Post by: Ridgeratt on June 16, 2016, 05:57:19 PM
The pack roams in the vicinity of Sherman Pass in Ferry County, north of the Colville Indian Reservation.
SPOKANE, Wash. -
The state has a new wolf pack, the 19th since the animals began returning to Washington in the 1990s.
State wildlife managers say part of a north central Washington wolf pack has split away and formed a new group called the Sherman Pack.
State wolf program manager Danny Martorello says the pack roams in the vicinity of Sherman Pass in Ferry County, north of the Colville Indian Reservation.
The Spokesman-Review reports that at the end of 2015, the state was home to at least 90 wolves and eight breeding pairs.
Wolves were shot, poisoned and trapped nearly to extinction in the state in the 1920s and 1930s. Wolves began returning in the state from nearby states and Canada in the 1990s, sometimes causing conflict with ranchers.
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Information from: The Spokesman-Review,
http://www.khq.com/story/32242763/state-reports-a-new-wolf-pack-located-near-sherman-pass
Post by: Miles on June 16, 2016, 06:13:08 PM
There's an all black one and your run of the mill gray one that have been all over there for years. I've seen the gray one through the rifle scope and quickly realized I wasn't looking at a coyote.
Post by: wolfbait on June 16, 2016, 06:43:26 PM
WDFW have been working at Blinding speed……..
Post by: Ridgeratt on June 16, 2016, 07:12:37 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,79244.msg2576611.html#new
Post by: Special T on June 17, 2016, 09:54:30 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 17, 2016, 10:16:35 AM
Post by: Bango skank on June 17, 2016, 10:46:40 AM
For the WDFW critics, the fact that they're saying there's a new pack doesn't mean they didn't already know there were wolves in the area. It just means they didn't have proof there was a "pack."
Doesnt take a genius to go up there and find difinitive evidence. Theyre raising hell up there. Still plenty of unconfirmed packs in the tri county area that wdfw will drag their feet on as long as possible
Post by: bobcat on June 17, 2016, 10:55:24 AM
Post by: Bob33 on June 17, 2016, 11:01:55 AM
What is evidence of a pack, by their definition?"A pack is defined as two or more wolves traveling together in winter and a breeding pair is defined as at least one adult male and one adult female wolf that raised at least two pups that survived until December 31."
Post by: Miles on June 17, 2016, 11:02:49 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 17, 2016, 11:11:47 AM
It takes more than going for a walk in the woods to come up with enough evidence of a wolf pack, that meets their scientific criteria.
They have never denied that wolves are present in the Sherman Pass area.
Oh, and by the way, the WDFW didn't bring wolves to this state in the first place, as I know many of you believe.
:stirthepot:
Post by: Bango skank on June 17, 2016, 11:35:24 AM
It's funny, no matter what they do or say, regarding wolves, people criticize the WDFW.
It takes more than going for a walk in the woods to come up with enough evidence of a wolf pack, that meets their scientific criteria.
No, a walk in the woods is literally all it takes. If going for a walk and finding dead moose, wolf tracks and wolf crap all over the place and hearing them howl around you isnt difinitive enough to meet their criteria then they need to change their criteria. The reason they have such stupid standards for what constitutes proof of a pack is to help them drag out the mess thats gonna happen when they confirm enough wolves to meet their delisting criteria
Post by: bobcat on June 17, 2016, 11:37:36 AM
Post by: WAPatriot on June 17, 2016, 11:38:34 AM
It's funny, no matter what they do or say, regarding wolves, people criticize the WDFW.
It takes more than going for a walk in the woods to come up with enough evidence of a wolf pack, that meets their scientific criteria.
No, a walk in the woods is literally all it takes. If going for a walk and finding dead moose, wolf tracks and wolf crap all over the place and hearing them howl around you isnt difinitive enough to meet their criteria then they need to change their criteria. The reason they have such stupid standards for what constitutes proof of a pack is to help them drag out the mess thats gonna happen when they confirm enough wolves
to meet their delisting criteria
LOL
Post by: bobcat on June 17, 2016, 11:43:40 AM
Post by: bearpaw on June 17, 2016, 11:54:42 AM
We now have more wolves in NE WA than in many parts of Idaho. WDFW is a sorry disgusting incompetent disappointment regarding wolves! All the locals around here have been reporting wolves for years and it wasn't until we made such a fuss with photos for proof that WDFW could no longer say we were just seeing coyotes.
Yes I had a regional director call me and tell me it was just coyotes! :bash:
The idiotic WDFW is at least 6 years behind on this wolf pack! One big reason is they didn't want help from one of our locals who was on top of many of these packs.
I've been declining moose hunters in areas where the wolves have had the most impact. I feel sorry for these guys finally drawing a moose tag and now most likely have to take what they can get in some areas. Moose will be decimated before we ever get wolf management or even acknowledgement from WDFW of wolf impacts!
Post by: Miles on June 17, 2016, 03:54:53 PM
I don't believe they need to find anymore wolves in the Northeast. I think to get wolves delisted they need to find wolves in the other regions first.
That's why they are now focusing on the northeast corner. Lol. Joke is on us.
Post by: bearpaw on June 17, 2016, 04:41:04 PM
I don't believe they need to find anymore wolves in the Northeast. I think to get wolves delisted they need to find wolves in the other regions first.
That's why they are now focusing on the northeast corner. Lol. Joke is on us.
:chuckle: You are exactly right!
Post by: Mudman on June 17, 2016, 04:56:41 PM
Well I'd say it's pretty obvious why some of you aren't wildlife biologists.Yup, too much common sense and real life experience. But really how can they spend $ and time confirming more packs in a region already riddled with wolves instead of verification of other areas when the whole plan is establishing breeding pairs across state? Slow the delisting of course. Who makes these decisions and how is it not biased?
Post by: teanawayslayer on June 17, 2016, 05:02:12 PM
(personal opinion)that happen in twisp several years ago. Game cam pics, hair samples from barbed wire fences,livestock kills. Nope just coyotes they say. Then one gets killed oh that's not a coyote. Bring in the Feds. What a joke!!!
We now have more wolves in NE WA than in many parts of Idaho. WDFW is a sorry disgusting incompetent disappointment regarding wolves! All the locals around here have been reporting wolves for years and it wasn't until we made such a fuss with photos for proof that WDFW could no longer say we were just seeing coyotes.
Yes I had a regional director call me and tell me it was just coyotes! :bash:
The idiotic WDFW is at least 6 years behind on this wolf pack! One big reason is they didn't want help from one of our locals who was on top of many of these packs.
I've been declining moose hunters in areas where the wolves have had the most impact. I feel sorry for these guys finally drawing a moose tag and now most likely have to take what they can get in some areas. Moose will be decimated before we ever get wolf management or even acknowledgement from WDFW of wolf impacts!
Post by: Mudman on June 17, 2016, 05:11:37 PM
Post by: wolfbait on June 17, 2016, 06:41:08 PM
(personal opinion)that happen in twisp several years ago. Game cam pics, hair samples from barbed wire fences,livestock kills. Nope just coyotes they say. Then one gets killed oh that's not a coyote. Bring in the Feds. What a joke!!!
We now have more wolves in NE WA than in many parts of Idaho. WDFW is a sorry disgusting incompetent disappointment regarding wolves! All the locals around here have been reporting wolves for years and it wasn't until we made such a fuss with photos for proof that WDFW could no longer say we were just seeing coyotes.
Yes I had a regional director call me and tell me it was just coyotes! :bash:
The idiotic WDFW is at least 6 years behind on this wolf pack! One big reason is they didn't want help from one of our locals who was on top of many of these packs.
I've been declining moose hunters in areas where the wolves have had the most impact. I feel sorry for these guys finally drawing a moose tag and now most likely have to take what they can get in some areas. Moose will be decimated before we ever get wolf management or even acknowledgement from WDFW of wolf impacts!
Anyone who still has any hope that WDFW is interested in controlling wolves hasn't been paying attention.
A while back I went to a wolf meeting in the Okanogan, a bunch of us met with WDFW's $$$$$$ moderator to see where we differ with the environmentalists "WAG". Most of the meeting was about how WDFW refuse to confirm wolf packs, livestock kills and their failed effort at controlling wolves once they did confirm wolf killed livestock. Then there is the total lack of interest as to the impact on the deer herds etc., folks told about wolves killing deer around their homes etc..
Usually folks complain about the environmentalist most, it would appear WDFW has a worse record then the environmentalist at this point in WA. We did get to the environmentalists the last 5 minutes of the meeting.
What WDFW is doing to WA through their faulty wolf plan and management, I think rates worse then the original illegal wolf introduction as their actions are and will impact WA far longer.