Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Archery Gear => Topic started by: SpokaneSlayer on February 04, 2009, 02:28:53 PM
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So I'm sitting here at work, bored and start wondering what the pros and cons of both types of rests are. I am considering going to a drop away and saw this rest:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?type=product&cmCat=Related_IPL_415680&id=0014594418631a (http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/links/link.jsp?type=product&cmCat=Related_IPL_415680&id=0014594418631a)
Thoughts?
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I shoot both the original trophy taker and a shaky hunter and have had excellent results with both. Have never seen one of the Trophy Takers as in your link but they should work very well. As far as whisker biscuit rests go, you couldn't give me one. Lot's of guys love them and have good results with them, but no chance I'd ever use one.
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I love the trophy taker never had a problem with it and i have had it for 4 years now
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Thanks for the responses. Keep 'em coming. The reason I have a WB is I am a beginner and heard they were good for that. I am really starting to get serious about bowhunting now.
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I know several people who use the whisker biscuit and like them. I always thought that they would have to slow down the arrow or effect is in some way, but I guess not. I have used trophy takers and the Drop Zone, and really like the Drop Zone the best. The rest you were looking at should work just fine as long as it is times right.
good luck.
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I use a Wb and like it. Its nice to have an arrow sitting it and not worrieabout it falling of any thing and boinking against something and making some kind of noise. As for the afects, you sdjust it like you would any other rest, and i did not noitice much fo a drop in speed at all (i think it was like 2 FPS, i do not recall the exact umber its been a few years).
My hunting partner uses the drop-a-way and loves it also.
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I have the whisker biscuit. I love it for hunting. If I shoot every day it will tear my vanes every now and then. I don't shoot that much though so I just have the vane replaced. It has only happened 2 times in 4 years so that isn't bad.
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Has anybody ever had the whiskers on their whisker buiscut freeze in really snowy/cold conditions? Just something I could see potentially happening.
I shoot the Trophy Ridge Drop Zone and love it. :twocents:
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I would highly recommend the trophy taker, either the original one or the shakey hunter. I would go with the shakey hunter though. Stay away from the whisker biscuit...you really dont need something like that. I cut two pieces of foam pipe insulation and put some felt camo tape over them. Just glue those pieces ahead of the trophy taker rest to form a little slot for the arrow. If you do it right the arrow will stay in there if they bow is completely upside down.
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i use the trophy taker drop zone for 3D shoots and the wiskerbiskit for hunting. the trophy taker is definately more accurate and lets your have more fps, but the wisker is nice for not having any movement with the arrow and any sort of noise when walking around in the woods.
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I have never had my whiskers freeze in rain/snowy weather. Just take your finger and push the snow out of the whiskers and you are good to go. They do sell some stuff to spray on the whiskers if it concerns you that much. As far as the two rests I like the whisker biscuit for hunting. It contains your arrow much better and you don't really have to worry about it. It will make your vanes wavy if you use standard four inch vanes, but you can just use blazers instead and have no problems. I have never noticed any accuracy difference between the two rests. I have a drop away on my bow right now and it shoots great. The only thing I have a concern with is that the string that attaches to the cable could eventually fail and letting down my draw the arrow has a tendency to bounce off the rest and make noise. Both drop aways and whisker biscuits are easy to tune too.
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Great questions. I have used both and love both. I bought new Mathews at Spokane Valley Archery and they talked me out of putting on a whisker biscuit and talked me into a Trophy Taker Antelope series. It has been a great rest but I still really miss the whisker in hunting situations. My buddy uses Walmart arrows and his whisker biscuit removed his fletching pretty quick. I think I'm going to leave my drop away alone for now but I do miss the biscuit.
Spokane Valley archery told me this "for years people have been trying to have minimal contact with the arrow as its going into flight and all of a sudden a 100% contact rest comes out, its going to slow down your arrows speed" or something like that. He talked me out of it. The way that I look at in now, the speed these new bows are traveling at you are just missing the animal that much quicker :chuckle: Don't let that be the reason you don't choose the rest.
Overall both good.
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On my daughters WB I trimmed the whiskers where the fletching would go through, no more ripped off fletching :twocents:
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I shoot the Whisker Biscuit and love it. For hunting its hard to beat. Its very quiet I've never had a issue with it.
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I tested my WB vs. a TT shakey hunter 1fps difference and much better results with the biscuit. I love them, shoot BH's out to 80yds with no problems. Plus, much quieter and works better in the cold of dec. for me.
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I've got a TT drop away on my hoyt and have had a few issues with the bolts coming loose that attach the rest to the bow..love the rest but i just have to watch it...put some loc-tite on it and its been good to go..
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The best one IMO is the vital gear drop away, it holdas the arrow in place like a biscuit so you can have it knocked while covering ground yet its a fall away so no worries of any vane issues
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Trophy taker, can't go wrong.
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I have no personal experience w/ a WB. Several seasoned archers I've talked to have related related some bad experiences w/ WBs. The fact that they are plastic turns me off on em. I don't like the idea of my hunt being over w/ 1 fall. See I fall alot :chuckle:
I ended up going w/ a TT XtremeFC Angled. It's nails!
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I have no personal experience w/ a WB. Several seasoned archers I've talked to have related related some bad experiences w/ WBs. The fact that they are plastic turns me off on em. I don't like the idea of my hunt being over w/ 1 fall. See I fall alot :chuckle:
I ended up going w/ a TT XtremeFC Angled. It's nails!
Is that the same one as the link I posted?
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I have used bolth for one season and taken multiple animals with bolth. I am going back to the wb I believe it is the best pure hunting rest their is especially if you elk hunt (mostly under 30 yards). the drop aways have the edge on the really long shots but most of us dont shoot at game past 50yds. It shure is nice when that bull is coming in and you have to make a quick move to know that your arrow is glued on (WB) or treestand, stalking whateaver. as long as you have decent form you can still drill the pie plate at 60 with some practice. I have never had a WB fail or seen one fail if it is set up right, I have worn one out . I have on a few ocasions seen the drop aways fail especially the rip chord style. I just dont want to have to worry about my precion drop away rest getting messed up when i am on a overnight hunt or screws vibrating out on my bike ect.
1 vote for the WB
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I don't think you can beat the biscuit for hunting situations. I use one and never had any problems with freezing or noticeable loss of arrow speed. The only problem I had was I would get black marks on my vanes. One trip to the bow shop and they fixed it.The new biscuit line looks much improved and it will be going on my new bow. The hassle free piece of mind to me is worth 1-2 fps.
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Sorry, but I have been archery hunting for 25 years. And for every one of those years I have spent hours at times tuning my bow so that there was ABSOLUTELY no fletching contact with the arrow rest, regardless of the type of rest. The WB has some advantages, but anything that contacts my fletching during a shot will never be on my bow. I know many of you have good results, but the whole thing is just counter intuitive to me.
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I also dont like anything touching my fletching, there are 2 rests that are the best of both worlds.. take a look at vital bow gear and the quad Hd, both are fall away rests that hoold the arrow in place.. the best of both worlds!!
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Sorry, but I have been archery hunting for 25 years. And for every one of those years I have spent hours at times tuning my bow so that there was ABSOLUTELY no fletching contact with the arrow rest, regardless of the type of rest. The WB has some advantages, but anything that contacts my fletching during a shot will never be on my bow. I know many of you have good results, but the whole thing is just counter intuitive to me.
And while your spending hours at times tuning your bow I am out in the field scouting and hunting :chuckle:
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Used them both, the drawback of the biscut I found was they just thrash your fletchings, I was always redoing them, it held good and my Pro told me about the slowing down factor, tat with todays bows(if that's what your using) it isn't enough to worry he figurd 2-3 FPS I now use the trophytaker and love it. It takes alittle getting use to but not much. the other drawback to the WB is I think you go out of tune faster with the ever changing whiskers, I'd go through three sets a year. All that friction, with the taker i may have to change the felt out once a year maybe :twocents:
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Sorry, but I have been archery hunting for 25 years. And for every one of those years I have spent hours at times tuning my bow so that there was ABSOLUTELY no fletching contact with the arrow rest, regardless of the type of rest. The WB has some advantages, but anything that contacts my fletching during a shot will never be on my bow. I know many of you have good results, but the whole thing is just counter intuitive to me.
And while your spending hours at times tuning your bow I am out in the field scouting and hunting :chuckle:
Touche'........................ Hope that WB never tears a fletch off as your arrow passes through it, formerly on it's way to the biggest bull of your life. :dunno:
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Goldtip, most of the time my fletching rips is when I am shooting those crappy hale bayle out at the flint tip. I started bringing my own target ever time I go there.
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I dont have as good as groups with the wb.
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the WB is a good hunting rest. thats about it, you wont get crazy tight groups with one, but you can get hunting quality no doubt..... im tellin you guys.. vital bow gear and thr quad HD... best of both worlds
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I use the wisker bisket.If you use blazer vans you wont have a problem ...
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I prefer a WB for strictly hunting. You can knock an arrow, set your bow down, flip it lay it on its side and typically not worry about your arrow falling of. Its quiet and pretty fail proof, no cables, extra strings, springs, hinges like a drop away. As far as accuracy, probably more accurate with a drop away. Most of my shots archery hunting have been 40 yards and under so the little bit of noticeable accuracy between the two wouldn't make enough difference for me to switch. If I only did 3d shoots, Id switch to a dropper. :twocents:
MS
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Is that the same one as the link I posted?
It is close. The slot is angled rather than straight. It's pretty much bullet proof as far as your arrow not falling out. Essentially, as far as I can tell, it gives you the best of both worlds... benefit of the WB in terms of the holding your arrow and the accuracy of the fall away. All metal construction too.
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I would never use a wb for anything. i use a drop away for hunting, and a spring steel for 3d. i dont like the idea of having to replace the whiskers and fletchings more. when set up right a drop away will be more accurate than most people can shoot their bow anyways.
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I havent been shooting long but I have only shot a WB once and it seemed to work ok but so does my drop away.........I dont really see how it is going to mess up my hunting either.....I mean who really hikes around wiht an arrow nocked??? sounds dangerous to me.....but i havent been shooting long :dunno:
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Man, how did I miss this?? Where's my popcorn icon?
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I've been using a WB since 02. I shoot hundreds of days a year and have never had a problem. I shoot blazer vanes and they last longer than my arrows do. As far as groups, mine are usually tighter than the other guys I shoot with that have drop aways. In fact, I have friends who have shot drop aways since they first came out and they swore by them but they're starting to fall for the WB. I'm no expert or tournament shooter but I do shoot a lot and I pay close attention to the +'s and -'s of equipment and the WB is definitely tops for what I do.
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This might be of interest. Slow mo of Whisker Biscuit...
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Well said, Blue. I was being sarcastic because this topic is on my top 10 list for all-time bottomless threads. I'm an ol-timer forum junky and some threads just get me scratchin my head more than others.
As for the WB, it's a product with a solid foundation and owns the lion's share of consumers. It's one of the most popular and best selling rests on the planet. Like with every product there are pros and cons. As many of you know, the pros for this rest is why so many archers use it. The cons list for drop-aways is why I don't shoot them instead. Been there. Tried that. My opinions of products are based on plenty of field use and impirical data, not subjective, "I read it in Trophy Record Book Monster Muley Pro 3D Magazine" banter. [sorry for the rant there.]
I first tested and shot the early model WB, and then as features improved (side loading, windage and elevation adjustments...), I went full-time WB about 5 years ago. Since I started shooting this BowTech guardian last year, I switched from a WB to the new Octane Hostage Pro. It eliminates the fletch contact and is more quiet than any drop-away or WB I've shot or heard. My son and couple friends really like their Rip Cord and Drop Zone rests. But I still hear how quiet and accurate my setup is.
Good reference:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVbm7y6S5OM[/youtube]
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Shoot what you like and shoot it a lot! Right?
-Lowedog
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Shoot what you like and shoot it a lot!
Probably one of the best lines on this thread!! Archery is all about consistent and doing everything the same each and every shot. If you are comfortable with your set up and you have it dialed in for you - then you are good to go!
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:tup: so true.
I must have just needed to vent. Arrows, bullets, blow darts, I don't care. I'm on our side. :brew:
