allowed if they're under 18 according to Weyerhaeuser's rules.

I would guess the reason they don't allow nieces and nephews is that would be difficult to enforce.

How wouid they be able to easily confirm a person is actually a niece or nephew?

Understand... But what if you limit the permit to the four-six peope listed on the permit at time of purchase????? Only two could be over 18....
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: Thefisherman83 on May 19, 2016, 01:34:29 PM: You could always email them and ask for an exception.
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: dc on May 19, 2016, 02:05:24 PM: I have bought the permit both yrs, and will again. I don't like the paying for access, but I have hunted the biggest part of 40 yrs. and wont quit now. My 76 yr old Dad who no longer even hunts SHOULD be able to go with me. One rifle, one tag, one critter (hopefully). It makes zero cents to me why he cant go with me. I understand they don't want someone without a permit to hunt there property, and how do they keep them from both hunting. I don't buy the whole its all about money thing, Weyerhaeuser does not need my 300.00 or yours. They don't want people on there property. They leave the # of permits low, and creep the price up. Then as the price goes up, hunters start dropping out of buying permits. Less permits sold = less people accessing. Like mentioned before. Have security/gait managers check the truck with the people inside. How many people? How many permits? How many tags and guns? How many critters in back? All good, than away you drive everybody happy. Not all good, than dealt with accordingly. Sorry for the rant, but I have yet to hear a logical reason why a non hunting person cant access with me.
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: REHJWA on May 20, 2016, 09:17:17 AM: I agree that the funds raised by these permits don't significantly effect the companies bottom line but I do believe they are in the business to make money.

I also can understand why they need to control access with all the dumping, and drug activities.

However, I believe there could be better ways to contol permitted access other than immediate family under 18.

Not just family either, it is rough when someone gets a permit and their buddy doesn't.

If they would allow a set number of people per permit they could still control access and the number of participants.
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: Joe Rothrock on May 20, 2016, 11:07:11 AM: Most timber companies, at least Green Diamond timber co. does an annual back ground check on the permit applicants. I can't just show up at a gate with random buddies, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, inlaws or especially outlaws and expect to be granted access just because I paid for the permit. The background checks grade the quality of people being allowed access. I will admit, I was furious about the timber co. permits at first, but the type of people we meet and the quality of our experiences in the field make them well worth it. As for the price of the permit, I simply compare the cost of taking my family to a seahawks or mariners game for 3 hours verses an entire years worth of recreation in the field. Do the math!
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: King Krok on May 20, 2016, 11:22:18 AM: Easy way around cutting costs for u and a buddy, put him down as ur partner. Same sex marriage is legal in this state and they can't enforce that.

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Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: Nailed it on May 20, 2016, 12:44:52 PM: Quote from: King Krok on May 20, 2016, 11:22:18 AM
Easy way around cutting costs for u and a buddy, put him down as ur partner. Same sex marriage is legal in this state and they can't enforce that.

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They would never know if someone wasn't your kid, not everybody has the same last name
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: REHJWA on May 20, 2016, 04:13:45 PM: I am sure there are ways around it but this will be their first year hunting I have to set the right example...

No reason they could not do back ground checks on everyone listed on the permit at time of purchase.
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: chester on May 20, 2016, 04:15:46 PM: :yeah: I'm sure they do , they also aren't big on second chances when you break their rules.

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Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: bobcat on May 20, 2016, 04:28:13 PM: I don't like the Weyerhaeuser rules either. I agree it would be nice if they'd allow each permit holder a certain number of people that could be listed on the permit. Like I've said before, $300 per year seems like a pretty fair deal for a guy who has a wife and two or three kids who all hunt. With five people utilizing one permit that's only $60 per person per year. Great deal. But someone like me with kids who are still too young to hunt, and a wife who doesn't hunt, it's not so good. I can't take my dad with me, my uncle, a friend, nobody, unless they also buy a permit. But, it is what it is. It's their land, their rules. If I don't want to buy it I don't have to.
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: REHJWA on May 20, 2016, 05:01:34 PM: Quote from: bobcat on May 20, 2016, 04:28:13 PM
I don't like the Weyerhaeuser rules either. I agree it would be nice if they'd allow each permit holder a certain number of people that could be listed on the permit. Like I've said before, $300 per year seems like a pretty fair deal for a guy who has a wife and two or three kids who all hunt. With five people utilizing one permit that's only $60 per person per year. Great deal. But someone like me with kids who are still too young to hunt, and a wife who doesn't hunt, it's not so good. I can't take my dad with me, my uncle, a friend, nobody, unless they also buy a permit. But, it is what it is. It's their land, their rules. If I don't want to buy it I don't have to.

Thank You...while I have mixed feelings about the permits I am willing to pay for access but at the same time I am looking for ways to improve things also.....

Am looking to get other opinions to bounce around.
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: teegansdad on May 31, 2016, 01:31:14 PM: Can anyone provide me with a phone number for the pe ell main Weyerhaeuser office to ask rec permit questions?
Title: Re: Timberland permits
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 31, 2016, 01:36:01 PM: Email them at PeEll.Recreation@weyerhaeuser.com