Post by: Humptulips on July 21, 2016, 11:09:38 AM
Unfortunately they are not going to change anything this year. It sounds like just a paperwork thing. They will not make changes because the permits are all out and they do not want to retroactively change things. So, there will be no trapping allowed in 2016 on WEYCO lands.
The person I talked to did seem willing to listen though and I am going to have a sit down meeting in the fall when they are going over the permit program for next year. Maybe I can convince them to allow trapping in 2017, possibly after the 1st of the year. We will see.
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Appreciate your time. Thank you :tup::yeah: definitely!
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Post by: Humptulips on February 09, 2017, 03:20:37 PM
They said this was for "safety reasons". We all know that is BS. OR had proposed to only allow cage trapping on Weyerhaeuser lands and of course that is all we have in WA. Apparently there is someone there does not like trapping. Only thing I can think of. Show me a way that a cage trap is going to be dangerous and I'll eat my words.
Well, I tried and I am not sure if there is any where to go now. I was very hopeful after our meeting in November but No dice.
Post by: JakeLand on February 09, 2017, 05:33:54 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on February 09, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
Well piss on them! hopefully they have huge issues with beaver ,porkies and everything else and no one helps them out :mor:
There will be plenty standing in line to help them out.
Just look at the bear hunters....
Post by: JakeLand on February 09, 2017, 05:54:07 PM
Post by: 3nails on February 09, 2017, 06:30:46 PM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on February 09, 2017, 06:45:16 PM
It has to be frustrating to argue against that type of empty justifications, would be easier to take if they just came right out and said we don't want you doing it.
Could certainly respect the honesty that way even if it isn't the answer that was being looked for.
Post by: jasnt on February 09, 2017, 06:56:13 PM
:yeah::yeah: :yeah:
It has to be frustrating to argue against that type of empty justifications, would be easier to take if they just came right out and said we don't want you doing it.
Could certainly respect the honesty that way even if it isn't the answer that was being looked for.
Post by: jhawk13 on February 09, 2017, 09:14:31 PM
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Post by: wags on February 13, 2017, 07:49:09 PM
But I doubt that will happen, it's too bad that most outdoors-men are sell-outs.
Post by: JakeLand on February 13, 2017, 08:49:04 PM
It would be great if we could get the hunters to boycott buying Weyco permits. If Weyerhaeuser won't support trapping they won't support hunting either; when the pressure comes.
But I doubt that will happen, it's too bad that most outdoors-men are sell-outs.
:yeah:
Post by: klikboom on February 15, 2017, 08:29:22 AM
Post by: Humptulips on February 15, 2017, 11:19:45 AM
Trappers sell their catch but to say this can cause a depletion of the resource shows a lack of understanding about how most fur trappers operate.
Fur trappers tend to be very defensive of their trapline area. We like to have a good place to go back to every year, so to over harvest an area is shooting yourself in the foot.
The problem comes when someone like Weyerhaeuser can deny fur trappers access. The population grows and before you know it they have a problem, in this case probably beaver plugging culverts and flooding timberland. They then hire someone, maybe USDA, to come in and kill everything. In that scenario all those animals will most likely be thrown away, just a terrible waste plus any dams the beaver have blown out with a subsequent loss of habitat.
When I met with Weyerhaeuser representatives I offered to go along with any restrictions they wanted. A representative from The Oregon Trappers Association was there and he said they would be fine with restricting themselves to cage traps in Oregon. That is quite a concession for a State not required to use cages.
We also talked about a special access to trap that would be money in Weyerhaeuser's pocket. Trappers would pay plus they wouldn't have the burden of hiring trappers when they have a problem.
Also I truly do not understand this adamant opposition to selling wildlife. In my mind if wildlife management is practiced what does it matter whether the harvester uses it or another. History shows how bad market hunting was but it was not because of the selling it was because of a lack of management. I say let the State set harvest guidelines through seasons, bag limits and quotas but after the animal is dead there can be a regulated trade without harming any wildlife management objectives.
Post by: Machias on February 15, 2017, 02:48:05 PM
Post by: JakeLand on February 15, 2017, 03:59:50 PM
He consumes everything he traps hmmm I would think the fur would be pretty hard to pass through the intestinal track ! I prefer to put on stretchers
Post by: predatorpro on February 18, 2017, 12:34:22 PM
Well said BruceIve heard bobcat fur is especially hard to digest....atleast thats what i read n the internet once...
He consumes everything he traps hmmm I would think the fur would be pretty hard to pass through the intestinal track ! I prefer to put on stretchers
Post by: klikboom on February 18, 2017, 03:38:12 PM
I fully realize that my opinion is a minority among trappers, but then my opinions are a minority among conversationalists as well and I fall somewhere in the middle.
Specifically with regards to Weyerhauser trapping which wasn't really addressed was the group of trappers are paying for drive-in access in order to make a profit from trapping. It is more likely that trappers as a whole would take more animals since they first must pay back the access cost just to break even than in an area that provides walk in only access (can't carry as many traps etc or range as far). I acknowledge the fur-bearers are a resource and can be managed as such but limits aren't currently defined maybe Weyerhauser would do that? Was that part of the discussion? The concern is not that 1 trapper takes too many animals its that too many trappers take a just a few.
The current state of salmon fishing provides a lot of the basis for my point of view. The regulations are such that as a sports fisherman, my cost per pound of salmon is maybe 5 times the cost of in store salmon? Now that could be because I'm a terrible fisherman. In the case of salmon, there would be more harvest available for those willing to work to provide their own if there was no commercial market. Now maybe that doesn't apply directly to trapping. Recreational trapping is such a niche hobby. I do it only to collect some fur to make some cool stuff. I'd like to make my boy a beaver blanket but haven't trapped any beavers yet, only tried for a few weeks since i live in a suburban area.
Maybe it's not the commercial market competition at all that drives this post. It could be it just feels wrong to sell resources from the wild. When you associate a monetary value to something of limited supply you risk over harvesting and even if you don't over harvest it still cheapens, no pun intended, the morality of the sport. Killing to make a blanket for your kids versus selling it to the chinese does feel different to me. And maybe you get defensive because you feel bad about it too but are trying to ignore those feelings...
Or maybe I like to play the devil's advocate and this is me trolling you. I don't know! All i know is hunters who buy permits are not sell-outs and sometimes people have different opinions.
Post by: bear hunter on February 18, 2017, 04:34:11 PM
Post by: klikboom on February 18, 2017, 05:36:05 PM
About three years ago I called emailed Weyerhaeuser about trapping even had a friend who logs often on their land ask one of their reps. I would trap on their land if it was allowed. I also see reasons why they wouldn't allow it.
Post by: bear hunter on February 18, 2017, 06:10:45 PM
Hey man if you can't bear to hear a differing opinion maybe a public forum is not the right place for you. My comments are on topic specifically related to trapping on Weyerhaeuser. I don't judge anyone that recreates or operates within the law and or rules but we can certainly have a discussion about the rules. If not on a hunting forum than where? I love the strategic aspect of trapping it's a really unique way to be out in the woods. Does that mean I have to agree with any and all who participate just to participate?I can BEAR it.... I just don't under stand why you think trappers that sell there fur's are sell outs. Yes...Your right you do have the right to speak your mind. But as soon as you start turning against trappers on a trapping form. Thats not cool. Weyerhaeuser has lots of land and we as trapper won't even put a dent in the critters that rome there. :twocents:
About three years ago I called emailed Weyerhaeuser about trapping even had a friend who logs often on their land ask one of their reps. I would trap on their land if it was allowed. I also see reasons why they wouldn't allow it.
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 18, 2017, 06:27:47 PM
Post by: bear hunter on February 18, 2017, 06:40:35 PM
If we all kept track of our trapping expenses like it was a "for profit" venture. Very few of us would use something other than a red pen in our ledgers. By and large, we do this because it's our recreation. My cash outlay is every bit as large as my elk burger priced out by the pound.:yeah:
Post by: JakeLand on February 18, 2017, 06:43:16 PM
Keep preaching Bear !!!
Post by: Norman89 on February 18, 2017, 06:48:31 PM
Post by: bear hunter on February 18, 2017, 06:52:03 PM
Oh I trap for the money ! I'm just in the hole $3,000 this year is all :chuckle::chuckle: Not worth my time. Hell I have you beat Jake lol I spent about $6,000.00 so far. I was able to right off 4,000 for WCO but the rest I couldn't. :'(
Keep preaching Bear !!!
Post by: bear hunter on February 18, 2017, 06:53:35 PM
Jakeland sounds like you need one top lot cat to sell! Trapping radio reported 3700$ cats. Ten sold at that price blew me away! Wonder if weyerhaeuser has any high dollar cats with clear bellies good spots and rossetes walking around.....then maybe the money would be worth it but im always happy to just be in the woods!:yeah: Lol
Post by: klikboom on February 18, 2017, 06:56:32 PM
I don't think trappers are sell outs, my first post in the thread was a reply to the statement which was of the effect, "hunters who don't boycott Weyerhaeuser are sell outs." As a hunter and an occasional trapper who would buy a Weyerhaeuser permit, I tried to show the ridiculousness of that statement, by posing the ones who literally sell are trappers. I mean it's private land, which is good and bad, but it does mean they get to set the rules.
I'm interested in the real reason they don't allow trapping? Is it a public image thing? Is it for environmental reasons?
Post by: Humptulips on February 18, 2017, 07:33:50 PM
I've had this conversation before about the sale of wildlife products. Nobody changes their mind on these internet arguments so I don't expect this to be any different.
Myself though I like to trap but I could not do it if I had to use all the furs myself. You would have to be a pretty poor trapper if that was not the case over a number of years. So, I will continue to sell my furs and whether they are being worn by a lady from Beijing or a Russian or a millennial in Minneapolis I will feel good because I will know the fur was put to good use instead of thrown in the ditch which is what happens to beaver that cause problems on Weyerhaeuser land.
Back when I started trapping there was a lot more trappers, the prices were better and there was pressure on the resource. The water trapping season at the time was three weeks. As there has gotten to be fewer trappers and less pressure the season has increased to the point now if an animal is prime it is legal to trap. I would expect the season to shorten if that ever changed.
The real reason? I can only guess but someone either does not like trapping or someone does not like anybody on WEYCO land. I got the impression some Foresters were against it.
Post by: klikboom on February 18, 2017, 10:53:50 PM
Post by: bear hunter on February 19, 2017, 10:34:42 AM
I would be willing to bet that if there was not a market for fur it would be illegal to trap except for a few hired by the government. It is that way in places in Europe. I know in the Netherlands they trap thousands of muskrat every year besides using poison on them and never a one is used. Toss them in an incinerator.very well said Bruce :tup:
I've had this conversation before about the sale of wildlife products. Nobody changes their mind on these internet arguments so I don't expect this to be any different.
Myself though I like to trap but I could not do it if I had to use all the furs myself. You would have to be a pretty poor trapper if that was not the case over a number of years. So, I will continue to sell my furs and whether they are being worn by a lady from Beijing or a Russian or a millennial in Minneapolis I will feel good because I will know the fur was put to good use instead of thrown in the ditch which is what happens to beaver that cause problems on Weyerhaeuser land.
Back when I started trapping there was a lot more trappers, the prices were better and there was pressure on the resource. The water trapping season at the time was three weeks. As there has gotten to be fewer trappers and less pressure the season has increased to the point now if an animal is prime it is legal to trap. I would expect the season to shorten if that ever changed.
The real reason? I can only guess but someone either does not like trapping or someone does not like anybody on WEYCO land. I got the impression some Foresters were against it.
Post by: cougforester on February 19, 2017, 11:01:22 AM
I would be willing to bet that if there was not a market for fur it would be illegal to trap except for a few hired by the government. It is that way in places in Europe. I know in the Netherlands they trap thousands of muskrat every year besides using poison on them and never a one is used. Toss them in an incinerator.
I've had this conversation before about the sale of wildlife products. Nobody changes their mind on these internet arguments so I don't expect this to be any different.
Myself though I like to trap but I could not do it if I had to use all the furs myself. You would have to be a pretty poor trapper if that was not the case over a number of years. So, I will continue to sell my furs and whether they are being worn by a lady from Beijing or a Russian or a millennial in Minneapolis I will feel good because I will know the fur was put to good use instead of thrown in the ditch which is what happens to beaver that cause problems on Weyerhaeuser land.
Back when I started trapping there was a lot more trappers, the prices were better and there was pressure on the resource. The water trapping season at the time was three weeks. As there has gotten to be fewer trappers and less pressure the season has increased to the point now if an animal is prime it is legal to trap. I would expect the season to shorten if that ever changed.
The real reason? I can only guess but someone either does not like trapping or someone does not like anybody on WEYCO land. I got the impression some Foresters were against it.
I sure don't mind trapping, and like it, especially when they start building dams and wrecking my plantations. However, I would be pretty pissed if I was working near a stream and my dog got into a trap. If it was the foresters who were pushing back on it, there would have to be some sort of happy medium... GPS trap locations maybe? I don't know.
Post by: JakeLand on February 19, 2017, 11:05:52 AM
Post by: cougforester on February 19, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
Dog get into a cage trap for beaver ??? All my beaver cages are 10x10 x40 and completely under water . Catching a dog is very unlikely now with a cat cage it is possible for a medium to small dog but a lab size dog would just back out
Fair. I've got a lab, so I guess it wouldn't be an issue. That was the only thing that I would have an issue with. Bring on the traps!
Post by: huntingfool7 on February 19, 2017, 11:25:33 AM
Washington legal traps are as dog friendly as they come. I hunt upland and waterfowl with a small pack of dogs. I have no worries about one of them getting caught in a cage trap. In fact, I routinely bring dogs while checking traps. The one pictured is a 28 lb field bred springer spaniel. She'd easily fit into any cage trap I'm using.I would be willing to bet that if there was not a market for fur it would be illegal to trap except for a few hired by the government. It is that way in places in Europe. I know in the Netherlands they trap thousands of muskrat every year besides using poison on them and never a one is used. Toss them in an incinerator.
I've had this conversation before about the sale of wildlife products. Nobody changes their mind on these internet arguments so I don't expect this to be any different.
Myself though I like to trap but I could not do it if I had to use all the furs myself. You would have to be a pretty poor trapper if that was not the case over a number of years. So, I will continue to sell my furs and whether they are being worn by a lady from Beijing or a Russian or a millennial in Minneapolis I will feel good because I will know the fur was put to good use instead of thrown in the ditch which is what happens to beaver that cause problems on Weyerhaeuser land.
Back when I started trapping there was a lot more trappers, the prices were better and there was pressure on the resource. The water trapping season at the time was three weeks. As there has gotten to be fewer trappers and less pressure the season has increased to the point now if an animal is prime it is legal to trap. I would expect the season to shorten if that ever changed.
The real reason? I can only guess but someone either does not like trapping or someone does not like anybody on WEYCO land. I got the impression some Foresters were against it.
I sure don't mind trapping, and like it, especially when they start building dams and wrecking my plantations. However, I would be pretty pissed if I was working near a stream and my dog got into a trap. If it was the foresters who were pushing back on it, there would have to be some sort of happy medium... GPS trap locations maybe? I don't know.
Post by: JakeLand on February 19, 2017, 12:35:34 PM
Great pic with your dog !