Post by: Ridgeratt on August 03, 2016, 08:52:18 PM
Wolf removal begins in Ferry County after several wolf attacks on livestock
Posted: Aug 03, 2016 4:53 PM PDT
Wolves are considered an endangered species in Washington state.
FERRY COUNTY, Wash. -
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife will be removing wolves from Ferry County after several wolf attacks on livestock.
Wildlife officials tell KHQ that the Profanity Peak wolf pack in northern Ferry County has attacked livestock at least four times this summer, which have been confirmed through radio tracking and tracks. This particular pack has 11 wolves, including pups.
A rancher who lost cattle in the attacks has taken many non-lethal steps to keep the wolves away, including removing old carcasses that attract wolves, guard dogs, turning out larger calves, and range riders that patrol the area.
Because those non-lethal efforts didn't work, Fish and Wildlife will take lethal action. The decision is based on a protocol that was established with a wolf advisory group that allows for the lethal removal of wolves in a situation in which efforts were made to dissuade the wolves from attacking that did not work.
Now, they will either be shooting from a helicopter, trapping, or shooting from the ground.
Wildlife officials say this is not something they want to do, but they feel it is the best option given the circumstances. The goal is to get the pack to stop eating livestock, and redirect them to eating what they should be feeding on: elk, deer, and moose.
The Profanity Peak pack is one of 19 in the state of Washington, 15 of which are in the northeastern part of the state. Wolves are considered an endangered species in Washington state.
http://www.khq.com/story/32680580/wolf-removal-begins-in-ferry-county-after-several-wolf-attacks-on-livestock
Post by: 25wssm on August 03, 2016, 08:58:22 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on August 03, 2016, 09:01:42 PM
Post by: dreamingbig on August 03, 2016, 09:12:56 PM
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Post by: chester on August 03, 2016, 09:13:53 PM
Hold a special hunt and charge for a tag. Generate some revenue! Wait.. Logic. Never mind.Why not quit squeezing hunters and just let them take care of it at no cost .
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Post by: Duckslayer89 on August 03, 2016, 09:14:29 PM
Hold a special hunt and charge for a tag. Generate some revenue! Wait.. Logic. Never mind.
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Delisted and over the counter tags.
Post by: dreamingbig on August 03, 2016, 09:14:56 PM
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Post by: wheels on August 03, 2016, 09:24:25 PM
Post by: rtspring on August 03, 2016, 09:32:48 PM
Post by: Bob33 on August 03, 2016, 09:47:10 PM
The goal is to get the pack to stop eating livestock, and redirect them to eating what they should be feeding on: elk, deer, and moose.>:(
Post by: Gonehuntin01 on August 03, 2016, 09:52:37 PM
Post by: mfswallace on August 03, 2016, 10:06:12 PM
Post by: Dan-o on August 03, 2016, 10:36:57 PM
My guess is also that the pack will return for veal before too long.
Post by: buglebrush on August 03, 2016, 10:59:52 PM
:bash:The goal is to get the pack to stop eating livestock, and redirect them to eating what they should be feeding on: elk, deer, and moose.>:(
Post by: Duckslayer89 on August 03, 2016, 11:55:21 PM
:bash:The goal is to get the pack to stop eating livestock, and redirect them to eating what they should be feeding on: elk, deer, and moose.>:(
You never here anyone mention how many mountain goat and sheep they kill.
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 04, 2016, 06:15:36 AM
Post by: wolfbait on August 04, 2016, 09:26:22 AM
I very much doubt any more than 3-4 are killed.... It's not Washington Department of Fraud and Wolves for no reason :bash:
Next comes WDFW's partners the fake environmental group, consisting of lawyers that rake in millions propagandizing the poor wolves, leading those who will never have to deal with wolf impacts to protest WDFW fake efforts at removing wolves. And the joke continues………
Well, it only took them a month. I wouldn't want to be making my living raising cattle over there. :bash:
Post by: jackelope on August 04, 2016, 11:28:53 AM
I'm with Dreamingbig. Why not let the hunters(the ones that generate the revenue for the wildlife) take the opportunity to take a wolf and assist with the issue. Sounds like a great way to help with the problem and give someone a chance to take a wolf. The pack is not huge, so it wouldn't take long to take care of the problem.
I imagine it's a success rate thing. Relative to a gunner in a helicopter, regular hunters' success rate is probably very low.
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 04, 2016, 11:33:46 AM
Having the collar frequencies would make anybody's success go up quite a bit.I'm with Dreamingbig. Why not let the hunters(the ones that generate the revenue for the wildlife) take the opportunity to take a wolf and assist with the issue. Sounds like a great way to help with the problem and give someone a chance to take a wolf. The pack is not huge, so it wouldn't take long to take care of the problem.
I imagine it's a success rate thing. Relative to a gunner in a helicopter, regular hunters' success rate is probably very low.
Post by: JLS on August 04, 2016, 11:38:04 AM
I'm with Dreamingbig. Why not let the hunters(the ones that generate the revenue for the wildlife) take the opportunity to take a wolf and assist with the issue. Sounds like a great way to help with the problem and give someone a chance to take a wolf. The pack is not huge, so it wouldn't take long to take care of the problem.
I imagine it's a success rate thing. Relative to a gunner in a helicopter, regular hunters' success rate is probably very low.
Hopefully, lessons were learned and there is no screwing around. Put a helicopter up and be done with it in one or two days instead of spending weeks trying to shoot them from the ground.
Post by: Bob33 on August 04, 2016, 11:45:37 AM
I suspect that using licensed helicopter shooters rather than public hunters is a case of avoiding endless legal challenges from every animal rights group under the sun, which delays removal and compounds the damage.I'm with Dreamingbig. Why not let the hunters(the ones that generate the revenue for the wildlife) take the opportunity to take a wolf and assist with the issue. Sounds like a great way to help with the problem and give someone a chance to take a wolf. The pack is not huge, so it wouldn't take long to take care of the problem.
I imagine it's a success rate thing. Relative to a gunner in a helicopter, regular hunters' success rate is probably very low.
Hopefully, lessons were learned and there is no screwing around. Put a helicopter up and be done with it in one or two days instead of spending weeks trying to shoot them from the ground.
Post by: jackelope on August 04, 2016, 11:46:16 AM
Having the collar frequencies would make anybody's success go up quite a bit.I'm with Dreamingbig. Why not let the hunters(the ones that generate the revenue for the wildlife) take the opportunity to take a wolf and assist with the issue. Sounds like a great way to help with the problem and give someone a chance to take a wolf. The pack is not huge, so it wouldn't take long to take care of the problem.
I imagine it's a success rate thing. Relative to a gunner in a helicopter, regular hunters' success rate is probably very low.
Agree. But with that said, they're likely not going to be giving out the radio frequencies to hunters.
Post by: dreamingbig on August 04, 2016, 01:32:43 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on August 04, 2016, 02:12:59 PM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,198189.0.html
Other states have learned the hard way that you generally must take out the whole pack, we'll see what happens. If they leave any, I hope and assume it will include leaving the collared wolves!
What has also been learned and it's proving true in WA, wolf packs that are near livestock will eventually depredate, that has been said from the beginning before USFWS illegally planted wolves in the lower 48 using Pittman Robertson funds they stole.
Yes, I know we are stuck with wolves now, but that still doesn't change the fact that money was stolen from PR and the past person in charge of USFWS now is running one of the leading wolf groups. What a coincidence!
Post by: vandeman17 on August 05, 2016, 06:49:28 AM
http://kpq.com/6032-2/
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 05, 2016, 06:56:34 AM
http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/wedge-wolf-operation-cost-over-75000-repeat-of-pack-elimination-unlikely-report/
Post by: birddogdad on August 05, 2016, 07:20:58 AM
Post by: wolfbait on August 05, 2016, 07:30:10 AM
This is the same pack we were talking about in this topic, the wolves made unconfirmed kills too, finally a fourth confirmed kill!
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,198189.0.html
Other states have learned the hard way that you generally must take out the whole pack, we'll see what happens. If they leave any, I hope and assume it will include leaving the collared wolves!
What has also been learned and it's proving true in WA, wolf packs that are near livestock will eventually depredate, that has been said from the beginning before USFWS illegally planted wolves in the lower 48 using Pittman Robertson funds they stole.
Yes, I know we are stuck with wolves now, but that still doesn't change the fact that money was stolen from PR and the past person in charge of USFWS now is running one of the leading wolf groups. What a coincidence!
"finally a fourth confirmed kill!"
How many kills were not confirmed? :bash:
The USFWS discover years ago that the only way to stop a pack from killing livestock wants they had started, was to take out the entire pack right down to the pups.
Post by: bearpaw on August 05, 2016, 07:31:05 AM
Post by: wolfbait on August 05, 2016, 07:32:25 AM
http://tomremington.com/2015/05/29/wolves-and-livestock-the-never-ending-battle/
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 05, 2016, 08:17:16 PM
Check out the picture in this article. :bash:
http://kpq.com/6032-2/
Wolf huh? Everyone knows that's a bobcat. :chuckle:
Post by: Mudman on August 05, 2016, 09:07:54 PM
Post by: rudysts on August 06, 2016, 04:58:57 AM
Post by: KFhunter on August 06, 2016, 06:12:38 PM
Why not trap them all and turn them loose on Tiger Summit.
Plenty of Wolves up there already, why not trap them all and turn them loose on the west side?
Post by: bearpaw on August 06, 2016, 07:40:29 PM
Why not trap them all and turn them loose on Tiger Summit.
Plenty of Wolves up there already, why not trap them all and turn them loose on the west side?
You thought he meant near Ione, you are correct, there are already plenty of wolves there, I think he meant the Tiger Summit on the westside on Hwy 18... :tup:
Post by: KFhunter on August 06, 2016, 11:14:18 PM
Why not trap them all and turn them loose on Tiger Summit.
Plenty of Wolves up there already, why not trap them all and turn them loose on the west side?
You thought he meant near Ione, you are correct, there are already plenty of wolves there, I think he meant the Tiger Summit on the westside on Hwy 18... :tup:
:chuckle:
I guess we're on the same page then :tup:
@rudysts
Post by: jackelope on August 07, 2016, 12:22:15 AM
Why not trap them all and turn them loose on Tiger Summit.
Plenty of Wolves up there already, why not trap them all and turn them loose on the west side?
You thought he meant near Ione, you are correct, there are already plenty of wolves there, I think he meant the Tiger Summit on the westside on Hwy 18... :tup:
:chuckle:
I guess we're on the same page then :tup:
@rudysts
Not too far from the North Bend roadkill wolf from last year.
Post by: Bango skank on August 07, 2016, 12:25:06 AM
Post by: Mudman on August 07, 2016, 09:47:32 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 07, 2016, 09:55:10 AM
Hey with the new road kill law does that mean we can keep em if we accidentally run em over as they eat the bait um I mean roadkill deer!
Perhaps if you intend on eating them. Let me know how that works for you.
Post by: Mudman on August 07, 2016, 10:05:44 AM
Post by: PolarBear on August 07, 2016, 10:27:14 AM
:yeah:I'm with Dreamingbig. Why not let the hunters(the ones that generate the revenue for the wildlife) take the opportunity to take a wolf and assist with the issue. Sounds like a great way to help with the problem and give someone a chance to take a wolf. The pack is not huge, so it wouldn't take long to take care of the problem.
I imagine it's a success rate thing. Relative to a gunner in a helicopter, regular hunters' success rate is probably very low.
Wolves are a lot tougher to hunt than most think. My wife's familiy in Idaho can vouch for that. They have been hunting wolves since it was legal, all make their living in the woods and are top knotched hunters. They usually have to trap them to fill their tags. Over the counter tags to take care of a problem pack would not work. They need to kill that pack NOW and not wait for some weekend warrior to stumble across them.
Post by: Dan-o on August 07, 2016, 12:42:32 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 07, 2016, 01:54:31 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on August 07, 2016, 02:28:01 PM
Why not trap them all and turn them loose on Tiger Summit.
Plenty of Wolves up there already, why not trap them all and turn them loose on the west side?
You thought he meant near Ione, you are correct, there are already plenty of wolves there, I think he meant the Tiger Summit on the westside on Hwy 18... :tup:
We could start with some in Oly and Seattle. Downtown.
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 14, 2016, 05:56:24 PM
http://www.krem.com/news/local/ferry-county/state-wildlife-staff-kill-2-wolves-in-ferry-co/296198734
REPUBLIC, Wash. (AP) - State helicopter gunners have shot and killed two adult female wolves in northeastern Washington and efforts to remove wolves are continuing.
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife said in an email Thursday that staff killed the predators, including this year's breeding female, on Aug. 5. Operations continue but the agency is not releasing details as a safety precaution.
Department Director Jim Unsworth on Aug. 3 authorized the removal of some members of the Profanity Peak pack that roam Ferry County after staff confirmed several livestock attacks by the wolves this year.
This is the third time the state has killed wolves since they began recolonizing Washington a decade ago. Wolves are making a comeback but remain an endangered species under state law.
The state's wolf management plan allows the removal of wolves under certain conditions as the state tries to balance wolf recovery with potential conflicts with people, livestock and wildlife.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on August 14, 2016, 07:10:10 PM
Post by: dreamunelk on August 14, 2016, 07:34:04 PM
Just a Question, So when WDFW shoots a wolf from a helicopter, what happens with the wolf? Do they just leave it were its shot, or does a ground person hike in and recover it?
It is recovered.
Post by: Ridgeratt on August 14, 2016, 07:59:03 PM
Just a Question, So when WDFW shoots a wolf from a helicopter, what happens with the wolf? Do they just leave it were its shot, or does a ground person hike in and recover it?
When the worked over the Wedge Pack WDFW were on 2 foot center's and the amount of ATV tracks was huge. I would venture to guess if you stumbled onto them they would request you relocate. It's seems it's a weekday event.
Post by: villageidiot on August 17, 2016, 08:41:26 PM
Post by: wolfbait on August 17, 2016, 09:05:17 PM
I'm actually amazed there is a rancher left in the state that is willing to work with WDFW and sacrifice many of his cattle knowing they would only confirm a small percentage just to prove this wolf cohabitation doesn't work. Any rancher I've talked to uses the old fashioned method and WDFW is clueless as to what's going on. Last summer the sheep rancher lost around 300 sheep and they only confirmed about 30 wolf kills. WDFW killed one wolf. This guy was on the wolf advisory committee and threw up his hands in disgust and quit. He tried to work with WDFW and about went bankrupt. The writing on the wall is not attractive to ranchers one bit.
Probably wasn't their choice either. Grapevine has it that most rancher prefer wolf recipes, no pulling the trigger, wolf just crawls in a hole and heads for the happy slaughtering grounds.
At any point when wolves aren't creating the damage they were brought in to do, more wolves are released.