Post by: RallyDawg on July 19, 2016, 02:27:55 PM
Post by: kodiak 907 on July 19, 2016, 02:33:56 PM
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Post by: Rider on July 19, 2016, 02:36:18 PM
Post by: CoryTDF on July 19, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Lightweight 2 man tent. Plenty of room to sleep with gear stored inside tent.
This! :yeah:
I love the comfort of a hammock but you will get cold! By the time you spend the money for the under insulation and the tarp for the hammock you could have just gotten a tent. IMHO.
Post by: ridgefire on July 19, 2016, 03:50:52 PM
Post by: HighCountryHunter88 on July 19, 2016, 04:13:24 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 19, 2016, 04:16:36 PM
Lightweight 2 man tent. Plenty of room to sleep with gear stored inside tent.:yeah: Yup a tent under 4 lbs and plenty of room. I like being sealed off from the bugs and the elements.
Post by: JeffRaines on July 19, 2016, 05:21:26 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on July 19, 2016, 05:36:50 PM
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Post by: dscubame on July 19, 2016, 10:15:05 PM
Hammock and rainfly.
That is sweet. You know the weight of that set up?
Post by: kodiak 907 on July 20, 2016, 05:44:38 AM
Hammock and rainfly.
That is sweet. You know the weight of that set up?
Under 3 pounds with the heavy duty straps.
Post by: ian_padron on July 20, 2016, 12:08:21 PM
My next ultralight set up will be a Bearpaw Wilderness Designs La Garita 2, weighing a whopping 17 ounces.
Floorless is flat out better. More room, less weight, less mess, more versatile...
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Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on July 20, 2016, 12:15:29 PM
Post by: Tbob on July 20, 2016, 07:04:43 PM
Post by: Branden on July 20, 2016, 08:54:22 PM
That's been my experience while using a tarp in Alaska and Washington.
Post by: MtnMuley on July 20, 2016, 08:58:56 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 20, 2016, 09:14:50 PM
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on July 20, 2016, 09:20:28 PM
Post by: Antlershed on July 20, 2016, 09:25:35 PM
For our elk hunt this year we will be sleeping in a Kifaru Tut though.
Post by: jeffro on July 20, 2016, 09:36:20 PM
Good to about -10 or so
Waterproof and warm
That and a space blanket if it's raining
Post by: heronblu on July 20, 2016, 10:38:18 PM
Hammock and rainfly.
I tried the hammock and tarp setup for a few seasons but I found that in the cold weather it was really difficult to stay warm in the hammock. I still like the idea of it because you aren't limited to flat terrain for sleeping but I couldnt figure out how to get the right amount of insulation without adding a ton of weight to my pack. Any tips?
Post by: kodiak 907 on July 21, 2016, 05:36:00 AM
Hammock and rainfly.
I tried the hammock and tarp setup for a few seasons but I found that in the cold weather it was really difficult to stay warm in the hammock. I still like the idea of it because you aren't limited to flat terrain for sleeping but I couldnt figure out how to get the right amount of insulation without adding a ton of weight to my pack. Any tips?
Cut a custom ccf pad that fits into your hammock, upgrade your bag, or go with the under quilt.
Post by: Miles on July 21, 2016, 06:23:17 AM
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Post by: UBA on July 21, 2016, 11:58:59 PM
Hammock and rainfly.Only way to go
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 22, 2016, 08:28:02 AM
Hammock and rainfly.Only way to go
As long as you're below the timberline ;)
Post by: jackelope on July 22, 2016, 09:03:05 AM
It would certainly be awkward with no trees and all.Hammock and rainfly.Only way to go
As long as you're below the timberline ;)
I have a BA Fly Creek UL1 I'd sell or trade for a 2 person tent of equal value if anyone is interested.
:dunno:
Post by: kodiak 907 on July 22, 2016, 11:16:50 AM
Post by: MtnMuley on July 26, 2016, 09:59:20 AM
It would certainly be awkward with no trees and all.Hammock and rainfly.Only way to go
As long as you're below the timberline ;)
I have a BA Fly Creek UL1 I'd sell or trade for a 2 person tent of equal value if anyone is interested.
:dunno:
You must have gotten tired of your head being in the vestibule. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on July 26, 2016, 05:36:54 PM
It would certainly be awkward with no trees and all.Hammock and rainfly.Only way to go
As long as you're below the timberline ;)
I have a BA Fly Creek UL1 I'd sell or trade for a 2 person tent of equal value if anyone is interested.
:dunno:
You must have gotten tired of your head being in the vestibule. :chuckle:
I'm blessed, bro.
:chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 26, 2016, 06:37:56 PM
Post by: jackelope on July 26, 2016, 06:51:54 PM
Post by: Miles on July 26, 2016, 06:57:11 PM
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Post by: MtnMuley on July 26, 2016, 08:10:59 PM
Post by: WaltAlpine on August 05, 2016, 05:31:56 PM
Coleman tube tent.
8 bucks. Will last a few trips. Cover and ground cloth all in one. Indescribably light.
It's not a tent but works as good as most tarp set ups.
I grew up under 6 mil poly. A little bug net over the face for mosquitos and I'm good.
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Post by: jtw on August 08, 2016, 12:35:06 PM
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Post by: kentrek on August 08, 2016, 01:09:54 PM
Parachute cut to fly shape, with a nylon string.
Where do you get a parachute?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 08, 2016, 03:51:58 PM
Parachute cut to fly shape, with a nylon string.
Where do you get a parachute?
PARACHUTE STORE. :chuckle:
SURPLUS STORES, EBAY ETC...
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/parachute-canopy
Post by: kentrek on August 08, 2016, 06:48:11 PM
Parachute cut to fly shape, with a nylon string.
Where do you get a parachute?
PARACHUTE STORE. :chuckle:
SURPLUS STORES, EBAY ETC...
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/parachute-canopy
Lol thanks :tup:
Post by: Okanagan on August 09, 2016, 10:08:38 AM
I rarely camp above timberline with my flat tarp. If you plan to camp above timberline, get a tent.
If it is bug season, and most Fall hunting is after the bugs where I hunt, then take a separate mosquito net as several have suggested. I use the regular net from REI made to cover a full size bed, and tie up one end over my head enough to let me sit up under it while the remainder drapes down to the ground and slopes down to drape around my sleeping bag at about my hips. I could trim off at least half of the net. Rig it sideways and up to three people can sleep side by side with heads and shoulders under the bug free space.
I own three backpack tents, a pre-shaped silnylon tarp tent and a 6 man tipi. I use them for compact car camping but have never backpacked any of them except for the tarptent and it did not work well at one of the places I carried it. My wife way prefers the privacy and sense of protection from a tent. YMMV. My next really cold winter backpack hunt I will take the tipi if others go with me. Solo, I flat tarp it.
Post by: Bushcraft on August 10, 2016, 11:17:29 AM
For summer scouting trips where bugs are really bad, I'm on the move and I don't want to bother with finding level ground to sleep, I use my Hennessey Hammock assuming I'll have access to good sized trees.
http://hennessyhammock.com/products/explorer-ultralite-asym-zip
If I want to go bare bones in awesome weather where I can find a flat spot and bugs aren't an issue, my Hilleberg Bivanorak gets the nod. If bugs might be an issue, I'll bring a little net that I can tuck my head and shoulders into over my bag. Works great.
If the weather looks like the dew might be heavy or if there is a very small chance of precipitation, in addition to the Bivanorak I'll bring the small silnylon tarp from my Hennessey Hammock, particularly if I know I can get down in the sub-alpine and out of most of the wind.
If there's a bigger chance of rain and maybe a little more wind, I'll use a bigger tarp, usually my Exped Helium.
If there is a good chance of a high wind variability (gusting and multi-directional), with minimal rain or humidity, and I know I can use pegs, I'm jumping up to using my Kifaru MegaTarp & Annex with the Bivanorak. Assuming you can get good purchase with pegs, the MegaTarp and Annex is bombproof and is palatial. It will easily accommodate two guys and their gear. Three in a pinch.
If conditions are the same as above, but temps are going to consistently be freezing AND there is access to decent wood, I'll bring a little wood stove to take the edge off in the mornings and night. This setup works really well for longer trips where hauling additional fuel canisters is offset by a wood stove that not only boils water, but also heats the shelter and dries out wet clothing.
If the same as above, but there will be consistent humidity, precipitation and wind, I'll add a liner to the above Bivanorak, MegaTarp, annex and wood stove combo. If you don't add the liner, you might as well be sleeping outside when once the stove dies from all the condensation that forms on the inside of the single wall shelter. ;)
https://store.kifaru.net/megatarp-p85.aspx
Note that the constant with the combinations above is the use of the Hilleberg Bivanorak. I like to have it in the pack if I need to emergency spike out from my main base camp. Is it perfect and made of the latest, greatest, lightest most breathable fabric on the planet? No. But, it is an extremely versatile piece of kit. There's nothing quite like carefully setting a small tea-light candle, jetboil or other small stove down between your feet when you want to soak up some heat mid-day when glassing.
http://us.hilleberg.com/EN/shelters/bivanorak/
If doing something like High Buck in some of the more exposed places I like to go where it's oftentimes iffy finding enough footprint room and good soil for pegging down the MegaTarp and there is a strong chance of some super crappy rain, wind, snow, sleet, spindrift, etc., then the Hilleberg Soulo gets the nod. Freakin' awesome freestanding bombproof 1-person tent. Love the modularity and I sleep like a baby at night regardless of what Mother Nature decides to dish out.
http://us.hilleberg.com/EN/tent/red-label-tents/soulo/
Post by: cumminsbassguy on August 19, 2016, 04:11:30 PM
If I'm going deep I just take my GI sleeping bag systemthis.. probably end up getting this if i get real serious about going up high
Good to about -10 or so
Waterproof and warm
That and a space blanket if it's raining
Post by: davk on August 22, 2016, 10:25:41 PM
Then it becomes a ground cloth and rainfly. Love versatile gear. ;)Hammock and rainfly.Only way to go
As long as you're below the timberline ;)
Post by: davk on August 22, 2016, 10:37:56 PM
Post by: duramax588 on August 23, 2016, 11:37:59 AM
Hammock and rainfly.switched to this setup this year and it's the best sleep I've had in the backcountry
Post by: Highmountaindan on September 14, 2016, 06:54:43 AM
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Post by: MtnMuley on September 14, 2016, 09:18:31 PM
Every tent/ shelter set up has its place. I know a lot of guys like floorless, I always wonder how many of those guys hunt the wetside of the mountains in October rainstorms? I was on top of a ridge in my hillberg the first week of September in breezy conditions and an absolute downpour at about 38 degrees. When I woke up it felt like a waterbed, the area I pitchedy my tent was a small pond. I was sure glad I had a floor! I stayed completely dry and warm for 3 days despite the conditions. I use a hillberg nallo gt for nasty conditions and an 25oz single wall Cuban fiber tent during summer or when conditions allow. I have not tried floorless yet, but I hope to some day. My current hunting locations/ schedule is better suited to a tent
What 25oz cubed fiber tent are you using? Z-packs?
Post by: Okanagan on September 14, 2016, 10:22:43 PM
Every tent/ shelter set up has its place. I know a lot of guys like floorless, I always wonder how many of those guys hunt the wetside of the mountains in October rainstorms? I was on top of a ridge in my hillberg the first week of September in breezy conditions and an absolute downpour at about 38 degrees. When I woke up it felt like a waterbed, the area I pitchedy my tent was a small pond. I was sure glad I had a floor! I stayed completely dry and warm for 3 days despite the conditions. I use a hillberg nallo gt for nasty conditions and an 25oz single wall Cuban fiber tent during summer or when conditions allow. I have not tried floorless yet, but I hope to some day. My current hunting locations/ schedule is better suited to a tent
First of all, don't set up in a low spot that will turn into a pond when it rains. :) My son and I have tarp camped many times on October and November Western WA backpack hunts. On our worst one it rained sideways after dumping a foot of snow that mortar bombed us as if fell off of limbs in huge chunks. It was critical to pitch the tarp and sleep on a raised spot that was not a puddle nor running water. Finding such a spot is usually easy for one person, more difficult for each body added.
Lest I get backed into sounding like a stronger advocate for tarps than makes me comfortable, please carry however much weight and stuff you want to provide the comfort level you want. Anyone can do that without putting down folks who choose lesser options that work if the user knows how to use them. Have a great hunt!
FWIW, I love the concept of a hammock in our wet forest but when I tried a Hennessey it was too claustrophobic or something for me to sleep well and I returned it. My loss but a man has to be comfortable with his own gear to hunt well.
Post by: RallyDawg on September 15, 2016, 03:10:17 PM
Post by: Vo2max on October 20, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Parachute cut to fly shape, with a nylon string.
Where do you get a parachute?
He got it at The Gettin' Place
:chuckle:
Post by: Twang on November 08, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 08, 2016, 04:23:08 PM
I've never felt more sealed than when I was in a large tipi with 4" of snow around the base and a stove inside :tup:
Post by: JLS on November 08, 2016, 04:24:50 PM
Floorless shelters, especially tipis are awesome in the snow. The snow insulates around the bottom and you don't have to worry about getting pebbles and snow on the floor.
I've never felt more sealed than when I was in a large tipi with 4" of snow around the base and a stove inside :tup:
Do you just scrape the ground clean before you pitch your tent?
Post by: Jonathan_S on November 08, 2016, 04:34:25 PM
Floorless shelters, especially tipis are awesome in the snow. The snow insulates around the bottom and you don't have to worry about getting pebbles and snow on the floor.
I've never felt more sealed than when I was in a large tipi with 4" of snow around the base and a stove inside :tup:
Do you just scrape the ground clean before you pitch your tent?
Most places that I hunt I just leave it all there. Pine needles, dead grass etc. those types of substrates are perfect. Much better than bare dirt. Sometimes in early season it can be hard to find a spot that wouldn't require pulling a bunch of plants. Still easier than a floored shelter though.
A few weeks ago, I slept in a floor less tipi that had a big clump of beargrass right in the middle. Would have been super awkward for a floored shelter but we just put the center pole there and slept on either side of it.
Post by: JLS on November 08, 2016, 07:01:27 PM
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Post by: Jonathan_S on November 08, 2016, 07:11:12 PM
Sorry, I meant scrape the snow way
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Oh haha! If it is less than a foot deep then yeah but with double folded Tyvek, I sleep right on top of it.
Post by: LandofRath on November 10, 2016, 06:19:38 PM
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Post by: Tbob on December 03, 2016, 11:17:40 AM
I'm really excited to try out my floorless this year.. Decided though not to use it in desert snake country.. I'm okay with bugs and mice and such, but diamond back rattlers, Tarantulas and scorpions........ No thanks, gotta draw my line somewhere! Haha!
Post by: passing-thru on December 03, 2016, 12:57:37 PM