Post by: gotcha on July 25, 2016, 04:24:42 PM
Post by: Tenkara on July 25, 2016, 04:38:16 PM
Post by: sled on July 25, 2016, 04:49:46 PM
I'm going to try the Barnes 290s next.
Post by: gotcha on July 25, 2016, 05:24:05 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 25, 2016, 05:28:54 PM
Right now I'm 110 grains of 777. I've shot powerbelts 300 grains. There OK. Was going to try dead center and barnssame on the powder. 300 grain bloodlines for the bullet
Post by: jjhunter on July 25, 2016, 05:56:58 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 25, 2016, 06:07:06 PM
Post by: Brushbuster on July 25, 2016, 06:19:01 PM
Post by: teanawayslayer on July 25, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
90 grains of triple 7 3fg and powerbelt 295's. Insanely accurate for an open site spoke pole.hey Justin have you ever found a slug using the powerbelts? I quit using them several years ago because The bullet just fragmented held no retention.
Post by: sled on July 25, 2016, 06:30:13 PM
I think I am at 100 grains of 777 ffg. Shooting a 290 grain Barnes tez.with a bighorn? I'd like to see a pick of where your rear site sits please, and what kind of group at 100 yards?
Post by: SeaRun1 on July 25, 2016, 06:35:15 PM
SR1
Post by: sled on July 25, 2016, 07:06:21 PM
Mine likes 300 grain Speer Deep Curls with MMP sabots in front of 90 grains 777 ffg. I also practice with TC Cheap Shots with the same amount of 777.. Who sells the deep curls? Can't find them anywhere in a Google search.
SR1
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 25, 2016, 07:20:17 PM
speerMine likes 300 grain Speer Deep Curls with MMP sabots in front of 90 grains 777 ffg. I also practice with TC Cheap Shots with the same amount of 777.. Who sells the deep curls? Can't find them anywhere in a Google search.
SR1
Post by: sled on July 25, 2016, 07:23:40 PM
for some reason the site seemed to be dead. I found the bullets, but no option to buy or see a price.speerMine likes 300 grain Speer Deep Curls with MMP sabots in front of 90 grains 777 ffg. I also practice with TC Cheap Shots with the same amount of 777.. Who sells the deep curls? Can't find them anywhere in a Google search.
SR1
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 25, 2016, 07:30:23 PM
Figured I'd get that out of the way before the Karl harassment starts. :chuckle:
Post by: jjhunter on July 25, 2016, 07:32:05 PM
90 grains of triple 7 3fg and powerbelt 295's. Insanely accurate for an open site spoke pole.hey Justin have you ever found a slug using the powerbelts? I quit using them several years ago because The bullet just fragmented held no retention.
Not in a deer, but I found one in the elk I shot last year. Perfect mushroom, almost flat. Long poke.
Post by: bear hunter on July 25, 2016, 07:40:19 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on July 25, 2016, 07:45:11 PM
I'm shooting 110 grains 777 and a 290 tez they are great and accurate at targets. But not so much at fur with me driving. (Not the guns fault in any way) :chuckle:why do you have to ruin all my fun :dunno: thought you were a smokepole sniper and those elk were just bullet proof :dunno:
Figured I'd get that out of the way before the Karl harassment starts. :chuckle:
Post by: sled on July 25, 2016, 07:49:58 PM
I'm shooting 110 grains 777 and a 290 tez they are great and accurate at targets. But not so much at fur with me driving. (Not the guns fault in any way) :chuckle:that's what I'm trying next. For reference if your shooting a bighorn can you post a pick of where your rear sight sits?
Figured I'd get that out of the way before the Karl harassment starts. :chuckle:
Post by: Westside88 on July 25, 2016, 09:00:17 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 25, 2016, 09:01:00 PM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on July 25, 2016, 09:10:10 PM
Post by: sled on July 25, 2016, 09:17:50 PM
Mine is a disc extreme but should be the same.. Thanks, did that peep come on the rifle, or aftermarket?
Post by: sled on July 25, 2016, 09:22:04 PM
I bought a Disc Extreme last summer. I received a lot of good advice on here. Sabotloader in particular shared some great information. I'm using 120 grains of 777 3f with a 300 grain bloodline and a #11 musket cap. I'm very happy with how it shoots. I plan to spend some time with different powder loads checking velocity, but for now I'm very confident in it. I will probably back down to 110 grains based on some experimentation. My Dads been shooting the same combo in his Bighorn and likes the combo. That's what I've tried, but the bullets wouldn't group out at 100, and it didn't look like the stabilized. This was at 50 yards
Post by: Brushbuster on July 25, 2016, 09:28:16 PM
I think I am at 100 grains of 777 ffg. Shooting a 290 grain Barnes tez.with a bighorn? I'd like to see a pick of where your rear site sits please, and what kind of group at 100 yards?
I am shooting the same set up that Bullblaster & Sabotloader do. I have the same on my Bighorn & Disc Extreme. See Sabotloader's 6/13/2015 post in the muzzleloader section for more info & pics. I'll see if I have some pics of last year's targets.
Post by: usmc74 on July 25, 2016, 09:33:44 PM
Both my bighorns have Williams peeps
And I shoot 777 3f, 110 gr, with a Barnes 290 TMZ, musket RWS caps
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 26, 2016, 06:05:57 AM
That's it!... Bullet proof elk! Now I understand. :tung:I'm shooting 110 grains 777 and a 290 tez they are great and accurate at targets. But not so much at fur with me driving. (Not the guns fault in any way) :chuckle:why do you have to ruin all my fun :dunno: thought you were a smokepole sniper and those elk were just bullet proof :dunno:
Figured I'd get that out of the way before the Karl harassment starts. :chuckle:
Post by: gotcha on July 26, 2016, 06:12:31 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 26, 2016, 07:15:53 AM
I need a non bullet proof elk.You and me both.
Post by: Sabotloader on July 26, 2016, 05:47:11 PM
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I have shot the 300 grain Bloodlines for years but the last few years I have switched over the Lehigh .458x305 gr. - 45-70 bullet. I get better accuracy using a MMP HPH-24 Black sabot than using the Orange 458x50 cal sabot. The 24's hold the bullet tighter in the sabot so they do not slip on ignition.
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With cap ignition I also prefer 110 gr. T7-3f ( burns cleaner and ignites easier) and I use the RWS Dynamit Noble 1075+ caps for hunting and CCI #11 Mags for recreation. The CCI's will work just fine for hunting also but I like the convoluted side of the RWS cap and the tighter fit.
Post by: 1961Wahunter on July 26, 2016, 06:08:45 PM
we have dialed our muzzy in "Big Horns " I have reached 1992 fps with a washinton legal load 137 grs of sliver triple seven and 340 gr Dead centers from Canada Precision Muzzle loader bullets...these are special alloy lead and sabot combo is exceptional...I have pass through shots on elk with this combo .... and yes I would not hunt with out my peep sight ...We use the twilight aperture and as small as with find around .040 front sight ....
Post by: SeaRun1 on July 26, 2016, 06:09:56 PM
for some reason the site seemed to be dead. I found the bullets, but no option to buy or see a price.speerMine likes 300 grain Speer Deep Curls with MMP sabots in front of 90 grains 777 ffg. I also practice with TC Cheap Shots with the same amount of 777.. Who sells the deep curls? Can't find them anywhere in a Google search.
SR1
They are pretty hard to find. I haven't seen them for a few years. I bought my last two boxes from Powder Valley.
SR1
Post by: gotcha on July 26, 2016, 06:17:05 PM
Post by: 1961Wahunter on July 26, 2016, 06:35:34 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on July 26, 2016, 06:37:29 PM
Post by: gee_unit360 on July 26, 2016, 06:38:17 PM
On my MK's I use a Williams FP peep site. It has adjustable 1/4 min clicks just like a scope. I also change the front sight over to a Williams Streamlined Ramp with a Williams Fire Site and Fire site hood... makes it appear as if you are looking through a 1X scope.
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I have shot the 300 grain Bloodlines for years but the last few years I have switched over the Lehigh .458x305 gr. - 45-70 bullet. I get better accuracy using a MMP HPH-24 Black sabot than using the Orange 458x50 cal sabot. The 24's hold the bullet tighter in the sabot so they do not slip on ignition.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv130%2Fsabotloader%2F458-305.jpg&hash=ed23af00ee24ea555cd266b7bac7ff6ebbfd8e22) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/sabotloader/media/458-305.jpg.html)
With cap ignition I also prefer 110 gr. T7-3f ( burns cleaner and ignites easier) and I use the RWS Dynamit Noble 1075+ caps for hunting and CCI #11 Mags for recreation. The CCI's will work just fine for hunting also but I like the convoluted side of the RWS cap and the tighter fit.
What size Williams streamlined front ramp do you use for a knight big horn? Also what size and height Williams fire sight do you use for a big horn?
Post by: 1961Wahunter on July 26, 2016, 06:46:27 PM
Post by: 1961Wahunter on July 26, 2016, 07:00:08 PM
Post by: gee_unit360 on July 26, 2016, 07:23:07 PM
Post by: Sabotloader on July 26, 2016, 07:55:59 PM
What size Williams streamlined front ramp do you use for a knight big horn? Also what size and height Williams fire sight do you use for a big horn?
Williams Front Sight Combinations
Two screws for the ramp... These are from Brownells
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962-020-097WB
Streamlined Ramp 3/16" Screw-on
Mfr Part: 1690
I believe Williams says a .375N front sight for this application - I prefer a .343N as it fit closer to center under a fires sight hood.
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962-564-350WB
Red Fire Sight fits 343N
Mfr Part: 56435
962-564-360WB
Red Fire Sight fits 375N
Mfr Part: 56436
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962-000-016WB
Fire Sight Hood
Mfr Part: 70031
Post by: gee_unit360 on July 28, 2016, 08:35:28 AM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on July 28, 2016, 08:49:17 AM
Thanks
Post by: elevenpt1 on July 28, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
Post by: usmc74 on July 28, 2016, 02:39:06 PM
Hey sabot loader. Couple questions. Do you know if that set up will fit with the Williams peep in the pic I posted? And also do they make that fiber optic part in green or yellow fiber? My eyes don't do well with red.
I had that williams WGRS rear sight, and changed it to the Williams FP. The Bighorn uses the FP "legend"
I couldn't see red at dusk, so I bought green replacement fiber optic material from Brownells or Midway.
I have 3 different screw in peeps, ranging from small (about .050, .090, and a twilight .120 (has a brass ring). Last elk I shot, I had no peep screwed into the sight. Heavy timber, early morning. 68yds, bedded elk
Post by: Sabotloader on July 28, 2016, 06:37:09 PM
Hey sabot loader. Couple questions. Do you know if that set up will fit with the Williams peep in the pic I posted? And also do they make that fiber optic part in green or yellow fiber? My eyes don't do well with red.
Thanks
I have one of my MK 85's set with a WGRS and the factory front site. The WGRS is mounted on the rear of the receiver. From that I would believe the Williams front combination I have suggest would work.
You can easily change the color of the fiber optic.
Post by: EyeTooth on July 29, 2016, 08:14:56 AM
Post by: 180-GRAIN on July 29, 2016, 09:06:05 AM
What size Williams streamlined front ramp do you use for a knight big horn? Also what size and height Williams fire sight do you use for a big horn?
Williams Front Sight Combinations
Two screws for the ramp... These are from Brownells
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brownells.com%2Fuserdocs%2Fproducts%2Fp_962020097_1.jpg&hash=344dc41135f66ed994530271544b309eb1640834)
962-020-097WB
Streamlined Ramp 3/16" Screw-on
Mfr Part: 1690
I believe Williams says a .375N front sight for this application - I prefer a .343N as it fit closer to center under a fires sight hood.
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brownells.com%2Fuserdocs%2Fproducts%2Fp_962564320_1.jpg&hash=9f98b3198cc662d1deeb1de6f2f50dace2676ded)
962-564-350WB
Red Fire Sight fits 343N
Mfr Part: 56435
962-564-360WB
Red Fire Sight fits 375N
Mfr Part: 56436
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962-000-016WB
Fire Sight Hood
Mfr Part: 70031
Quick question. I installed a Williams FP peep on my bighorn and like it. My question is if I order this combo is it pretty easy to install as well or do I need to order anything else in order to do it myself?
Post by: gee_unit360 on July 29, 2016, 09:30:10 AM
Hey UNit 360 What is the model # or part # for that FP Rear Sight? Did you get it a Brownells Too?
I haven't ordered it yet. I'm purchasing a new muzzleloader and am undecided what model of knight I'm going to buy. So I've been holding off on ordering the peep.
Post by: 1961Wahunter on August 14, 2016, 09:23:42 PM
Target 12" round bulls eye at 150 yds ...
FYI my front .040 fiber optic sight covers the entire 12" bulls eye at 150 yds .....
First clean barrel shot velocity 1864 fps...First shot hit 2" inches down from the top of bull dead center left and right ...
Second shot after spit patch again at 150 yds dead center of target 4" lower than first shot .....velocity on second shot 1987..
3rd shot high and right because I put to much solvent on my spit patch between shots and solvent leeched into breech and nipple causing a delay in ignition... what I call a slap bang, AKA a hang fire ....
(FYI IMO the higher velocity on 2nd shot was because of the fouled barrel I did notice a pronounced stiffer kick in my second shot)
( I will mention my 3rd and 4th shot I did use more solvent ( removing more fouling ) causing a hang fire slap bang in 3 rd shot only...
Even though I cleaned with more solvent 3rd and 4th shot I did dry out nipple and breech before my forth shot...
...However at 150 yds all four would be a lethal and ethical kill on elk or deer
...I do have pics of chronograph and targets with listed detail..
This rifle is capable shots 2, 3 and 4 all with in one inch at 150 yds...I also use my .050 peep to target practice with ...this session I used my hunting peep .062 to give you a real look at real challenges shooting muzzle loaders...
I use 137 grs of triple seven powder FFF sliver (IMO it lights better and and get closer to nipple ignition hole)
340 gr Dead Centers
RWS primers
Rick Freese
Post by: usmc74 on August 14, 2016, 09:33:01 PM
Quick question. I installed a Williams FP peep on my bighorn and like it. My question is if I order this combo is it pretty easy to install as well or do I need to order anything else in order to do it myself?
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Installing the fiber optic into the ramp can be done with a punch but make sure you have the ramp supported. I have a press that screws the sight into the ramp easy.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on August 15, 2016, 03:49:24 PM
as for powder/bullets, i shoot a 250 grain sabot with 90gr of T7 FFFG and a CCI #11 mag cap. that rifle just really seems to like that charge with every bullet i've tried.
Post by: Sabotloader on August 15, 2016, 04:48:47 PM
Hey sabot loader. Couple questions. Do you know if that set up will fit with the Williams peep in the pic I posted? And also do they make that fiber optic part in green or yellow fiber? My eyes don't do well with red.
Thanks
Hey, I really am late with this I just saw your question...
So let's start this way.... Yes the Williams FP for the Bighorn will fit right on DISC... however there is or might be a small modification you have to make to the sight to make it totally compatible with the bolt handle you have. And/or the stock you have on the rifle. If it is the regular composite stock the sight will fit OK - If it is the thicker wood stock or Kevlar stock it will not mount on the rifle correctly as it will run into your stock. Looking at your picture you should have no interference with the stock.
Look at this picture - it shows the modification necessary
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As you lift the bolt the bolt handle can run into the windage portion of the sight - depending on the elevation you need to sight the rifle in.
With a file you can file the leading edge of the sight so the bolt handle clears the sight. Once you have it filed you can then use some Alum-Black to cover your filing job.
Hope this explains what you need to know...
The front site does only come in 'Red' but it could easily be removed and another color of fiber could be installed.
Post by: DaMitt Mystagin on August 22, 2016, 04:11:32 PM
I haven't really shot peep sights since the Army, but I remember really liking them once I got used to them. I plan on giving them a try on the Bighorn.
My question is the target knob (TK) version of the Williams FP sight worth the extra money and are they durable enough for hunting? I'm thinking it may be nice to have the adjustable elevation.
Thanks in advance,
Joe
Post by: Sabotloader on August 22, 2016, 04:33:51 PM
So I'm like really late to this party on this one, but I finally broke down and bought a Knight Bighorn today. Yeah, it was post price hike, but I figure they're not coming back down.
I haven't really shot peep sights since the Army, but I remember really liking them once I got used to them. I plan on giving them a try on the Bighorn.
My question is the target knob (TK) version of the Williams FP sight worth the extra money and are they durable enough for hunting? I'm thinking it may be nice to have the adjustable elevation.
Thanks in advance,
Joe
Joe, I can only really speak for myself.... but for me - NO - on the target knobs... BUT I sight the rifle in with a 6" PBR which allows me to shoot from 0 to about 180 yard and never have the bullet any higher than 3" no lower than 3".
This sheet shows the information... If you look on the chart in the 'Point Blank' section you will the information... or look at the Range path information.
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Post by: DaMitt Mystagin on August 22, 2016, 06:24:32 PM
I'll forget the target knobs and save the extra bucks.
Joe
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Post by: steeleywhopper on September 29, 2016, 07:12:58 PM
The only time this gun has not grouped well for me was when I first got it I put some of that bore butter down the barrel.
DO NOT USE BORE BUTTER IN A KNIGHT BIGHORN, THEY HATE IT!
I scrubbed the barrel with boiling soapy water and then took it back to the range and she was dead on.