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Title: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 03, 2016, 03:35:35 PM
Took a trip today for some catch and release on the river

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 Caught 7 total these were the 3 larger ones it was a fun morning
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: singleshot12 on July 03, 2016, 03:40:27 PM
Nice! Why did you have to release them? Don't they eat a lot of salmon eggs and smolts?
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 03, 2016, 03:42:02 PM
They eat more young fish then anything and we do catch and release here
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: metlhead on July 03, 2016, 08:39:09 PM
Like the river Romeos!
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: Encore 280 on July 03, 2016, 08:50:32 PM
I think years ago there was a bounty on them in Alaska. :tup:
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on July 03, 2016, 08:53:05 PM
Caught our fare share of them on the Skagit at Rock Port. Very good eating! Grate pics!!!!! :tup:
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: huntnphool on July 03, 2016, 08:57:10 PM
 :tup:
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 03, 2016, 09:02:50 PM
One more
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Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: Utah on July 03, 2016, 10:12:35 PM
Damn!  Im Jealous!  That is sweet!
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: sled on July 03, 2016, 10:18:34 PM
Did well catching them on them on the methow with a wedding ring.  All were released as well.  Years ago.
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 03, 2016, 10:21:11 PM
They are like Bulldogs in the water it's still early for them give it a month and some real bruisers will be in the rivers  :tup:
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: DaveMonti on July 03, 2016, 10:41:45 PM
I'd love to get after them with a fly rod!  Jake, you'll have to tell me your secrets!

Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 03, 2016, 10:44:17 PM
In 2 weekends I'm heading back your welcome to join
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: DaveMonti on July 03, 2016, 10:47:11 PM
I'll plan on it, definitely something to look forward to!
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 03, 2016, 10:48:47 PM
Never fly fished but I'm sure some who haves could chime in on what to use or just a big fish pattern???
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: DaveMonti on July 03, 2016, 10:51:25 PM
I think just a big streamer will work.  I've read that white is a good color, anything that is a big and flashy fly.

Are they active at this time of year?  Maybe it is that the conditions are just right?   Maybe you have a sweet spot!
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 03, 2016, 10:56:52 PM
Like the river Romeos!

 Summer fishing attire  :dunno:
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: constructeur on July 03, 2016, 11:00:06 PM
When salmon smolts migrate a small baitfish pattern swung across the current and retrieved up the bank does well. Otherwise flashy and exciting flies that would mimic a spinner or spoon do fine. These particular Char are predatory, and opportunistic, and will chew on quite a few different offerings.

Keep in mind, a few years ago the law changed making it unlawful to completely lift C&R salmon, steelhead, and dollys/bulls completely out of the water. Knotless nets help a bit with this, as do smashed barbs.

Edit, added Bull trout intel from the old North Sound bio: http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/forum/threads/a-skagit-bull-trout-bio.83193/
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 03, 2016, 11:34:16 PM
When salmon smolts migrate a small baitfish pattern swung across the current and retrieved up the bank does well. Otherwise flashy and exciting flies that would mimic a spinner or spoon do fine. These particular Char are predatory, and opportunistic, and will chew on quite a few different offerings.

Keep in mind, a few years ago the law changed making it unlawful to completely lift C&R salmon, steelhead, and dollys/bulls completely out of the water. Knotless nets help a bit with this, as do smashed barbs.

Edit, added Bull trout intel from the old North Sound bio: http://www.washingtonflyfishing.com/forum/threads/a-skagit-bull-trout-bio.83193/

Good read there ! Where we fish it's not mandatory ( in the rules ) we self rule it because we don't see the numbers that we used to plus in my opinion they are not the best table fair just a blast to catch
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: fish vacuum on July 04, 2016, 01:21:14 AM
Very nice fish! They make for a good fishery that many overlook. They're super aggressive and will hit just about anything that might fit in their mouth.
The fish in those pics are some real pigs!
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: boneaddict on July 04, 2016, 08:56:18 AM
I'd love to get after them with a fly rod!  Jake, you'll have to tell me your secrets!
Muddler minnows work well.  Flashy stuff.   I used a purple and Mylar combo of my own creation when I was targeting them sometimes Lots of steelhead stuff.  Usually swinging through fast water.   They are aggressive.   
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: BOWHUNTER45 on July 04, 2016, 09:43:29 AM
Nice .. :tup:
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: DaveMonti on July 04, 2016, 09:48:24 AM
I thought all bull trout are catch and release.
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 04, 2016, 09:49:21 AM
On the skagit you can keep if over 20"
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: DaveMonti on July 04, 2016, 09:55:32 AM
Thanks.  I don't keep anything, but I know you can't even target them in Montana, so I didn't think you could keep hem here. 
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 04, 2016, 10:03:17 AM
My opinion they aren't good eating but they are fun to catch and release
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: singleshot12 on July 04, 2016, 11:03:37 AM
I think years ago there was a bounty on them in Alaska. :tup:

Washington too,I think around the 1950's.

One of the reasons they were named "Bull Trout" I believe was becuase they were known to ram a steelhead or chinook in the belly knocking the eggs out of her to eat.

They are a pretty fish though,fun to fight and are great smoked.
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 04, 2016, 11:23:11 AM
If you haven't ever caught one you will be surprised at how well they fight ! And they will use the fast water to their advantage that's for sure
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: singleshot12 on July 04, 2016, 11:51:26 AM
Maybe why the flyfishing clubs wanted to preserve the all mighty Dolly. They are sure thick out there now.
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: Bill W on July 04, 2016, 12:41:22 PM
The "dollies" are thought to be sea-going bull trout per WDFW. 
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 04, 2016, 12:46:11 PM
Well 15 years or so ago we would just nail them and slowly over probably 10 years it wasn't so good but I think they're making a strong comeback and a lot has to do with releasing them I haven't kept one in probably all of 15 years they are a cool fish and very pretty
 I encourage people to release them but it's everyones own choice
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: boneaddict on July 05, 2016, 06:43:49 AM
I think its mostly the law now to do so.  At least most of the waters I fish. 
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: sumbeech66 on July 05, 2016, 09:39:12 AM
Great post.

I think I have opened it up 5 times to see the pictures. Way to go. Not a fishery that is talked about much...(that I know of anyway)
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: krout81 on July 05, 2016, 09:46:58 AM
Caught one in the Puyallup while fishing for silvers 3 years ago.  Thought it was a silver until I pulled it out. 
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: Alchase on July 05, 2016, 10:26:18 AM
The "dollies" are thought to be sea-going bull trout per WDFW. 

Not anymore

"Early studies described these fish as a variety of the Arctic char, while later work declared them to be a separate species. For a long time, the bull trout was considered just a localized version of the Dolly Varden. Now many fisheries scientists believe that Dolly Varden and bull trout are two distinct species that look amazingly similar.

Bull trout and Dolly Varden are difficult to distinguish from each other, even for specialists. Dolly Varden tend to have a more rounded body shape while bull trout have a larger, more flattened head and a more pronounced hook on the lower jaw. Some scientists believe that one of the distinguishing characteristics of bull trout is that they do not migrate to saltwater. However, Washington biologists have recently found bull trout in Puget Sound.
Bull trout and Dolly Varden can be distinguished from eastern brook trout by the absence of vermiculations ("worm tracks") on their back. In addition, the eastern brook trout's red spots are surrounded by blue halos. To keep things interesting, though, bull trout and brook trout have been known to spawn together. Their hybrid offspring can have features of both parents. (Hybridization can be a serious problem in some areas, resulting in the dilution or destruction of the gene pool of the native bull trout.)"
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: Bill W on July 05, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
check with the Mill Creek office and you get the opinion that they are bulls.   I had an e-discussion with a retired bio out of that office. 
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 05, 2016, 03:49:32 PM
Some good to know facts I would say that these were bull trout if the description is correct
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: kodiak 907 on July 05, 2016, 04:50:17 PM
Almost all bull trout up that way. We released a few on Sunday.

Big black bunny on the fly rod and copper/black spoons on the spinning rod.

Good time fishing for these guys.
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 05, 2016, 05:17:00 PM
 :tup: that 1st one is a brute you get a weight and length ? 
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: Shooting Stix on July 05, 2016, 05:26:01 PM
This is a Dolly Varden I caught on the Kenai River Alaska several years ago
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 05, 2016, 05:28:15 PM
 :tup: they are fun
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: kodiak 907 on July 05, 2016, 05:42:47 PM
:tup: that 1st one is a brute you get a weight and length ?

Almost 27" so I guess 7-8 pounds maybe. Was pretty fat.
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 05, 2016, 05:44:31 PM
Ya full round good looking fish
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: DaveMonti on July 05, 2016, 08:52:25 PM
Any wild fish like those are true trophies in my book.  I'm looking forward to getting up there!

Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 05, 2016, 08:55:00 PM
Any wild fish like those are true trophies in my book.  I'm looking forward to getting up there!

 That's very true that's why we do what we do  :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: lokidog on July 05, 2016, 10:18:06 PM
Pretty fish!

Hooked one on the Tieton River many years ago that would have topped three feet if I taped it.  I managed to get it in close after a huge run downriver but busted it off five feet in front of me when I got cocky with it.  What a fish!
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: Gringo31 on July 06, 2016, 04:00:24 PM
When I was in Naknek Alaska, we would send wheelbarrow loads of them through the grinder and back out to the river...
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 06, 2016, 04:14:56 PM
Ya up north they are a pest fish we would catch a lot but the sizes down here seem bigger
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: Gobble Doc on July 08, 2016, 09:37:34 PM
White streamer.  Swing. 
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 09, 2016, 12:09:35 PM
Couple skykomish river Dolly's this morning

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Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: bearpaw on July 09, 2016, 12:24:00 PM
When I was a kid we fished for Dolly Varden and Kamloops Rainbows in Kootenay Lake, BC many times every year. I usually rigged up for the Kamloops, but my dad favored the Dollies, his best Dolly was 14 pounds and some change, I miss those fishing trips. One time I even caught a huge 8 pound burbot while trolling for big trout, that was a surprise to reel that thing in, it was my biggest burbot ever and I caught it on a big plug!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 09, 2016, 01:03:20 PM
14 lb dolly WOW !!! I've caught some in the 9-10 lb range  but nothing like that! I've heard those kamloops bows really fight  :tup:
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: DaveMonti on July 09, 2016, 01:53:14 PM
Now you're fishing on the Sky Jake?  I have to get down there!  Were you wading or fishing from a boat?
How's the Sultan Shin Dig?
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 09, 2016, 02:24:57 PM
Ya Lauren's game was at 8:45 this morning so went for about an 1.5 hours. I woke up at 4:30 and decided what the hell I hooked 9 and landed 6 one of them I lost was probably the biggest so far this year! I was in n shorts and romeo's just wading around
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: DaveMonti on July 09, 2016, 02:32:14 PM
I may just have to get out there tomorrow morning, throw a few flies.  Were you above the falls?
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 09, 2016, 03:00:22 PM
Above the mouth of the Wallace river
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: bearpaw on July 11, 2016, 12:46:18 PM
14 lb dolly WOW !!! I've caught some in the 9-10 lb range  but nothing like that! I've heard those kamloops bows really fight  :tup:

The only places I've heard of them that big is in the big lakes like Kootenay and Lake Pend Orielle.
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: JakeLand on July 27, 2016, 10:10:24 PM
Hit the river again only got 2 dollies but Hooked and lost a big king

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Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: pd on July 27, 2016, 10:26:19 PM
14 lb dolly WOW !!! I've caught some in the 9-10 lb range  but nothing like that! I've heard those kamloops bows really fight  :tup:

The only places I've heard of them that big is in the big lakes like Kootenay and Lake Pend Orielle.

Dale, there is a place on the westside where the Dollies are as long as your arm.  I have never weighed them, so I can't say for sure on that one.  But they are there, no doubt about it.  I might even be able to draw you a map.   8)
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: BigGoonTuna on July 28, 2016, 07:47:55 AM
i caught one in the lower teens from the skokomish river where it runs into lake cushman back in 2000.
Title: Re: Dolly Varden
Post by: Alchase on July 28, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
About a mile up the trail from the Cushman Rangers Station use to be the "Dolley hole" My dad and uncle use to pull a lot of fish out of that hole.
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