Post by: jrebel on July 27, 2016, 06:18:41 PM
Thanks for you input. :tup:
Post by: BNAElkhntr on July 27, 2016, 06:30:45 PM
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Post by: bobcat on July 27, 2016, 07:27:56 PM
Post by: Bill W on July 27, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on July 27, 2016, 07:39:09 PM
If I was hunting the big open out east, I'd probably be a bit anal about brass, matching primers, ring torque, etc to shrink the groups even more.
Post by: TVHunts on July 27, 2016, 07:53:45 PM
Different manufacturers can also have different case capacities. A 7 mag Norma case for example usually has around 2.5 gr greater h2o capacity than say a winchester case. A hot load in a Norma case would be way over pressure in a Winchester case. Best to keep them separate.
👍 I agree 100%, I do not mix brass.
Post by: Mike450r on July 27, 2016, 08:14:38 PM
Plenty fine for hunting, that being said I tend to always use same brass.
Post by: kentrek on July 27, 2016, 08:23:42 PM
Different manufacturers can also have different case capacities. A 7 mag Norma case for example usually has around 2.5 gr greater h2o capacity than say a winchester case. A hot load in a Norma case would be way over pressure in a Winchester case. Best to keep them separate.
👍 I agree 100%, I do not mix brass.
:yeah: seems like such a easy variable to eliminate...why chance it ? Every finished cartridge should be identical
Post by: actionshooter on July 27, 2016, 08:26:58 PM
Post by: jrebel on July 27, 2016, 08:29:18 PM
I don't run max loads on most of my rifles so pressures should not be an issue. I will report back in a couple weeks after I get to the range.
Post by: seth30 on July 27, 2016, 08:37:32 PM
I sort them in groups of 20 or 50 depending on the caliber I am shooting. I also have a junk pile of random brass that I don't have enough of, to make a set. I use that for my fast paced shooting on a obstacle course where the grouping doesn't matter but the fact I am hitting the target. Hope that helps :tup:the junk brass I referred too is for the AR only. The rest of my guns are strictly for hunting and always have matching brass. :tup:
Post by: TheSkyBuster on July 27, 2016, 09:05:10 PM
Same brand? When I'm dumping 9mm range pick up brass into my progressive press Im lucky if they are all the same caliber. :chuckle:
Post by: Jonathan_S on July 27, 2016, 09:42:07 PM
Same if I'm loading Barnes bullets, doesn't really matter the brass because it's going to be 2 MOA anyway :stirthepot:
If I'm loading for the 243, 25-06, either 300 etc, then I match brass and keep track of batches that have been once, twice, three times fired etc.
Post by: Bill W on July 28, 2016, 07:17:11 AM
Maybe, I will run an experiment. I will run my Winchester brass wih known load perfection :chuckle: and load up 5 of each RP and Hornady brass with the same powder charge and bullet to see how they group.
I don't run max loads on most of my rifles so pressures should not be an issue. I will report back in a couple weeks after I get to the range.
I suspect the RP and Hornady brass have different internal volumes. This would also change the velocity (and pressure) slightly and affect harmonic vibration. It's not that one mfr brass is more accurate. It's that the rifle is tuned to that harmonic vibration.
But I think in the back of your mind you knew that.
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Post by: 300rum on July 30, 2016, 07:20:51 AM
A lot of guys get worked up on brass and primers and working up loads and such and then you find out they are using the same load in Montana in November that they tested in July and August when it was 100+ degrees out.
Try it out and see if it is acceptable for hunting purposes.
Post by: seth30 on July 30, 2016, 01:35:25 PM
I think you should only load one kind of brass and send all the rest to me.:yeah: PM me for my address :chuckle:
Post by: Don Fischer on July 31, 2016, 11:50:13 AM
Maybe, I will run an experiment. I will run my Winchester brass wih known load perfection :chuckle: and load up 5 of each RP and Hornady brass with the same powder charge and bullet to see how they group.
I don't run max loads on most of my rifles so pressures should not be an issue. I will report back in a couple weeks after I get to the range.
If I may make a suggestion.Use the same powder and primer in each different brand and the same bullet. Five case's each should work. Two things you can work toward, #1 pressure sign #2 accuracy. I don't know why people skimp on brass so much, it's relatively inexpensive in common cartridge's. I recently bought some 308 case's. Something like $30+ per 50. Let's say you paid $1 per round but you reload them 5 times. make's case cost $.20 ea! People amaze me. They will spend $1000+ on a scope rather than a second rate one for $500 and then pinch penny's on case's! They will spend to much for premium bullet's when standard cup and core bullet's have been working for a hundred + years. And then get to brass and pick up range brass! Without the case, the whole damn opera falls apart! You don't need expensive brass any more than you need expensive bullet's and scope's. But use the same make brass for each loading. I have loads for different rifles with the same bullet but each braand case got worked up on it's own!
Post by: Bill W on July 31, 2016, 11:55:09 AM
Maybe, I will run an experiment. I will run my Winchester brass wih known load perfection :chuckle: and load up 5 of each RP and Hornady brass with the same powder charge and bullet to see how they group.
I don't run max loads on most of my rifles so pressures should not be an issue. I will report back in a couple weeks after I get to the range.
If I may make a suggestion.Use the same powder and primer in each different brand and the same bullet. Five case's each should work. Two things you can work toward, #1 pressure sign #2 accuracy. I don't know why people skimp on brass so much, it's relatively inexpensive in common cartridge's. I recently bought some 308 case's. Something like $30+ per 50. Let's say you paid $1 per round but you reload them 5 times. make's case cost $.20 ea! People amaze me. They will spend $1000+ on a scope rather than a second rate one for $500 and then pinch penny's on case's! They will spend to much for premium bullet's when standard cup and core bullet's have been working for a hundred + years. And then get to brass and pick up range brass! Without the case, the whole damn opera falls apart! You don't need expensive brass any more than you need expensive bullet's and scope's. But use the same make brass for each loading. I have loads for different rifles with the same bullet but each braand case got worked up on it's own!
Amen brother.
Post by: seth30 on July 31, 2016, 11:58:05 AM
Those Tasco scopes have gone up since I bought one at K mart years ago. :chuckle:Maybe, I will run an experiment. I will run my Winchester brass wih known load perfection :chuckle: and load up 5 of each RP and Hornady brass with the same powder charge and bullet to see how they group.
I don't run max loads on most of my rifles so pressures should not be an issue. I will report back in a couple weeks after I get to the range.
If I may make a suggestion.Use the same powder and primer in each different brand and the same bullet. Five case's each should work. Two things you can work toward, #1 pressure sign #2 accuracy. I don't know why people skimp on brass so much, it's relatively inexpensive in common cartridge's. I recently bought some 308 case's. Something like $30+ per 50. Let's say you paid $1 per round but you reload them 5 times. make's case cost $.20 ea! People amaze me. They will spend $1000+ on a scope rather than a second rate one for $500 and then pinch penny's on case's! They will spend to much for premium bullet's when standard cup and core bullet's have been working for a hundred + years. And then get to brass and pick up range brass! Without the case, the whole damn opera falls apart! You don't need expensive brass any more than you need expensive bullet's and scope's. But use the same make brass for each loading. I have loads for different rifles with the same bullet but each braand case got worked up on it's own!
Post by: JJD on August 01, 2016, 08:31:15 PM
I suppose that I just like fooling around with firearms and reloading.Maybe, I will run an experiment. I will run my Winchester brass wih known load perfection :chuckle: and load up 5 of each RP and Hornady brass with the same powder charge and bullet to see how they group.
I don't run max loads on most of my rifles so pressures should not be an issue. I will report back in a couple weeks after I get to the range.
If I may make a suggestion.Use the same powder and primer in each different brand and the same bullet. Five case's each should work. Two things you can work toward, #1 pressure sign #2 accuracy. I don't know why people skimp on brass so much, it's relatively inexpensive in common cartridge's. I recently bought some 308 case's. Something like $30+ per 50. Let's say you paid $1 per round but you reload them 5 times. make's case cost $.20 ea! People amaze me. They will spend $1000+ on a scope rather than a second rate one for $500 and then pinch penny's on case's! They will spend to much for premium bullet's when standard cup and core bullet's have been working for a hundred + years. And then get to brass and pick up range brass! Without the case, the whole damn opera falls apart! You don't need expensive brass any more than you need expensive bullet's and scope's. But use the same make brass for each loading. I have loads for different rifles with the same bullet but each braand case got worked up on it's own!
While I can agree that standard cup and core bullets have been working for 100 + years, better options are now available. One can also say that more deer have been taken with a 30-30 win over the past 100 years than any other Caliber, so why spend more? Same logic. As far as expensive scopes go, as my eyes get older, I appreciate good optics more. Do you put BSA glass on your rifles? Do ya need NightForce on your rifle? Depends on what and how far you shoot.
I get your point though, pinching pennies on brass to be able to afford other gear makes no sense.
If one does not have the funds to reload effectively, ya might as well shoot factory ammo. A lot of guys put less than 30 rds through their big game rifle a year anyway. Many feel they are "sighted in" If they can hit the bottom of a 5 gal bucket at 100 yds. A guy told me that "a 5 gal bucket is about the size of a deer's vital area isn't it?"
Good to see ya around Don. :tup: