Post by: whacker1 on June 22, 2016, 10:26:09 AM
What issues are folks experiencing? and at what mileage?
I am going to buy a diesel new or new/used in the next 9 months and trying to determine whether I want a Ford 6.7 or a Duramax. I like the Ford look, feel, and concept. I like the Chevy Duramax motor and Allison Transmission, and functionality, but I don't like the look and feel as much.
Post by: quadrafire on June 22, 2016, 10:27:26 AM
Post by: whacker1 on June 22, 2016, 10:30:17 AM
Finally getting the "horse" in front of the "cart" :chuckle:
Nope, but will need lots of horses
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2016, 10:32:54 AM
Just curious
Post by: D-Rock425 on June 22, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
Why is a Dodge not in the running?tranny problems :dunno:
Just curious
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2016, 10:39:19 AM
Why is a Dodge not in the running?tranny problems :dunno:
Just curious
Early 2000's. Not anymore...or not any more than anyone else has transmission issues.
Post by: whacker1 on June 22, 2016, 10:59:20 AM
Why is a Dodge not in the running?
Just curious
I had several friends have many issues with Dodges through the 2005-2012 era to include engine, transmission, front ends, electronics, electronics, and electronics. I don't like the ergonomics inside. It doesn't make it any easier that I don't like the way they look. And none of those friends will drive it as hard as I will, at least from historical value of my youth and notoriety for being hard on pickups
Post by: whacker1 on June 22, 2016, 11:00:48 AM
Why is a Dodge not in the running?
Just curious
The few remaining friends that still own dodges are either turning their own wrenches or living on warranty. The warranty user has been in multiple times for repairs....minor stuff, but still nuisance and time consuming.
Post by: WALLEYEGUY on June 22, 2016, 11:36:26 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2016, 11:39:11 AM
Why is a Dodge not in the running?
Just curious
The few remaining friends that still own dodges are either turning their own wrenches or living on warranty. The warranty user has been in multiple times for repairs....minor stuff, but still nuisance and time consuming.
You'll be there regardless of what vehicle you choose if you want my .02
Post by: Mxracer532 on June 22, 2016, 11:39:24 AM
My other brother has had front end issues along with hubs.
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on June 22, 2016, 11:45:36 AM
Post by: jackelope on June 22, 2016, 11:46:46 AM
I am in the same boat, done tons of research on both and I have decided that the Duramax is the best all around rig. 2 of my brothers have Cummins 2012 and a 2013, The 2013 broke down on his way to boise last weekend. Check engine light with a message stating he had X amount of miles till limp mode. Got it to a Stealership somewhere and got a rental. He picked it back up on the way back and they said it was a sensor. Charged him $200 and sent him on his way. He made if back 150 or so miles and same problem. Broke down with the same message and had to have someone come pick him up with a flat bed. He plans to either trade it in on a Duramax or delete all emissions *censored* off it.
My other brother has had front end issues along with hubs.
Not sure where to go with this. Here's my take. The first dealership didn't fix it correctly. That's not the truck's fault. That's the technician who didn't fix it properly.
If you think you're going to buy a truck that just isn't going to break, you're going to be sadly mistaken. Cars break down all the time. It just happens.
Not sure why folks have to throw the insults around when people are just trying to help. Not all dealerships or shops are thieves. However, fixing stuff isn't free either. Most people don't work for free and most businesses are not in business to not make money. You don't work for free, do you?
Post by: Mxracer532 on June 22, 2016, 01:00:01 PM
I am in the same boat, done tons of research on both and I have decided that the Duramax is the best all around rig. 2 of my brothers have Cummins 2012 and a 2013, The 2013 broke down on his way to boise last weekend. Check engine light with a message stating he had X amount of miles till limp mode. Got it to a Stealership somewhere and got a rental. He picked it back up on the way back and they said it was a sensor. Charged him $200 and sent him on his way. He made if back 150 or so miles and same problem. Broke down with the same message and had to have someone come pick him up with a flat bed. He plans to either trade it in on a Duramax or delete all emissions *censored* off it.
My other brother has had front end issues along with hubs.
Not sure where to go with this. Here's my take. The first dealership didn't fix it correctly. That's not the truck's fault. That's the technician who didn't fix it properly.
If you think you're going to buy a truck that just isn't going to break, you're going to be sadly mistaken. Cars break down all the time. It just happens.
Not sure why folks have to throw the insults around when people are just trying to help. Not all dealerships or shops are thieves. However, fixing stuff isn't free either. Most people don't work for free and most businesses are not in business to not make money. You don't work for free, do you?
Here is my take on what happened. He went in to the service department told them he was from Washington State and was on his way to Boise and explained the problem. The tech knew the situation ran the codes, cleared the codes and that was it. Brother shows up to pick up truck, they say it was a sensor (not under factory warrantee of course) and here is your $200 bill. 150 miles later same problem. That's what I think happened. Does every dealership do *censored* like this? NO but im sure their is more than one.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on June 22, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
Post by: Encore 280 on June 22, 2016, 01:26:57 PM
Post by: jrebel on June 22, 2016, 05:36:23 PM
With that said, I am a dodge fan and can say first hand the dodges are great rigs. Sounds like the new transmission is every bit as strong as the Alyson trany chevi uses. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out in the next 3-4 years.
Good luck with your purchase and make sure to post an update with pics. Would also be nice to hear your review given some time behind the seat. :tup:
Post by: MagKarl on June 23, 2016, 12:52:11 PM
Post by: engelwood on June 23, 2016, 01:32:30 PM
Post by: BrandonWatts on June 24, 2016, 06:47:01 AM
2015 with bad EGR cooler at 48,000 and a 2014 with a bad EGR cooler at 55,000. Happened two weeks apart. Both warranty covered. No other issues with either.
This is what we been see in our fleet. Seem the egr cooler fail quit often. Also seem problems with the def pre heaters. Other then that they have been pretty good trucks. Our trucks see a lot of idle time which could be the main problem with the get coolers.
Post by: whacker1 on June 24, 2016, 07:16:14 AM
Post by: BrandonWatts on June 24, 2016, 07:32:45 AM
Ford told us they had upgraded the egr coolers and once they were changed we shouldn't see anymore problems. Seem like once a year we were still having them changed out. But like I said our trucks see a lot of idle time. Most of them are buffer trucks. The f550 we have quick is a sign truck doesn't has any issues but a lot less idle time on it.
Post by: whacker1 on June 24, 2016, 08:11:34 AM
Deleting the whole system would be the best way to fix the problems.
Ford told us they had upgraded the egr coolers and once they were changed we shouldn't see anymore problems. Seem like once a year we were still having them changed out. But like I said our trucks see a lot of idle time. Most of them are buffer trucks. The f550 we have quick is a sign truck doesn't has any issues but a lot less idle time on it.
are you seeing the same trucks going in once per year, or is it those that haven't been changed out yet. Mine will be a daily driver, so stop and go traffic 3-5 days per week and running wide open on the highway 2-4 days per week.
Post by: jackelope on June 24, 2016, 08:21:36 AM
Has anyone found any long term solutions on the EGR cooler? aftermarket solutions, etc?
Bulletproof doesn't make one for the 6.7(yet I assume).
Post by: whacker1 on June 24, 2016, 08:33:02 AM
Has anyone found any long term solutions on the EGR cooler? aftermarket solutions, etc?
Bulletproof doesn't make one for the 6.7(yet I assume).
confirmed they do not offer one. I inquired to see if a solution for the 6.7 is in the works.
Are you seeing the same trucks come back that have already had the EGR cooler replaced?
Post by: jackelope on June 24, 2016, 08:46:20 AM
Has anyone found any long term solutions on the EGR cooler? aftermarket solutions, etc?
Bulletproof doesn't make one for the 6.7(yet I assume).
confirmed they do not offer one. I inquired to see if a solution for the 6.7 is in the works.
Are you seeing the same trucks come back that have already had the EGR cooler replaced?
No.
One and done, and they're not nearly as expensive as the 6.0's as the labor is significantly less $$.
I agree with the idle time issues. Most of the 6.7 EGR coolers we've done recently are construction trucks off of the 520 project with lots of engine hours and not a lot of miles...like companies that change oil based off of hours rather than miles. Throws the fleet management companies off every time I call them.
Post by: whacker1 on June 24, 2016, 10:39:36 AM
Has anyone found any long term solutions on the EGR cooler? aftermarket solutions, etc?
Bulletproof doesn't make one for the 6.7(yet I assume).
confirmed they do not offer one. I inquired to see if a solution for the 6.7 is in the works.
Are you seeing the same trucks come back that have already had the EGR cooler replaced?
No.
One and done, and they're not nearly as expensive as the 6.0's as the labor is significantly less $$.
I agree with the idle time issues. Most of the 6.7 EGR coolers we've done recently are construction trucks off of the 520 project with lots of engine hours and not a lot of miles...like companies that change oil based off of hours rather than miles. Throws the fleet management companies off every time I call them.
So, Ford may have solved the problem with the EGR design....too be determined?
Post by: jackelope on June 24, 2016, 11:26:52 AM
Post by: BrandonWatts on June 24, 2016, 02:34:33 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 24, 2016, 03:23:16 PM
We have had one truck that has had 2 egr cooler done under warranty. The truck is just about to roll over 100k. We have another one at a different location with an engine light on now, more then likely an egr cooler. That truck has 102k and it's the first egr failure for that truck. It will be the first one I will have to do. They dont look hard to change.
With the 6.7's, the most common reason for a check engine light, if you ask me, is the exhaust gas temperature sensors.
Post by: whacker1 on June 24, 2016, 03:36:09 PM
We have had one truck that has had 2 egr cooler done under warranty. The truck is just about to roll over 100k. We have another one at a different location with an engine light on now, more then likely an egr cooler. That truck has 102k and it's the first egr failure for that truck. It will be the first one I will have to do. They dont look hard to change.
With the 6.7's, the most common reason for a check engine light, if you ask me, is the exhaust gas temperature sensors.
What do these cost?
Post by: jackelope on June 24, 2016, 04:05:10 PM
We have had one truck that has had 2 egr cooler done under warranty. The truck is just about to roll over 100k. We have another one at a different location with an engine light on now, more then likely an egr cooler. That truck has 102k and it's the first egr failure for that truck. It will be the first one I will have to do. They dont look hard to change.
With the 6.7's, the most common reason for a check engine light, if you ask me, is the exhaust gas temperature sensors.
What do these cost?
Not a lot. There is actually a warranty extension on them too.
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15M02 EXHAUST GAS TEMPERATURE SENSOR EXTENDED COVERAGE
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We are pleased to let you know that for your peace of mind, Ford Motor Company is extending the coverage on the EGT sensors in your vehicle. This increases your coverage to a total of 11 years or 120,000 miles from the warranty start date, whichever occurs first.
If any of the four EGT sensors on your vehicle requires replacement, and your vehicle is within the indicated time/mileage limitations, Ford Motor Company has authorized your dealer to replace any malfunctioning EGT sensor free of charge (parts and labor).
Post by: BrandonWatts on June 24, 2016, 04:08:25 PM
We have had one truck that has had 2 egr cooler done under warranty. The truck is just about to roll over 100k. We have another one at a different location with an engine light on now, more then likely an egr cooler. That truck has 102k and it's the first egr failure for that truck. It will be the first one I will have to do. They dont look hard to change.
With the 6.7's, the most common reason for a check engine light, if you ask me, is the exhaust gas temperature sensors.
That may be the problem. I haven't been working on them that long. Still haven't got the computer hooked up to it yet.
Post by: Gamehunter034 on June 29, 2016, 02:43:25 AM
My buddy just traded his 2008 6.7 cummins had 68k deleted running smarty on tow mode only towing his 37ft fifth, he started having exhaust brake issues, blew a water pump on way back from Vegas fall of '15 and had to have it replaced in Shasta, supposedly factory pump and new thermostat, truck never ran the same afterwards recently said to hell with it and traded it in on a new '16 Gmc Duramax denali. Sweet truck!
I personally went back to gas I run a '13 2500 hd sierra 6.0 pulls my 24ft travel trailer with no problems, average 10mpg loaded and unloaded, couldn't justify another diesel with a 3 mile drive to work and only taking longer trips when we go camping. End result I think you cant go wrong with either the powerstroke or the duramax.
Post by: Miles on June 29, 2016, 05:06:18 AM
I just never could get past the looks of the fords?
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 29, 2016, 05:21:33 AM
Post by: Miles on June 29, 2016, 06:19:54 AM
Post by: hunthard on June 29, 2016, 08:22:10 PM
Post by: jackelope on June 29, 2016, 10:47:34 PM
Post by: quadrafire on June 30, 2016, 07:48:59 AM
Real truck suspension will do that.:chuckle:
Post by: DRobnsn on June 30, 2016, 10:31:38 AM
Post by: Miles on June 30, 2016, 10:45:37 AM
Lack of a quality suspension will do that.
Fixed it for you. ;)
Post by: ryan2202 on June 30, 2016, 11:33:43 AM
It is my first diesel, and I wouldn't have chosen another one with the high ratings it receives...
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on June 30, 2016, 12:37:33 PM
No kidding, I could drive over a nickel and tell you what year it was in my 2001 F350.
I would expect that from a 1 Ton rig. :twocents:
Post by: ryan2202 on July 07, 2016, 11:39:48 AM
Riverside noted, that because it has had two fuel pumps replaced to try to fixx the issue, and nothing is noted to be due to poor maintenance, debris in tank or anything else could've caused it - they need help to figure this out, so a Ford Deisel mechanic (from corporate?) is also in contact with them to work the problem - they just don't know what is causing the low fuel pressure - which then causes the truck to reduce power, and die.....
Post by: jackelope on July 07, 2016, 11:55:34 AM
Just to give an update - same Low Fuel Pressure, and Reduced Engine Power happened to me on July 5th. Had it towed to Riverside Ford in Sumner - where the truck still sits. They cannot figure out the problem, ruled out any poor maintenance, bad fuel, water in the fuel line, etc. Riverside contact the regional Ford Rep and escalated the issue - I also contact Ford Corporate - I was told they'll be in contact within 24hrs, starting yesterday.
Riverside noted, that because it has had two fuel pumps replaced to try to fixx the issue, and nothing is noted to be due to poor maintenance, debris in tank or anything else could've caused it - they need help to figure this out, so a Ford Deisel mechanic (from corporate?) is also in contact with them to work the problem - they just don't know what is causing the low fuel pressure - which then causes the truck to reduce power, and die.....
It's likely just Ford Hotline Assistance online. They'll send a field service engineer out in really weird cases but that's not too common. He's probably been here maybe 6 times in the 3.5 years I've been at this Ford dealer. Any idea what fault codes it had stored last time? It should be documented on the paperwork you got when you picked it up. Wouldn't shock me if they found an issue with a wiring harness or a pin connector or something along those lines. That seems to be the way a lot of these things go sometimes. The challenge will be for them to reproduce the problem. If they can reproduce it, they should be able to diagnose it. If not, it could be a crap shoot. At this point it's clearly not an issue with the fuel pump itself.
Post by: Woodchuck on July 07, 2016, 12:04:08 PM
Post by: ryan2202 on July 07, 2016, 12:07:13 PM
Just to give an update - same Low Fuel Pressure, and Reduced Engine Power happened to me on July 5th. Had it towed to Riverside Ford in Sumner - where the truck still sits. They cannot figure out the problem, ruled out any poor maintenance, bad fuel, water in the fuel line, etc. Riverside contact the regional Ford Rep and escalated the issue - I also contact Ford Corporate - I was told they'll be in contact within 24hrs, starting yesterday.
Riverside noted, that because it has had two fuel pumps replaced to try to fixx the issue, and nothing is noted to be due to poor maintenance, debris in tank or anything else could've caused it - they need help to figure this out, so a Ford Deisel mechanic (from corporate?) is also in contact with them to work the problem - they just don't know what is causing the low fuel pressure - which then causes the truck to reduce power, and die.....
It's likely just Ford Hotline Assistance online. They'll send a field service engineer out in really weird cases but that's not too common. He's probably been here maybe 6 times in the 3.5 years I've been at this Ford dealer. Any idea what fault codes it had stored last time? It should be documented on the paperwork you got when you picked it up. Wouldn't shock me if they found an issue with a wiring harness or a pin connector or something along those lines. That seems to be the way a lot of these things go sometimes. The challenge will be for them to reproduce the problem. If they can reproduce it, they should be able to diagnose it. If not, it could be a crap shoot. At this point it's clearly not an issue with the fuel pump itself.
Yeah - thats the tough part - is they cannot recreate the issue. I don't have the paperwork with me right now from my last break down to know the code - the code however is one that described Low Fuel Pressure, signifying fuel pump problems. All that has been ruled out. The 2015 year is when Ford changed the fuel sensor, combining two separate sensors into one sensor that measure fuel pressure...and...something else, I can't recall off the top of my head. Riverside has been good to me for some time now - even prior to this issue. They don't see this often at all, which is why Ford Rep is involved. Not sure what'll happen - I hope they just get it to work right, as I said earlier...its a one off - with how many trucks come out of their assembly line, and this one is the chosen one to keep you scratching your head - it is a big inconvenience, but in the long run - non-issue, as Ford will resolve it one way or another.
Post by: Happy Gilmore on July 07, 2016, 08:56:51 PM